Hacking Piracy or Homebrew

[KingVamp]

It hurts the people who bought the games. The games will then be worth less (on Ebay, etc), and game buyers may then even stop buying games as it is no longer a good investment.

Then people would invest in emulators devices. Plus emulators doesn't mean people wouldn't buy old games because of it.
And it doesn't mean all the old game can be found.

Emulators are fine.

 

[machomuu]

It hurts the people who bought the games. The games will then be worth less (on Ebay, etc), and game buyers may then even stop buying games as it is no longer a good investment.

Then people would invest in emulators devices. Plus emulators doesn't mean people wouldn't buy old games because of it.
And it doesn't mean all the old game can be found.

Emulators are fine.

Yes, but there are people who like having the original product. For instance, I love playing Pokemon Snap or The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time on my N64. It's about the experience, feel, and nostalgia. Of course there are those who don't care, too.

 

[WiiUBricker]

Okay, say I do list one. How exactly does Homebrew = Piracy? That's like saying Homebrew = System Memory, they coexist, but one does not lead to the other or vice versa. Heck, they have almost nothing to do with each other other than the indirect relationship between them, as the memory does not attribute to the Homebrew, but the system the homebrew is run on, and piracy doesn't even have that.

As long as a system has homebrew, people will use homebrew to build warez launchers, emulators and flash carts.

 

[machomuu]

Okay, say I do list one. How exactly does Homebrew = Piracy? That's like saying Homebrew = System Memory, they coexist, but one does not lead to the other or vice versa. Heck, they have almost nothing to do with each other other than the indirect relationship between them, as the memory does not attribute to the Homebrew, but the system the homebrew is run on, and piracy doesn't even have that.

As long as a system has homebrew, people will use homebrew to build warez launchers, emulators and flash carts.

How would one make a flash cart out of homebrew?

 

[KingVamp]

It hurts the people who bought the games. The games will then be worth less (on Ebay, etc), and game buyers may then even stop buying games as it is no longer a good investment.

Then people would invest in emulators devices. Plus emulators doesn't mean people wouldn't buy old games because of it.
And it doesn't mean all the old game can be found.

Emulators are fine.

Yes, but there are people who like having the original product. For instance, I love playing Pokemon Snap or The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time on my N64. It's about the experience, feel, and nostalgia. Of course there are those who don't care, too.

I stated that...

If they want the original then emulators wouldn't do a thing.


WiiBricker pandora is valid.

 

[machomuu]

It hurts the people who bought the games. The games will then be worth less (on Ebay, etc), and game buyers may then even stop buying games as it is no longer a good investment.

Then people would invest in emulators devices. Plus emulators doesn't mean people wouldn't buy old games because of it.
And it doesn't mean all the old game can be found.

Emulators are fine.

Yes, but there are people who like having the original product. For instance, I love playing Pokemon Snap or The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time on my N64. It's about the experience, feel, and nostalgia. Of course there are those who don't care, too.

I stated that...

If they want the original then emulators wouldn't do a thing.


WiiBricker pandora is valid.

Oh, sorry

 

[WiiUBricker]

Okay, say I do list one. How exactly does Homebrew = Piracy? That's like saying Homebrew = System Memory, they coexist, but one does not lead to the other or vice versa. Heck, they have almost nothing to do with each other other than the indirect relationship between them, as the memory does not attribute to the Homebrew, but the system the homebrew is run on, and piracy doesn't even have that.

As long as a system has homebrew, people will use homebrew to build warez launchers, emulators and flash carts.

How would one make a flash cart out of homebrew?

Homebrew means unlicensed software running on a device. In order to let a device accept a flash cart, you have to build stuff that runs on this device. A flash cart without software doent work.

 

[Schizoanalysis]

Yes, but there are people who like having the original product. For instance, I love playing Pokemon Snap or The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time on my N64. It's about the experience, feel, and nostalgia. Of course there are those who don't care, too.

And they will be the ones buying current gen games too.
But others pirate to avoid paying.

Piracy hurts current gen game sales.
Pirace hurts old gen game sales.

Why discriminate between one and the other?

Like one is bad and the other is good?
It is bad to pirate current gen games, but good to pirate old gen games?

 

[machomuu]

Okay, say I do list one. How exactly does Homebrew = Piracy? That's like saying Homebrew = System Memory, they coexist, but one does not lead to the other or vice versa. Heck, they have almost nothing to do with each other other than the indirect relationship between them, as the memory does not attribute to the Homebrew, but the system the homebrew is run on, and piracy doesn't even have that.

As long as a system has homebrew, people will use homebrew to build warez launchers, emulators and flash carts.

How would one make a flash cart out of homebrew?

Homebrew means unlicensed software running on a device. In order to let a device accept a flash cart, you have to build stuff that runs on this device. A flash cart without software doent work.

Where did you find that definition?

 

[JoyConG]

To be honest; I use my iPhone 4 as my go to thing for media; so I've little use for homebrew on the 3DS.

So.. back-ups is a slightly cleaner term

 

[KingVamp]

And they will be the ones buying current gen games too.
But others pirate to avoid paying.

Piracy hurts current gen game sales.
Pirace hurts old gen game sales.

Why discriminate between one and the other?

Like one is bad and the other is good?
It is bad to pirate current gen games, but good to pirate old gen games?

Like I said it isn't set in stone that a game can be bought somewhere else.

Unlike people selling/trading it to each other a business is the one getting hurt, jobs can be affected.

People selling/trading, the games aren't their job. They just keep trying until someone buys.
There is no lost risk.

This is all if a pirate was actually getting a game and really want it. Decides not to buy it and only pirate.

 

[mysticwaterfall]

So, by your logic, playing DS games on the 3DS is not piracy? But homebrew? The DS is a system older than the 3DS.

Crazy logic.

Playing copyright protected games = piracy

Discriminating between one platform and another is somewhat ridiculous in this context.

Games that are no longer supported or doesn't hurt the company.

It hurts the people who bought the games. The games will then be worth less (on Ebay, etc), and game buyers may then even stop buying games as it is no longer a good investment.

In no way those emulation hurt the people who bought the original games... people who still like to play the original games on the original systems will still buy them. Now for me, I have a load of original systems/games going back to the Atari 2600. But I use the emulators on the Wii. Why? Because I don't need to hook 10 things up to the TV and it's just all there in one convenient place. With the classic controller having the same button layout as the SNES controller, it's perfect for me. I just have the Wii and N64 hooked up.

As for the DS side of things, I'm amused by playing emus on the road occasionally, what can I say. If the 3DS was never able to play "backups" (which, we all know will happen eventually) and only was able to play emus we don't already have on the DS (or better ones, like say a super nes emulator thats like the wii one), that would be just fine with me.

 

[KazoWAR]

Piracy of older systems is allowed under the homebrew option, just not actual piracy of 3DS games.

So, by your logic, playing DS games on the 3DS is not piracy? But homebrew? The DS is a system older than the 3DS.

Crazy logic.

Playing copyright protected games = piracy

Discriminating between one platform and another is somewhat ridiculous in this context.

You are taking this too far, it was a simple question.

Would you rather pirate 3DS games, or run unsigned code on the 3DS without any way to run 3DS backups at all?

I know that logically if there was a way to run unsigned code on the 3DS with all hardware and features fully unlocked, then running backups would be possible. It was just a hypothetical question. Also when I said piracy of older systems was allowed, I was just saying that emulators where an option under the 3DS homebrew. My question was about piracy of 3DS games, since you can already pirate DS games and any emulator that there is for the DS on the 3DS.

 

[Schizoanalysis]

I was simply arguing that your decision to classify the playing of older games (DS, GBA, etc) as homebrew rather than piracy is arbitrary and legally incorrect.

 

[Pippin666]

After reading everything I feel everyone have their point of view. Things are offtopic right now btw.

But in the end, both eventually lead to the other one. It's just a matter of who hack the system first, and for what purpose. It's like the egg and chicken story, wich came first? Some people think it needs a chicken to lay an egg, some other think it needs an egg to hatch a chicken.

Pip'

 

[stinkoman]

Homebrew. You can always buy games, but if there's no opportunity for homebrew we never get to see what people will make.
EDIT: Nice post count, Pip.

 

[KingVamp]

We are saying just because they coexist doesn't mean they lead to each other.
If one used a device in homebrew doesn't mean that person will used it for piracy.

If I have a chicken, it can lay eggs or I can cook it.

So it automatic if I eat a chicken it leads to eggs

or if I used it to lay eggs it leads to eating the chicken?

Both possibilities coexist with the chicken.

 

[Nollog]

Figured piracy > homebrew.
ain't need no 'splainin', most homebrew's ugly an' bugged.

 

[stinkoman]

We are saying just because they coexist doesn't mean they lead to each other.
If one used a device in homebrew doesn't mean that person will used it for piracy.

If I have a chicken, it can lay eggs or I can cook it.

So it automatic if I eat a chicken it leads to eggs

or if I used it to lay eggs it leads to eating the chicken?

Both possibilities coexist with the chicken.

That is a fantastic metaphor, although I'm somewhat confused.

 

[1776WillCommenceAgain]

Depends... if it's a system like the DS or PSP I'd choose piracy for sure only because the potential for homebrew is pretty limited due to the hardware, especially on the DS. But if the system is osmehting like say, The Open Pandora, The 3DS (Maybe, maybe not) or the NGP then I'd definitely choose homebrew over piracy....