PETA's at it again...

[Foxi4]

Haha, ever heard of tar and feathering. That was technically an act of terroism. Which the Patriots committed.

That's corporal punishment, not terrorism you silly you. Terrorism is for example turning up on a metro station and opening fire at civilians for a political premise or just because you don't like them while at the same time demanding a certain object or action to be performed for you.

Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion. In the international community, however, terrorism has no universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition.[1][2] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal, and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). ~Wiki

EDIT: That video is A+, I needed that comedy injection.

 

[smile72]

I would put tar and feathering into the torture category.

 

[Gahars]

Haha, ever heard of tar and feathering. That was technically an act of terroism. Which the Patriots committed.

First of all, Foxi took the words out of my mouth.

Even if this was the case, they are so far removed it isn't even funny. It would be like comparing the tragedy of the holocaust (deliberate execution of human beings) to the processing of animals for meaOH WAIT, that's exactly what PETA has done.

I guess misplaced values runs in the movement.

 

[Foxi4]

I would put tar and feathering into the torture category.

Torture is not terrorism. Torture is what your troops do to terrorists to get information out of them, not to look too far.

...but seriously though, those terms are not linked whatsoever.

 

[smile72]

Of course it's not. Doesn't make it right though that they do it. And I don't support the U.S. troops, couldn't care less about what happens to them. And by the way freedom fighter is just a fancy word for terrorist. Ever heard of one man's freedom fighter another man's terrorist?

 

[Giga_Gaia]

Nintendo could actually sue those guys for trying to destroy their images and they'd win easily.

There is also the game they made which is copyright infringment.

 

[Foxi4]

Of course it's not. Doesn't make it right though that they do it. And I don't support the U.S. troops, couldn't care less about what happens to them. And by the way freedom fighter is just a fancy word for terrorist. Ever heard of one man's freedom fighter another man's terrorist?

The definition of a Freedom Fighter is a person who works in an organized fashion with other people for the purpose of overthrowing an unjust government and generally targets military facilities and national offices, minimizing loss of civilian life. A terrorist on the other hand fights in an organized fashion with other people for whatever purpose by means of terror which include attacking civilians. There is a clear difference.

Libyans are Freedom Fighters, they've overthrown an unjust government. Al-Queida are terrorists - they attack Americans and Jews, among others, because they're Americans and Jews. They don't fight for anyone's well-being, they just don't like "Infidels".

Freedom fighter is another term for those engaged in a struggle to achieve political freedom for themselves or obtain freedom for others.[6] Though the literal meaning of the words could include anyone who fights for the cause of freedom, in common use it may be restricted to those who are actively involved in an armed rebellion, rather than those who campaign for freedom by peaceful means (though they may use the title in its literal sense). ~Again, Wiki

 

[Canonbeat234]

Actually, this topic just reminded me: Penn and Teller had a great episode of Bullshit! on the subject of PETA.

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Enjoy.

Thank you for the show.

Edit: You know the more I read this topic, the scarier it gets to know that our knowledge about this country; the United States of America is slipping.
Edit 2: Yes once I get tuition assistance, I'll be taking grammar classes. Happy now!?

 

[Gahars]

Of course it's not. Doesn't make it right though that they do it. And I don't support the U.S. troops, couldn't care less about what happens to them. And by the way freedom fighter is just a fancy word for terrorist. Ever heard of one man's freedom fighter another man's terrorist?

I'm sorry, this stood out to me among the rest of your dribble. There is a huge difference between not supporting your country's policies and not giving a shit about the me and women who risk their lives every single day to protect people like you, no matter how ungrateful they are.

 

[smile72]

I'm not saying al Qaeda were freedom fighters, I'm saying certain terrorist were also fighting to free their country like the IRA, and sometimes civilians are involved.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

I would put tar and feathering into the torture category.

Apparently you've never gotten tar on yourself and had to get it off. Trust me, anything more than just a little is torture.

But that's neither here nor there.

The way I've always understood the distinction between terrorists and freedom fighters
is that freedom fighters are the terrorists we like.

 

[smile72]

If they're protecting me. How does Afghanistan threaten the U.S.? Vulpes I said it was torture.

 

[Foxi4]

I really haven't exhausted all of the arguments in this dicussion smile, but due to the rule of "Being the Bigger Man" I will no longer continue this argument - it's just trivial. You use definitions you do not understand in an argument you can't win. There really isn't anything to "gain" for me here, we're not having a constructive conversation - you're just grabbing straws trying to disprove knowledge that is known as common and obvious.

Apparently you've never gotten tar on yourself and had to get it off. Trust me, anything more than just a little is torture.

Nobody says it's pleasant, I just said it is not terrorism.

If they're protecting me. How does Afghanistan threaten the U.S.?

Didn't you have a building in Manhattan? Y'know, the big one? With two towers? I forgot the name, it's been gone for a while now. Not that the attack was unprovoked, I'm just showing you where you're wrong. Delicately.

 

[smile72]

No I do understand the definitions, it's just that sadly freedom fighter can be seen as terrorist and vice versa that's the matter of life.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

Vulpes I said it was torture.

Ah crap. You're right. Mea culpa. >_

 

[Foxi4]

No I do understand the definitions, it's just that sadly freedom fighter can be seen as terrorist and vice versa that's the matter of life.

A freedom fighter may perform a terrorist act, but by proxy it is a much narrower definition. A freedom fighter is not necessarily a terrorist, a terrorist is not necessarily a freedom fighter. How is this mind-boggling? Bah, I'm too tired. Read the definitions, prep some material if you want a debate.

 

[Gahars]

If they're protecting me. How does Afghanistan threaten the U.S.? Vulpes I said it was torture.

So basically, your position is, "As long as I appear to not be threatened, the men and women who risk their lives (sometimes suffering injuries or dying) for me and the country I live in don't matter. As soon as I am immediately concerned, well, suddenly I care!"

Smooth.

 

[smile72]

Not really, they're not really protecting this country. They're fighting for this country's ideals. And not to be cold but if you choose to go to war, you'd better be prepared to die. That's a a fact of life. And really it's which country considers which organization a terrorist for example China doesn't consider Al-Qaeda terrorists.

 

[Canonbeat234]

How did an argument about PETA gets to typing about terrorist and freedom fighters?

 

[Foxi4]

Not really, they're not really protecting this country. They're fighting for this country's ideals. And not to be cold but if you choose to go to war, you'd better be prepared to die. That's a a fact of life. And really it's which country considers which organization a terrorist for example China doesn't consider Al-Qaeda terrorists.

They also eat smoked dogs - you really chose a good Ally in the debate. XD This is getting better and better, but I'll have to retract to the role of a spectator. Just a final hint:

Definition =/= Perception of a given organization by a given government (that's an example, y'see!)

ESPECIALLY when the government happens to be a crazy dictatorship that breaks human rights left and right.

How did an argument about PETA gets to about terrorist and freedom fighters?

No idea, but I'm having loads of fun. X3