Richard Stallman character assassination

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  1. bodefuceta
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    Yeah, it's finally happening. If you don't know who RMS is, here's an excerpt from wikipedia.

    RMS is a severely autistic man who vastly improved the world we live in. In fact I wrote this text inside GNU Emacs, on a GPL licensed OS, compiled with GCC, all his creations.

    Here's an article on the incident.

    Stallman is known for being particularly picky about word definitions. You can find many of such instances on his personal website. In this case, he talks on the definitions of sexual assault and rape, whilst defending his deceased colleague Marvin Minsky, accused of such in association with Jeffrey Epstein. In my opinion, he is absolutely correct on the broadness of the term "sexual assault" not being in helpful at all. It's being used without evidence that Minsky acted against the consent of any person. On his assessment of statutory rape, I think he's correct but very wrong in legalese, because some places are stupid enough to have an age of consent above 15 or so.

    Stallman is a fan of Bernie Sanders, and deep into leftist/SJW narrative, as nearly 100% of his new attackers. But he prefers using his own very precise words, his projects use his own code of conduct (far better than the infamous contributor covenant), made a couple of jokes that weren't appretiated, and is a straight white male. That's enough for this to happen, apparently. Some people like this are pressuring FSF's director board for RMS's removal.

    If he does get kicked and desecrated, at least we'll always be able to use his software, thanks to the freedom provided by licenses he created. As an asperger I used to get shunned in school, but this is way worse, it's hard to recover from. This world is harsh for those on the autism spectrum, and this anti white male crazyness make it much more unfair. I have to hide most of my ideas or surely something similar happens, this madness is hitting the third world even harder.
     
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    Aaaand.. it's succesful. He already resigned from MIT and FSF.

    Remember kids, what you write now may make you lose your job 16 years later. Even if it's reasonable. Beware of surveillance too, you might not even need to publish something to have it leak. Especially now one of the most influential anti-surveillance people is basically forcibly retired.
     
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    Let's see...unless I'm mistaken, this is how the situation happened chronologically (note: please correct if I'm wrong on the facts)

    1. a late MIT alumni, Marvin Minsky, had sex with a seventeen-year old (Virginia Giuffre) at an Epstein party
    2. Epstein also funded parts of MIT, including Joi Ito's lab
    3. the sex scandal breaks out, especially after Epstein's suicide
    4. Ito covers up the origin of the funds, but keeps them
    5. this is discovered (also the first part, I assume). A discussion breaks out over this whole situation. Ito quits in the turmoil.
    6. in the discussion, RMS is one of the opinion that Vigrinia isn't automatically a victim because of her age.
    7. this thread is made public, censoring all names but of RMS
    8. RMS quits MIT and FSF


    I'll be honest: I hope I'm missing something important, here. Because...well...okay, sure: America has long since lost it claim to "land of the free". But since my childhood, I sort of positioned you guys somewhere in the "average" category.

    But if this whole situation is genuine, then it's getting awfully close to becoming a thought-controlled state. I mean...firing people for saying that 17-year olds might potentially CONSENT to sexual encounters? That's just nuts. :wacko:


    (oh, and for the record: yes, I've heard of Stallman. He's a fucking living legend in the open source community)
     
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    I don't like RMS, I think in 2019 the whole RMS thing is keeping back innovation. But even then, this is like a bad joke. At least, he resigned with dignity. Even tough, this should not be happening in the 21th century.
     
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    That's the gist of it, I should mention there's a couple more things Stallman said that are triggering people.
    1 - He argued against using the term "sexual assault", both in Minsky's case and in general. Because it is too broad to be actually meaningful of what happened.
    2 - He used the term "harem". To refer to Epstein's girls, which is probably accurate.
    3 - He wrote in 2003 something along the lines that most laws should not exist. And went on to explain basically what I consider the libertarian non-violence principle in regards to sexual laws. He changed his opinion on this since. Chelsea Clinton's newspaper headline was like "Stallman thinks pedophilia should be totally legal!!" or something like that.

    It seems people were rather discontent with Stallman at MIT. There's been hysteria going around since one of the female students published a blog on Stallman being some sort of enemy to modern feminist society. A woman can say "he figuratively raped me!" in most western universities and whoever she accused would be shunned forever, something like that has happened in the brazilian university I did my doctorate in, it's the result of irrational glorification of women that surely is not exclusive to america. Honestly, I'd understand Stallman leaving there because who wants to work with such people, and his position was something honorary anyway.

    But the FSF? That's basically rms' child. I know john sullivan is very competent, but he's no rms. He doesn't have the sheer presence to inspire people toward free software in a keynote or interview. He hasn't been the de-facto representative of free software for decades. And rms is gone because of some Twitter crusade? Heck, I doubt rms even touches twitter with it's proprietary services. This makes me want to contribute to GNU. Maybe I'll switch from NixOS to Guix and see where I can help from there.

    Also, rms is not an open source legend, he dislikes open source. What you meant to say is free software.
     
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    There's also the fact that the sum of the past 10 years of Stallmans contributions to FOSS have been "whine about GNU/Linux*" and "abuse position as leader of the FSF**" (and submitting occassional PRs to emacs).

    There's also the fact that if I bring up FOSS to any friends who are "vaguely" into tech or are into technology but just never interacted much with FOSS, the usual response is to the extent "isn't that the thing with the guy who eats gunk from between his toes". Not... a good look.

    Like, this is aside from his entire issue with defending a potential pedophile because said pedophile was his friend/boss.*** It's true that Vice miscited Stallman, but in spite of that, you can't deny that Stallman was at best engaging in behavior that he should have known would stir up trouble (and don't give me the "he's autistic, that makes it okay" crap, I know several autists and it's just flat out offensive to autists to say Stallman can be excused because he has autism) and at worst could be interpreted as "Stallman is a pedophile" (note; dont think he is one, don't say that I said he is one, because that's not what I think. I just think that this sheltered epitome of a neckbeard has finally realised that the real world tends to respond with consequences if you behave like an asswipe.)

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    *Amongst other meaningless bullshit that essentially boils down to "boohoo, I don't like terminology x".

    **I'll just cite two major parts of this that jump to mind
    1. He abused his position as leader to force keeping in a dated americanocentric pro-choice joke/reference in the documentation for the abort() function that was barely funny to begin with after the maintainers of glibc voted to remove it.
    2. The consistent tedency for GNU Foundation projects to refuse any form of contribution that increases compatability with existing software, which is a major issue when it comes to promoting FOSS (the "its not compatible with anything else" problem -> your tools might be the best in the world, but if nobody is compatible with them, what good does it do) to the layman can be traced back from the early "spite" hacker culture from the 90s, aka the one Stallman came from and he's most often found as the one propagating it. The problem is... the world has moved on from this "spite" hacker culture and Stallman still wants to live in the 90s. Modern day software development is much more founded on "working together until we reach an agreement", and Stallmans behavior in general is an antithesis to that. Which y'know, if Stallman wants to keep living in the 90s, that's on him, he does what he wants to do. But in this situation, his behavior is actively impacting the capability of Free Software to grow****.

    ***Stallman has lived at the MIT CSAIL for the past several decades because Minsky sponsored his continued state of being there. There is definetly a conflict of interest going on here, irregardless of Stallmans past comments.

    ****It's important to understand that Stallmans vision of "Free Software" is closer to a "not invented here" vision than a "we'll slowly migrate them all over" vision. I shouldn't have to explain that a "not invented here" vision is never gonna work.

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    Stallman only changed his opinion on September 14th, the original accusations were published on September 12th.

    He might have changed his views, but it doesn't excuse his behavior in this situation.
     
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    This is some creepy Orwellian argument. As if it's just fine to exercise all your freedoms, or even have all freedom in the world - just to perceive some totalitarian authority regards you as unfree from consequence, removing the need to regulate what's actually permitted, towards punishing you for whatever they don't appreciate. "No freedom from consequence" is another way to say "we'll punish you for whatever reason we want".

    Used, not abused. While the joke is not funny, there's a good reason why he can do this. Not all free software projects benefit from having majority based decisions, GNU is one of them and i think python is another you can read more on.

    Honestly this is a topic for a very long discussion. I could write about how Microsoft's EEE hasn't engulfed GNU-or-Linux precisely for this reason. There are very deep thought processes on compatibility and licensing of GNU and many other free software that seem hard for the layman to understand but in the end are better decisions for the project. Like, including exFat support in the Linux kernel would be catastrophic (not really because many would just fork it out), but the majority of people would think it's a good idea and commend Microsoft for suggesting this kind of bullshit. I could talk about specific projects if you want.

    Unless you can find him repeating that opinion recently, September 14th is only when he mentioned the change.
     
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    Someone in a few years and the ability to go up against some flavour of establishment orthodoxy is going to be able to have an academic dream time at some point in the future.
     
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    I wonder who.
     
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    What you're describing is a state. The issue with your argument is that neither MIT nor the FSF are considered states.

    They're respectively: a private research university and a political lobbying group. Both of which are capable of making independent decisions on who gets to work for them and consequentially who gets to represent them. Keep in mind that MIT and the FSF both decided on their own merits that Stallman was no longer someone they wished to represent their respective groups. They could just as easily have decided to ignore the complainers and just carry on, business per usual.

    But they didn't, which means that those who work for these organizations must've looked at Stallmans comments (and knowing them, they probably also accounted for Stallmans general behavior over the past decade, which really boils down to "grandpa yells at cloud" since this isn't his first public gaffe) and decided that they didn't like those comments, so they let him go.

    You're talking about the concept of BDFL here correct (for those who aren't aware: BDFL = Benevolent Dictator For Life, it's a common concept found throughout early FOSS development and is still common in small scale projects, where one person is in essence the "go-to" guy for publishing new releases and deciding what code gets merged)?

    The problem is... Stallmans isn't a BDFL for glibc. He doesn't sign off on releases for glibc, he doesn't actively participate in it's development, he's at best for the merits of a normal FOSS project a major contributor whose contributions mean that his opinion does have to be given weight, but not strictly followed. Instead, glibc follows a common style for many larger FOSS projects: There is a board of maintainers, each of whomst is distributed across smaller teams designed to handle various parts of the project. For example, those involved with building glibc for certain distributions are a part of the distribution maintainer team, but are also considered a part of the general board of maintainers. So glibc was governed by a majority/democratic decision making process.

    Python isn't one of those either anymore. Guido van Rossum stepped down back in 2018 after his BFDL status caused a nasty discussion where van Rossum wanted to push a specific feature through, which he ultimately did get, but he realized that the experience was very negative for him so he stepped down.

    For other examples as to why BDFL is considered a failure, look no further than avconv and ffmpeg, where a BFDL had a consistent bad habit of overcorrecting and often alienating new developers, which led to a very nasty forking situation, where Ubuntu 14.04 (which is an LTS version mind you so it'll be supported for a while), ships with avconv instead of ffmpeg and calls ffmpeg deprecated. Keep in mind that avconv as a program is widely considered to be inferior to ffmpeg due to internal hassles. This would have been something that could have been avoided, had the BFDL in question stepped down from his position (which he later did).

    Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is something I knew would've come up, but the thing is... EEE isn't practiced anymore.

    You're referring to a strategy Microsoft employed in the early 90s till the early 2000s that was indeed designed to kill FOSS projects. However... they got sued over that, several times in fact. As a result, they haven't been employing this strategy since 2007. They don't do this anymore.

    Your claim about exFAT support is inaccurate. Microsoft isn't implementing exFAT support. What is happening is that someone located a leak by Samsung and started working on kernel support for exFAT. The thing you're fuddling up is that there were concerns about merging this into the kernel since Microsoft didn't give a statement on if they could legally use code that was based on a leak. They gave a statement saying that whilst they would not provide the code themselves, they support and accept the agreement of merging exFAT support into the linux kernel.

    Characterizing this as EEE is a gross mischaracterization of the actual situation.

    But yes, I'll admit you're correct that the old culture was resistant against EEE, and that is for the better. The thing is... culture changes. EEE isn't a thing anymore, Microsoft realized they can't keep their head in the sand forever and pretend like FOSS doesn't exist or is evil and is now actively working on OSS projects themselves (hell, at the rate they're going currently, it won't be long before everything that isn't the NT kernel will be OSS).

    I mean, the original mailing list did have this particular quote:

    The "whether the victim was 18 or 17" being absurd to define as rape, when the subject is about statutory rape seems to suggest that Stallman up until making this statement still held the belief that voluntary pedophilia was correct, by his casual dismissal of the age of consent.
     
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    Absolutely not. I'm describing an 1984-inspired authoritative entity, which may or not apply to a state. The distinction is particularly thin in regards to the SJW community - they are a very homogeneous group whom, in power, would very likely work under the same logic as a mob.

    Or they were harassed to the point having the best leader wasn't simply worth it.

    To whoever else may be reading this, make sure you check rms' personal page and recent interviews/keynotes. Surely a man with very distinct opinions, but there's no way around calling this kind of statement anything other than malicious characters assassination. It's happening a lot on the internet, and people who only read comments like these are bound to fall for such trickery or even worse, repeat it. Ev1l0rd does not deserve an intelligent answer, but stepping down to this level would be detrimental to other readers in a public forum.

    glibc is part of the GNU project, and while the term BDFL is never used, and there are board of maintainer guidelines, it's effectively under a hierarchy which rms is/was on top. This is hardly ever a consideration, but was made very clear in the glibc manual case.

    Sure, I just mentioned it because there seems to be more historical literature on the governance model.

    This really only showed how bad ubuntu is, I already didn't use it around that time but certainly this kind of thing didn't help their case.

    Do you also believe Microsoft loves linux? Actually, do you work for Microsoft? There's all kinds of malicious things Microsoft does to this day that free software maintainers should be very wary of. Just recently I had a very bad experience with LSP on emacs and wonder if it was not intentional.

    Please, where is it inaccurate? Because I absolutely did not write Microsoft is implementing it.

    Now this is the most absurd thing I've read in a long time. Doing or feeling whatever towards a 17 year old is in no way related to pedophilia.
     
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    As someone who spends a lot of time investigating groups of various forms (and would call himself a sceptic), to designate a group as homogenous is almost universally incorrect.

    There's still miles away from 1984 over a group of activists who go against the preconceived norms and notions of our society (in fact, do you realize how easily it's possible to twist this argument and point out that sticking up for the established power and not wanting those speaking against it to come out and well... speak against it and note that you're essentially supporting the status quo which can be drawn out into the same society that 1984 was criticizing) than an authoritative entity with absolutely zero control. After all, you're free to ignore them. They won't arrest you for ignoring them, you won't be persecuted either. You can just... carry on with your life assuming what you're being called out for isn't illegal.

    It's just that carrying on kinda gives of a certain image that some people might not want to associate themselves with, so they take action.

    Only the spineless would just sit by and decide that if they're under fire, the status quo is the only good permanent solution.

    I've looked and examined RMS leaving the FSF. From what I could find, a member of the Open Source Center of the United Nations who has been a member since 2004 made a public call for issuing the procedures for Article VI, section 7 of the bylaws after revoking his own membership.

    Leaks of the FSFs internal members board indicate that the general view was "Stallmans public behavior was appalling enough and this isn't the first time and quite frankly I'm done supporting FSF as long as Stallman helms it since he's more of a hindrance to the cause", followed by many members (a number of which are longtime) withdrawing their support.

    Whilst it doesn't appear the vote itself was leaked, I assume that these arguments and resignation of FSF members have caused the section in question to be invoked, and Stallman clearly didn't get to keep his position.

    So... if you can find any "harassment" of FSF members about this situation, I'd love to hear it. They disagreed, they left the FSF, they stated their reasons why in an internal thread and asked the directors to invoke Article VI, section 7 in public (which is probably the best way to go about this, considering the fact that it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that they tried private discussion first). He clearly wasn't the only person with similar feelings on the matter and as a result, the directors called it to a vote.

    Boom, badaboom.

    When... did I assasinate his character? I claimed that Stallman holds many opinions that most human beings would agree are considered weird. Grandpa yells at cloud usually is a suggestion that someone lives in an age where their behavior doesn't really match that age anymore. Stallman still wants to live in the early days of the 90s internet and his continued insistence on doing so is definetly a grandpa yells at cloud situation since he looks like a fool for doing so.

    But sure, I'll be fair: https://stallman.org/ here's stallmans personal page.

    And to be even more fair, I'll also include Stallmans page on how he computers: https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html and his views on Facebook: https://stallman.org/facebook.html . Of note in the first page is that Stallmans choice can at best be described as archaic and it locks him out of a lot of places on the internet, with him taking the "if I can't see it, I won't bother trying to see it" approach (which is how he probably never responded to a lot of criticism leveled his way in the past, because he's typically on mailing lists that agree with his viewpoint or on conventions where part of his rider rules are "dont bugger me about non FOSS stuff" and he tends to throw tantrums when he is confronted with non-FOSS stuff).

    The second page has a lot of useful criticisms against Facebook, but of note is the consistent petty name-calling he does to users of Facebook in question (calling them useds), which means I'll never be able to really use the page in an argument unless I'm trying to piss off the other person (which you shouldn't do, it's not a nice thing). And that peculiar bit can be found more or less across his site. Stallman behaves a lot like some teenagers do when they learn about FOSS: They get incredibly obnoxious about it, consistently deride non-FOSS software, even if its for valid reasons and tend to go Lalalala cant hear you when confronted with someone who just chooses to not go FOSS (or keep bombarding them with arguments) and also engage in the same petty name calling.

    Most teenagers however go through this phase (hell, I did myself), but Stallman just seems to, presumably as a part of his origins in the early hacker culture want to cling on this concept and keep doing it, even as people tell him that it's not helping his case.

    As for "I don't deserve an intelligent answer",

    I deserve the same right to get an intelligent answer as the fact that I can expect to give an intelligent answer when countered.

    As a matter of fact, you so far haven't really relied much on "rational arguments and logic", but mainly on appeals to emotion and accusations of an SJW conspiracy.

    Whilst it's technically true that RMS could posit himself above the rest, and he did so in the manual case, the official maintainer guidelines do not make mention of the fact that RMS could posit himself above them. The fact that he did swing his metaphorical dick around to get his way is not something that reflects positively on Stallman in the slightest after essentially universal maintainer consensus agreed that the joke should have been removed (with some iirc even expressing confusion on it being there in the first place).

    Also, may I quickly point out that the joke is left leaning and if I go under the assumption you're accusing me of being an SJW (not a weird liberty based on the "I'm trying to character assassinate RMS here" ramble about how I don't deserve intelligent responses), wouldn't the removal of said joke hurt my agenda? (Just to iterate -> I'm not an SJW.)

    The fault was in debian as well, which has far longer lifecycles than Ubuntu does. The ffmpeg packager for debian was on the avconv side of things, which caused the problem.

    Kindly refrain from the shill accusation. Secondly, it's a matter of fact they do. They repurposed Microsoft NT (Windows) to be a loss leader because even they realized it's not worth their income anymore to spend time on that horrid crap to try and make it profitable. Microsoft gets its money these days from it's server software. Azure Cloud in particular stands out because it's for the most part running Linux under the hood. The existence of Azure Clouds linux boxes means that Microsoft has an vested interest in keeping Linux as good as it can be.

    Hell, they even have their own official linux distro: Azure Sphere.

    LSP was designed to work for VS Codes usecase only initially. That's why you had a bad experience with it. It was a standard designed for one editor that was later changed to work for multiple editors. Of course that means support is a bit wonky at first since other editors still need to adapt to it in a friendly way.

    Okay, you never said they're implementing it. You're however suggesting that they are responsible for it happening in the first place, and I'm stil not sure what the harm would be. Apologies for the misphrasing, point still stands.

    This is a cultural thing. Even if you live in another country where the standard is different, it's important to keep in mind that the overwhelming major consensus in the United States is that culturally, anything below 18 is considered pedophilia, particularly if the other person in the act is in his 70s.

    In spite of that if the cultural argument here doesn't convince you, the fact that Minsky was accused of having a sexual encounter with a 17 year old at an age where he was significantly older than 17 (keep in mind that the fact that the Virgin Islands, where this occured has a hard law of "anything below 18 is pedophilia and statutory rape") would at least by sensible people be seen as creepy.

    If we were to look at the law, the case would be open and shut since the law is purely concerned with the age of 18 and none of the potential exceptions (which at most means a 5 year difference for horny teenagers) would apply to Minsky.
     
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    Obviously this discussion became too broad and your attention span isn't keeping up. If you'd read again what you said and compare with the arguments I'm making, it should be clear you're not really attempting to counter them anymore. A detailed reply would be a waste of my time. If there's any point in specific you want to talk about, let me know.

    Also, remember GPLvX or later, folks. Some of rms' most prominent detractors actually work for intel and etc, things may get ugly. The "or later" is the worst thing rms ever done, it's abhorrent and I actually called for his resignation over this, but the way he left only makes it worse.
     
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    Pretty sure I did provide proper rebuttals for each of your arguments. This is just posturing.

    I agree, the "or later" part sucks in the GPL and it's the one thing I remove whenever I use GPL (and don't forget to do it). Although that's not because Stallmans "detractors" will try to neuter the FSF, but because at least up until recently, Stallmans technological hermit behavior meant I couldn't be assured that he wouldn't cock up the license in a newer version.
     
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    I see you're only 19 years old. I saw the birth of free software myself, and to me it's clear that the very opposite is true, it's a perception that came from experience. I understand you think this way but make sure you listen closely to the elders. Not me, I'm just some random person on the internet. But the actual people with vast experience. RMS and others had balls of steel and that's what it took for GNU/Linux to even be usable. The people who just randomly attack others on twitter and never produce useful stuff aren't humanity's best friends, even if they cater to your young person or queer or whatever's feelings.
     
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    The "or later" clause is a tool to limit the damage that strong copyleft licenses inevitably do as far as fragmentation by license incompatibility is concerned.
     
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    Fragmentation is far better than a potentially pozzed license.
     
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    Now that link is interesting, because he clearly studiously updates his old posts (going back to 2003 on that link,) even many many years later (up to 2018.) You say he changed his opinion ever since, but hm, he did not feel the need to update that statement. Well GEE, why not? Can you prove he changed his opinion since? Because that lack of correction suggests otherwise ROFLMAO
     
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    Sir, may you do the needful and write like a human being? It's rms who said he changed his opinion. Unless YOU can prove otherwise this is a ridiculous accusation.
     
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    Well I DID offer proof, the proof is he meticulously updates posts from FIFTEEN YEARS BACK, yet he doesn't update THAT? I'm wondering if you could please link me to him changing his mind on that ROFLMAO
     
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