M3 DS Real Information

[ahtin]

I love the English package more than the chinese one...

 

[ViRGE]

One is for rumble and the other for GBA and RAM. What is there not to understand? Some people absolutely hate rumble, I don't mind though... So it is logical to remove it.

Except that's not the case. The 2 packs are the "Rumble RAM" pack and the "GBA Expansion" pack. The former is the rumble feature and the RAM, the latter is the NOR flash cart for playing GBA games.

As for removing the rumble, I'm not immediately aware of any game that doesn't make it an option. If it were the case where there wasn't an option, then the flash cart maker could very easily create a utility to turn that feature on or off.

 

[Armadillo]

In addition to the fabulous G6 Lite, I don't recall hearing (or experiencing) any of the slot-1 carts not working on the big brick. The M3 team continually updated their cart to make it smaller and smaller and fit the original DS with barely any stickout. There's the SuperCard series, EZ-Flash IV and even the eWin Flash. (Shameless GBAtemp plug: All reviewed here! Click on "Reviews" at the top of the page.)

They are all full flash carts , the slot 1 portion of this should have no trouble working on an old ds , this be about the expansion carts , which far as I'm aware there ins't a great choice in normal ds size cept the 3in1 which I've only seen in GBA size case on a single site.

QUOTE(Qrayzie @ Oct 18 2007, 12:50 AM)While it's true, this rumble (*cough*useless*cough*) expansion and RAM expansion setup are geared towards Lite owners, imagine that they have to produce these things at a factory, meaning they have to run one heck of a lot of them to be able to offer enough to attain profitability. Sadly, the brick DS market is now smaller, and it just doesn't make sense to increase their costs to support something that won't be profitable in the same way. People in general have no particular loyalty to flash cart teams - they jump ship to whatever is the latest and greatest. Knowing that your cart may become the "previous best thing" in a ridiculously short period of time means support the biggest market and hope to make a return.

While thats true would it really kill them to make a empty gba sized case to fit them in , like the G6L did. If they are that worried about profits , sell the empty cases separately. Increase the potential market , rather than just forgetting about one section because what they use is supposedly outdated.

 

[Alastair]

While thats true would it really kill them to make a empty gba sized case to fit them in , like the G6L did. If they are that worried about profits , sell the empty cases separately. Increase the potential market , rather than just forgetting about one section because what they use is supposedly outdated.

"What they" ARE outdated.

Just make your own GBA-sized case if it's such an issue.
I don't see the necessity for this product anyway.
It just turns a 3-in-1 into a 3-in-2.

 

[ZAFDeltaForce]

Looks like there's a lot of expansion packs that will be associating this card. Its a shame they only made them compatible with the DS Lite. What they should have done was include DS Phat shells as well and made the expansion pack PCBs interchangeable with DS Lite and DS Phat shells.

By only catering to the DS Lite audience, they are narrowing their market until they release DS Phat compatible expansions.

 

[imyourxpan]

idk what is the point, i mean a fewish added features, but just get the 3-in-1 and it's perfect.

 

[leetdude_007]

This is what I've been waiting for.

edit: it would be great if they sold separately and was easier to use than the EZF3n1xPk. Price too. So many wants... do the right thing, M3!

 

[Gangsta_L]

My guess is that this package:

In the Rumble Ram Pack Bundle Includes:

* A M3 DS Real Cartridge
* A T-Flash Reader
* A M3 Ds Real Holder case
* A Rumble Ram Device

suits me the best. but the Rumble Ram device (just to make things clear), is that a device to let your DS rumble, and it has RAM in it for for example the Opera browser?

 

[Lumstar]

I want a straight answer. Does any flash cart natively support 128 kilobyte save files in commercial GBA ROMs? If so, may I please have the name of said flash cart(s)?

I've never heard of native support for that with GBA, despite nearly all carts allowing 256 kilobyte or higher in DS mode.

 

[DjoeN]

There making it difficult?

what i make up from all the info and M3 info it looks like this:

M3DS Real has 2 expnasion carts:
- GBA
- Rumble

But if i read all forums (on different websites) , it looks like the Rumble AND the GBA expansion packs have also RAM.

But if i read the 3 different packs it looks like there is a rumble version WITH ram and a rumble version WITHOUT ram
and no mention of RAM in the GBA expansion pack.

It's confusing :/

 

[Kellicros]

Actually, I would rather they make a firmware that officially supports the 3 in 1 Expansion(like Cyclo) or maybe clamps all those 3 functions together like it has been done. But maybe they felt like it would help their competitors, or that they don't wanna be called a rip-off(again, *coughs M3DSS R4*) so they have to make a bunch of messy SLOT2 carts. I personally will be sticking to my 3 in 1 Expansion, there's no way I would wanna bring those extra SLOT2 carts along when I am out with my DSL.

 

[Psyfira]

Hold it, the Real was announced when the Simply came out. And the EZ-3in1 has been out for 6 months now. There must be some reason why this has taken the M3 team so long to develop, and I'd be willing to bet it's got something to do with that GBA cart. Rumble on a separate cart, Shaun mentioned they haven't announced the size yet, it wouldn't surprise me if they've got something hidden up their sleeves... like higher capacity with multiboot? (no point having a cart over the maximum rom size otherwise).

Otherwise the M3 team are 6 months late to the party with a more expensive, worse solution than the 3in1. It makes no sense.

 

[Destructobot]

It could just be that they're slow, and they no longer have any technological advantage now that there are many capable teams making game pirating hardware.

 

[imgod22222]

They still would be supporting the lite if they just used normal sized gba cards. Then they would fit both , this way round only fits the lite or they could give you changeable shells or even sell a gba sized shell for them . G6L did it , wouldn't kill others to aswell.
None of us light users want giant cards sticking out of our DS Lights making it so the system is far less sexy and far less portable. If they exclusively used big cards they would be effectively shutting out the much larger DS Light audience.

so my DSL isn't sexy and portable?

I have a SC SD sticking out of it... (Bigger than a GBA cart)

 

[ViRGE]

It could just be that they're slow, and they no longer have any technological advantage now that there are many capable teams making game pirating hardware.

And it's not even that. It's an issue of what else can you put in a flash cart? Once you have full game compatibility, full download play compatibility, and cheating, the only thing left is real-time saves which are (and probably always will be) impossible. At the hardware level, the only way you could possibly improve a flash cart is to put 512MB of RAM on it so that a DS game can be run out of RAM so that you can skip patching and slowdowns altogether, and that isn't practical right now.

For the time being we're at the pinnacle of flash carts, there's room for improvement in the software but the hardware has reached its peak. The M3 team and everyone else can no longer differentiate themselves via their hardware.

 

[Deleted User]

I have a SC SD sticking out of it... (Bigger than a GBA cart)

Me too. Maybe we should form a support group.

 

[Lumstar]

Hardware has reached it's peak? Um... Wouldn't that be a flash cart that has the web browser RAM, tilt, real-time clock, rumble, solar sensor, and reading of legit eReader cards all in one?

BTW. Most of you don't know, but NO retail GBA cartridge over 32 megabytes has ever been dumped. Therefore not a single emulator or flash cart in existance can currently run them, period. This applies to the feature-length GBA Video carts like Shrek, Shrek 2, and Shark Tale.

 

[ViRGE]

Hardware has reached it's peak? Um... Wouldn't that be a flash cart that has the web browser RAM, tilt, real-time clock, rumble, solar sensor, and reading of legit eReader cards all in one?

1) Can't be done due to technical limitations
2) Do-able, but the sensors are too big to fit along side the rest of the hardware for a slot-1 flash cart (and they're probably not going to get smaller any time soon). It make more sense to put it in a slot-2 device.
3) The DS already has a RTC
4) See 2. Furthermore with rumble in particular you want the rumbling at the bottom of the DS so that it's being done at the palms.
5) A sensor, for what?
6) Now you're just being silly

 

[Lumstar]

Oh. This is why I'm a diehard slot-2 fanatic. Very adamant about the features some cards for it have, yet slot-1 doesn't.

 

[El Bastardo]

The Slot-2 Expansion spree aside. After all the fuss I'm confused about the main thing so I would like to know what are the groundbreaking new things in the M3 Real that makes it "better" than the current Slot-1 kings like the CycloDS Evolution, M3DS Simply, Supercard DS ONE and R4DS?? - So simply asked: Why should I wait for this and buy it? What can this one what the other mentioned don't?