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    The combination brings together NVIDIA’s leading AI computing platform with Arm’s vast ecosystem to create the premier computing company for the age of artificial intelligence, accelerating innovation while expanding into large, high-growth markets..


    Nvidia.com

    I wonder what this will do for the alleged upcoming Switch Pro ;)
     
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    Was reading some https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/14/nvida_arm_acquisition/ as well.
    They claim they will keep their current model of being rather open and licensing things around the place.

    Still not sure I approve though as the risk of it ending up in Nvidia's vaults as the years roll on increases rather highly.
     
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    I would have thought Google would give its arm and leg to have that piece of the pie of arm.
     
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    What does that mean ? I am huge fan of Nvidia. Loved it on my PC Desktop.
     
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    We don't know, which is part of the problem.

    There are various reasons for tech companies to buy other tech companies

    1) Simple investment. ARM powers much of the world and that number is only set to grow (PC is not exactly a growth market at this point) so Nvidia can either take a cut of the profits or keep it to sell on in 10 years when it is worth 400 billion.

    2) Control of the tech. See above about how much of the market ARM has on lock. If Nvidia can swoop in and say "no, do it this way" or "no AMD/intel/microsoft/apple/google you get to pay me lots of money to play here" then yeah.

    3) Patent farms. Patents are a quite broken in many ways right now. Sitting on a massive pool of them can be a protection if say Apple came knocking when Nvidia makes an android phone in a year or two they can turn around and say "do you want to go there because we will go nuclear" and then Apple is out however many years of development in ARM (all the developers, all the software, all the devs inside apple that know things... all now legacy only and needing retraining), has to switch to a new processor family (not many options there) and potentially has to source old parts from somewhere else...
    As they nominally own the tech then they also don't have to pay fees ( https://www.arm.com/why-arm/how-licensing-works , which do look like it is per device), unless their accountant reckons it is a nice tax writeoff or does not want to burden ARM if it is kept as a separate business.

    4) Tech building. ARM is quite famously a fabless tech company (that is to say they don't have any fabrication options and just sell designs, compared to something like Intel that do have factories all over the world, some of which I have visited and they are very impressive and very expensive to build) but in some cases a company might have a factory that can build stuff. It can be cheaper, almost certainly will be quicker (between building, planning, getting the machinery, environmental regs, staffing the place and whatnot it is not a quick process).
    That said ARM presumably has a lot of good people working for them, indeed it is not presumably as many hold ARM up as a great employer to work for. They don't exactly make experienced and time tested hardware designers every day (you might find one or two in schools you can train up over the next 5 or so years but it is generally an expensive and time consuming process to find good people, buying a company and getting a bunch of them then often representing a good deal to get them now).


    They have claimed they are going to keep it a separate business (can make it easier to sell when the time comes, and dodges certain regulatory issues) but at the same time how often have we seen Microsoft, Google, Apple or the like buy a promising tech company and bury them to either avoid competition or because they changed direction?
     
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    Too soon to state anything. The results of this kind of processes are reflected months or even years after they start.

    If the Switch Pro rumor is real (which I doubt), it would mean the technology to be used on it have been available months ago.
     
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    I think it was a Bloomberg article I read that stated Nintendo has been asking some developers to make sure upcoming games are 4K ready.

    It's hardly confirmation, but it could mean a hardware refresh is in the works.
     
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    Haha.. business.. business.. and business. A greedy, indeed. MONEY MONEY MONEY and MONEY. My gosh. What a world! SMH!
     
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    I am certainly not going to discount a hardware bump but I think I would sooner bet on as Nintendo is addicted to rereleaseotron as anybody else then if devs can have their games already be able to do an even quicker recompile (and these days what texture artist truly complains of too much detail?) then so much the better.
    If it was Sony or MS then that might be different but for all else that Nintendo might be they do usually chase the fads that could theoretically improve gaming (motion controls and asymmetric might have ultimately amounted to little on console but the potential is there -- see most of multiplayer PC gaming for how good asymmetric is, and any sci fi film for what motion controls might eventually become. Touchscreen might have left us with the horror that is buttonless phones but for the DS it had some wonderful applications in games).

    4k is then good for keeping texture artists employed, maybe some FPS games if your encounters are at great distance (other than a flirtation with the occasional "realistic" military shooter most things seem to be all about that close quarters), if you can ensure everybody on a RTS has it (no early warnings and all that) and maybe if you can make a spreadsheet a game or your game is a presentation (I do like the odd life sim I suppose, not sure it is a massive market but I will take it).
    ... I say after the 3ds.
     
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    I have a feeling this is revenge against apple over their driver fiasco and ultimate dropped support after 10.13 because apple is switching to arm from intel next year
     
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    nvidia phone incoming
     
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    More Nvidia powered tablets too I hope. My Xiaomi Tegra K1 powered tablet was awesome when I bought it 6 years ago and it still plays most modern games well with a custom firmware.
     
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    I think y'all missing the point. Nvidia's machine learning business has overtaken their pc gaming business in recent times. Buying ARM allows them to pair their gpus with their own processors at all levels. Till now Nvidia has had their own ARMv8 chips (Caramel etc), which were a bit behind the Snapdragons of the world in outright performance but were good enough for SBCs (jetson nano etc). By buying ARM, they can develop and pair server-class cpus with their $200k DGX A100s and not pay AMD 15 grand from it. That's 95% the angle. The other angle would be to make better SoCs for the Jetson stuff and maybe even Nintendo.
     
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    I think we'd be looking at more than a hardware refresh if they're looking to make Switch games "4K Ready." Does that mean actual 4K, or "upscale from 720/1080 to 4K?"
     
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    Is Nvidia's machine learning stuff that potent these days? I saw breakdowns for Intel, IBM and MS looking towards the future but missed Nvidia.
    Guess I have more to pay attention to.


    For others playing along



    I am sure we have all watched computers do things like become world class smash brothers players
    https://www.csail.mit.edu/research/beating-worlds-best-super-smash-bros-deep-reinforcement-learning
    and similar things for chess, go and any other numbers of things that were once incredibly complicated that you might spend decades as master programmer and player of a game to move the needle but a few percent.
    or stuff like https://www.youtube.com/user/carykh/videos if we are doing the mere mortals thing.
    Now imagine that with a budget of billions where the results might well be worth trillions. Most big tech companies, governments and anything else in between that sees what way the wind is blowing is ploughing all the money into this. The patterns you can find, the processes you can automate, the once if not impossible then technically infeasible jobs (I saw a microsoft advert where they were touting the ability to find jaguars or something for some tree hugger types, far easier that than combing through footage and potentially more accurate... apply that to surveillance of people and imagine how much governments will fork over for that, and that is probably already here -- China showcasing something like it already)
     
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    Am I the only one who thinks this part of technology is stepping over the boundary into "well, our future's fucked, why have kids or commit to building anything long term?" thought process that I try to push to the back of my mind because it leads to a very dark place oiled by anxiety and paranoia. I know, it's a movie, and fiction can only do so much without fully comprehending the complexities of how things could play out and how stuff actually works or will end up working, but still, I don't want to live in a dystopia or have the life I'm living right now intruded and trampled upon due to shit that has nothing to do with me, you know?
     
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    I figure there is a reason various people working in such departments for such companies made some pretty serious demands
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...p-450-million-u-s-army-contract-idUSKCN1QB2LV

    The future is always dark and scary. If not your parents then your grandparents probably had the same thing with the threat of nuclear war. We can probably do the rinse and repeat routine for major world events going back years and years -- going by previous conversations I imagine you experienced the 1800s/1700s religious version of that which picked up a few extras in the 1900s... it it hard to shed the mindset even if you destroyed the basis of it for yourself.

    I am sure you have also seen every news station peddling the "other guy is somehow allowed some power, shit's fucked and there is very little you can do to stop it" for many years now, and the same again for the internal schisms (and probably more about internal schisms if we go back to the religious stuff).
     
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    Well, that's the interesting part to speculate about. I'm not sure Nintendo is going to try taking on XSX or PS5 just yet, but the thought of a future console with a high powered Nvidia/ARM SoC with Ray Tracing is pretty exciting. Plus with DLSS 2.0 it wouldn't even need to be native 4K and still look just as good.
     
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    Yeah, Nvidia is the market leader by a lot. A lot of ML hardware startups are popping up but their software is nowhere as good as Nvidia's. Even those with AI-specialized HW lose out to Nvidia's HPC compute capabilities.
     
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    Not sure how I feel about this overall, but as long as they don't start becoming closed up, it all fine. I'm interested what new chips can be made with this all this tech.
     
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