1. osm70

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    Updating and changing the rules... yeah, that isn't going to happen. The moment you try touching the first amendmend you get an angry mob because you are "trying to take their rights away" and "suppressing free speech".
     
  2. UltraSUPRA

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    It's almost like absolute freedom of speech is the most important freedom one can have. Have you read 1984?
     
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    I agree that freedom of speech is important. But I don't think it should be 100% absolute. To give you an example... would you be OK with someone randomly telling all your friends and family that you are a rapist and a pedophile? Surely you would want to press legal charges, wouldn't you?
     
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    That's an odd point to come up with when that's exactly what you've been doing with Trump.
     
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    Well, I have never called Trump either a rapist or a pedophile. I have no idea whether he is one or not and I am not someone who would just say random crap about others. Now, assuming Trump is neither a rapist nor a pedophile, telling everyone he is of course isn't something I would approve of.

    Also, you haven't answered my question. Would you respect their free speech or would you want to press charges?
     
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    I'd respect their free speech. Remember ProJared and RelaxAlax? They were under fire for a bit, and then the truth revealed itself. It always does, one way or another. I'd show my evidence, but I wouldn't sue.
     
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    If that's true then you are way "less fragile" (for lack of a better term) than most people. I am pretty sure almost everyone would flip out and sue them as hard as possible. At least where I'm from.
     
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    Even permanently banned from Snapchat.
     
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    Seems a mere association (not conviction in court of law, though even that would be dubious) can get you pinged from Airbnb


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...ks-inauguration-week-reservations/ar-BB1cIZQl

    Well that is a thing.

    I hope the movers and shakers in silly cunt valley understand their actions -- even with California mag size restrictions it takes but one shot and that kind of prodding looks like it is going to wind someone up that is not a little girl that fucked in the head before too long.
     
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    Well, you really can't just leave the rhetoric either. Especially considering that this group of people was out to kill. and was actually a lot more organized than at first glance. it's now being realized the main thing was to lead out the police for other groups to place bombs. And something fucky was going on, since police officers that knew something was going to happen, was told to go home early, and then when the riots started happening they were asking what the fuck why their phones weren't going off.
    Free speech is not absolute. It has limits.
    There is also a paradox of tolerance really. Maga, proud boys and so on, are openly intolerant to groups of people. May it be leftists/liberals(they aren't the same but in their eyes it is), or (ethic group here)
    They want them dead. Tolerating that essentially get's that group killed.
    So really you shouldn't be tolerating the intolerable if you actually want to defend tolerance. Since really, if you bend with the intolerant group, or become tolerant with that group. Your not being tolerant anymore, your acting/supporting intolerance.
     
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    Do the maga set or proud boys, nebulous classifications though they may be, have any history of disliking I presume that is supposed to be ethnic there (anybody can dislike anybody else for the ethics they have, part of the whole free speech thing)?

    As far as bombs then one making radical claims need to provide evidence.

    " Free speech is not absolute. It has limits."
    For some, myself included. The question is ever what those limits are. I kind of like the informal US model (libel/slander, direct incitement) and with that in mind I am not sure any limits were broached.

    So really you shouldn't be tolerating the intolerable if you actually want to defend tolerance

    "I may not like what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
     
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    aww you just read in school I take it... don't forget the freedom of not getting shot because of the color of your skin
     
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    Is that a thing that commonly happens these days in places people care to live?
     
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    It is scary that big tech is able to silence anything that goes against the narrative given to them by society. Basically, social media is becoming more and more of an echo chamber and becoming less and less civil and open-minded. I don't trust big tech as far as I can throw them.
     
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    Debated a new thread for this one but seems like we are having a good time here.

    So it seems various movers and shakers in book publishers are against free speech (though I imagine they will want to tell me it is "providing a platform"), and the case has been building for a while (see the Jordan Peterson thing the other month). Scary times when publishers and authors seek to play censor.
    For those not up to date on publishers
    https://blog.reedsy.com/largest-book-publishers/
    The "big 5" being
    Penguin Random House, Hachette Livre, HarperCollins, Macmillan Publishers, and Simon & Schuster. All with fairly high power roles well represented if that list is correct.


    "THIS IS A LETTER OF INTENT FROM PUBLISHING PROFESSIONALS OF THE UNITED STATES."
    "and we will do whatever is in our power to stop it."
    Strong words there. From where I sit free speech is scary, not having free speech is scarier still.

    Publishing is a hard game this last few decades as well, cutting off a money supply is a brave move in such scenarios.


    https://docs.google.com/document/d/...oiDOUIFEEx3MuvXubKQJi6BGpTlsyJpqLgk-pyhiE/pub
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    THIS IS A LETTER OF INTENT FROM PUBLISHING PROFESSIONALS OF THE UNITED STATES.
    
    We all love book publishing, but we have to be honest — our country is where it is in part because publishing has chased the money and notoriety of some pretty sketchy people, and has granted those same people both the imprimatur of respectability and a lot of money through sweetheart book deals.
    
    As members of the writing and publishing community of the United States, we affirm that participation in the administration of Donald Trump must be considered a uniquely mitigating criterion for publishing houses when considering book deals.
    
    Consequently, we believe: No participant in an administration that caged children, performed involuntary surgeries on captive women, and scoffed at science as millions were infected with a deadly virus should be enriched by the almost rote largesse of a big book deal. And no one who incited, suborned, instigated, or otherwise supported the January 6, 2021 coup attempt should have their philosophies remunerated and disseminated through our beloved publishing houses.
    
    “Son of Sam” laws exist to prevent criminals from benefiting financially from writing about their crimes. In that spirit, those who enabled, promulgated, and covered up crimes against the American people should not be enriched through the coffers of publishing.
    
    We are writers, editors, journalists, agents, and professionals in multiple forms of publishing. We believe in the power of words and we are tired of the industry we love enriching the monsters among us, and we will do whatever is in our power to stop it.
    
    [Authors, editors, agents, and all other publishing professionals in the US may sign the letter here.]
    
    [Count as of 1/25/21: 586]
    
    Signed:
    
    Barry Lyga (Author)
    
    Chris Abouzeid (Co-owner, Belmont Books)
    
    Alex Acks (Author)
    
    Kaylan Adair (Executive Editor, Candlewick Press)
    
    Vikas Adam (Audiobook Narrator (PRH, Macmillan, Audible, Simon & Schuster))
    
    Alyssa Adamovich (Brilliance Publishing)
    
    Mari Adkins (writer / editor)
    
    Dahlia Adler (Author )
    
    Wajahat Ali (Writer)
    
    Jenny Allen (Author)
    
    Adi Alsaid (Writer)
    
    Suzie Althens (Audiobook narrator)
    
    Elissa Alves (Literary and Operations Associate, Folio Literary Management)
    
    Charlie Jane Anders (author, Victories Greater Than Death)
    
    Kathleen Anderson (President, ANDERSON LITERARY MANAGEMENT LLC)
    
    Sarah M. Anderson (Author)
    
    Jill Anderson (Author Love Song Graphics)
    
    Nicole Aronis (Author)
    
    Holly Atkinson (Editor)
    
    Tanya Avakian (Author)
    
    Pauline avendano (Author)
    
    J. Averre (Author)
    
    Jessica Awad (Media Assistant Editor, W. W. Norton & Company)
    
    Kim Baccellia-Rapier (Author)
    
    Morgan Baden (Author)
    
    Elizabeth Baldwin (ERB Publishing, w/a Elizabeth Essex)
    
    Dr. Martha Baldwin (Scholar and Author)
    
    Tracey Baptiste (Author)
    
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    Rachel Kempster Barry (Author/Consultant)
    
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    Emi Battaglia (President Emi Battaglia Public Relations)
    
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    Hayley Behal (Production editor, The History Press)
    
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  16. Scott_pilgrim

    Scott_pilgrim Nyan-binary
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    I doubt he’s even read it

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    He broke their rules, he got banned, I don’t see what’s the big deal
     
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    If "he" refers to president Trump, I'm not just talking about that. It's not really about just that at all
     
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    "that" is literally what this thread is about tho
     
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    The problem goes deeper than that tho, and has long before
     
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