Hacking New 3 TB HDD does not work

[zizer]

I have to kill time and then drink , lol

 

[dexter222]

You can't.

Just like 32-bit Vista and everything older can't read them, the Wii can't read them. It doesn't support the way that the data is stored.

32bit vista can absolutely support the 3tb seagate drives as can XP. The drive reports a 4k sector size so the MBR can handle it. Unfortunately, for the Wii, all the libs for FAT32 and NTFS are hardcoded with a 512b sector size. WBFS sector size, however, is dynamic... meaning that WBFS actually detects the sector size that the drive reports.

The Western Digital and Hitachi drives use GUID so you would be right about those: The wii simply does not support the way the data is stored. Vista/XP require special drivers/interface cards (or a newer MB that supports GUID).

 

[GH0ST]

Like many modern drives, the 3TB Caviar sprouting uses 4KB sectors internally however it emulates 512-byte sectors for compatibility reasons.

So far I use 1To/1.5To to 2To green WD disks for backups and 500 Go archiving ( forget about the 320 and the click click nonsense... leave your old maxtor... or your decade old Ibm/Seagate click of death disk

) but according to this benchmark The WD Caviar 2TB Green hard drive's average read speed was found to be 80.2MB/s with an average write speed of 79.4MB/s with the latest version of HD Tune Pro. The new WD Caviar 3TB Green hard drive had average read speed was found to be 98.5MB/s with an average write speed of 94.8MB/s. Looks like the new WD 3TB drive performs pretty well ... just a bit expensive right now ... it’s cheaper to buy two 1.5TB drives, or even two 2TB drives... but it is the first bootable 3TB drive

Drives with capacities in excess of 2.19 TB currently present barriers for PC hardware, firmware and software,” according to WD’s press release. To get around these barriers, WD is bundling its new drives with an Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI)-compliant Host Bus Adapter (HBA), which will pair legacy operating systems with a driver than can support bigger drives.

The 2.19 TB limit isn’t a problem for 64-bit versions of Windows 7 or Vista, OS X Leopard or Snow Leopard, or many versions of Linux. Really, the problem is Windows XP.

XP (whether in 32- or 64-bit) runs into problems because of its legacy BIOS and Master Boot Record (MBR) partition table, which it in turn carried over from earlier versions of Windows. These allow XP to address a maximum only 2^32 logical blocks at 512 bytes each — for an upper bound of 2.19 TB.

Any 32-bit system (even one as new as Windows 7) has trouble booting into a drive with a capacity over 2.19 TB, but they can work around that limitation for a secondary internal drive. XP can only use these large drives as external drives with special USB firmware that either presents it as a single drive using larger sector sizes or as more than one smaller drives to the host (this is how Seagate’s 3 TB external drive works) — or using an internal HBA card, which does basically the same thing.
'http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/10/wes...-bit-can-handle)

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WD ID 2754 Do hard drives greater than 2 TB work on existing operating systems?

Answer

Important: Hard drives greater than 2 TB may not work on existing operating systems.

Problem:
External USB, eSATA, Firewire, and internal hard drives over 2 TB's cannot be formatted on Windows 32-bit operating systems using the Master Boot Record (MBR) partitioning scheme. As a result, when you connect drives over 2 TB's, depending on which interface you are using to connect them to the computer, they may not be recognized at all, they may be only partially recognized, or they may be recognized but you can't access them. Other issues such as the system locking up or the computer not being able to boot may also occur.

Cause:
This not a WD external or internal hard drive issue. It is a 2 TB volume limitation caused by the Master Boot Record (MBR) partitioning scheme that has long been used by Windows 32-bit operating systems such us Windows 2000 and XP.

Solution:
In order to use a drive larger than 2 TB's, you will need an operating system that can partition and format that drive. Windows 7, Vista, Windows XP (64-bit), Mac 10.4, and Mac 10.5 all have this capability through the GUID Partitioning Table (GPT). The GUID partitioning scheme has the ability to partition both internal and external drives far beyond 2 TB's in size.

Below are some things to keep in mind when considering the use of drives larger than 2 TB's:

1. Windows 2000/XP (32-bit) has no issues with Network storage drives larger than 2 TB's since they are accessed indirectly through the network.
2. Windows XP (64-bit) only recognizes external hard drives larger than 2 TB's that are connected by USB.
3. You need to know in which partition scheme, MBR or GPT, your Windows Vista operating system is installed. If it's MBR, you will still have the same issues as in Windows 2000 and XP.
4. Windows 2000/XP will have no problems formatting a 2 TB Raid 1 (Mirrored) drive in the MBR format. However, it will not be able to convert that 2 TB RAID 1 drive to a 4 TB RAID 0 drive.
5. Likewise, Windows 2000/XP will not be able to convert a 4 TB RAID 0 external drive to a 2 TB RAID 1 drive. You will need the use of a computer running Windows Vista (using a GPT partition), XP (64-bit), or Mac 10.4/10.5 to convert the drive from 4 TB RAID 0 to 2 TB RAID 1.
6. Windows 2000/XP will not be able to convert any 2 TB, or smaller, GUID partitioned drive to an MBR partition through Window's Disk Management. This will require a utility, such as DLG Diagnostics, that can write zeros to the drive so it can be partitioned and formatted through Windows 2000/XP.

For more information on GUID partitioning please see:

* http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946557

For more information on MBR partition size limitation, please see:

* http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/LUN_SP1.mspx

* http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938937.aspx

For more information on the 2 TB limit, please the attached document, Operating_System_Boot_Partition.pdf.

http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/ph...hp?p_faqid=2754

http://event.asus.com/mb/2010/Disk_Unlocker/

http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/self...&NewLang=en

 

[dexter222]

ROFL

What's your point?

 

[GH0ST]

I have a confession to make, I’m a pack rat ^^

 

[Alkis30]

I have nearly 1100 games (2.3 TB total size). I was trying to find a solution in order to have all my games on Wiiflow... From what I can tell there is no way to use a 3TB hard disk on Wii so I decided to split the games in two 2TB disks (A-L, M-Z) and to switch hard disks in USB1 slot of Wii. I can not think of any other solution right now. Maybe when Wiiflow supports IOS58 we can use the 2 USB slots at the same time ... (Just like in jtags xbox360) . What do you think ?

 

[dexter222]

I have nearly 1100 games (2.3 TB total size). I was trying to find a solution in order to have all my games on Wiiflow... From what I can tell there is no way to use a 3TB hard disk on Wii so I decided to split the games in two 2TB disks (A-L, M-Z) and to switch hard disks in USB1 slot of Wii. I can not think of any other solution right now. Maybe when Wiiflow supports IOS58 we can use the 2 USB slots at the same time ... (Just like in jtags xbox360) . What do you think ?

Check out http://gbatemp.net/t276377-3-tb-seagate-works

 

[pipeandwire]

have to admit, there were a few dumb comments in this post. im still in the same boat, i have about 1100 wii games, another 300 wiiware and another 600 snes, nes that unfortunately havent been able to put on a single drive. i have about 1075 on a 2tb fat32 drive that works FLAWLESSLY with usb cfg or gx v2.2 in autoboot. i can use the ex hdd as ntfs but then i will lose the whole idea of not needing sd card. was wondering if there has been any conclusion to the original post

 

[crwys]

You can't.

Just like 32-bit Vista and everything older can't read them, the Wii can't read them. It doesn't support the way that the data is stored.

Actually Drives that are 2.5tb and 3tb can work formatted as ntfs or fat32 on the Wii.
The only homebrew apps it will work with though is the apps the utilize cIOSX rev21d2x.
So basically only works with CFG and UsbLoaderGX.

 

[PsyBlade]

You can't.

Just like 32-bit Vista and everything older can't read them, the Wii can't read them. It doesn't support the way that the data is stored.

Actually Drives that are 2.5tb and 3tb can work formatted as ntfs or fat32 on the Wii.
The only homebrew apps it will work with though is the apps the utilize cIOSX rev21d2x.
So basically only works with CFG and UsbLoaderGX.

I know this thread is old but I don't like to see anyones purse hurt by this BS.

A. cIOS has nothing to do with it

B. there are two kinds of drives: drives with normal sect size (512B) and drives with bigger ones
atm the only drives +2TiB that partially work on wii are the second variety

C. Fat32 is limited to 2TiB on normal drives

D. normal drives >2TiB will require GPT support do be added.
While this is only a pure SW problem, atm there is no one doing it.
Unless you do it yourself don't bet on it.

E. big sector drives (of any size) require software support too.
Some programs like the ones he mentioned do this, most don't.
Pace is slow atm and seeing how many programs are not supported anymore I don't think adoption will be widespread.

tl;dr: stay with

 

[DinohScene]

why even need that big a hdd anyway?! go and buy a cheap 320gb drive that's all you'll need.

Indeed.

You'll never fill 3 TB with Wii ISO's.
75% is shovelware and the other 25% won't occupy more then 320 GB.

I have a better use of 3 TB then for Wii games .__.

 

[Lucif3r]

why even need that big a hdd anyway?! go and buy a cheap 320gb drive that's all you'll need.

Indeed.

You'll never fill 3 TB with Wii ISO's.

... Because the HDD cant be used for other things than Wii, right?

 

[DinohScene]

why even need that big a hdd anyway?! go and buy a cheap 320gb drive that's all you'll need.

Indeed.

You'll never fill 3 TB with Wii ISO's.

... Because the HDD cant be used for other things than Wii, right?

Most people dedicate the drive to the Wii.

 

[crwys]

You can't.

Just like 32-bit Vista and everything older can't read them, the Wii can't read them. It doesn't support the way that the data is stored.

Actually Drives that are 2.5tb and 3tb can work formatted as ntfs or fat32 on the Wii.
The only homebrew apps it will work with though is the apps the utilize cIOSX rev21d2x.
So basically only works with CFG and UsbLoaderGX.

I know this thread is old but I don't like to see anyones purse hurt by this BS.

How is this BS when it is true?

 

[PsyBlade]

Its BS because it is not true, at least not generally.

 

[crwys]

Lets see....
Actually Drives that are 2.5tb and 3tb can work formatted as ntfs or fat32 on the Wii.
I know this is true because I have a drive and tested both fat32 and ntfs on the Wii.

The only homebrew apps it will work with though is the apps that utilize cIOSX rev21d2x.
If you can show me a different app that doesn't use cIOSX rev21d2x and it works with my drive then its not true. But for now, it is true.

So basically only works with CFG and UsbLoaderGX.
Unless there is something I missed, feel free to point it out because I want to see if it works.

I do not see what is not true here.

 

[PsyBlade]

Lets see....
Actually Drives that are 2.5tb and 3tb can work formatted as ntfs or fat32 on the Wii.
I know this is true because I have a drive and tested both fat32 and ntfs on the Wii.

The only homebrew apps it will work with though is the apps that utilize cIOSX rev21d2x.
If you can show me a different app that doesn't use cIOSX rev21d2x and it works with my drive then its not true. But for now, it is true.

So basically only works with CFG and UsbLoaderGX.
Unless there is something I missed, feel free to point it out because I want to see if it works.

I do not see what is not true here.

Yes YOUR drive do work. But as I wrote there are other drives that CAN NOT.
They can't even be formated to one huge fat32 partition (only to other fs).
And would not work on the wii even if they could.

Even in absence of counterexamples you can not prove by example:
"I am german -> everyone is" simply does not work.

Telling people that it works if there is a relevant chance that it does not is BS imho.



Yes both programs work and use cios.
But 100% of all serial killers regularly consumed Dihydromonoxide.
Correlation != Causation.

If you don't speak chinese it does not matter how speaks it to you.
Thats why cIOS does not matter, worse it's leading others on a wrong track even if the correlation it there atm.

If I could test it I would look for a program but I don't have a 4KiB drive.
I would even fix your media plaey just for fun. Or at least try my suggestions.