Legality of ROMs

[spinal_cord]

This is quite an argument!

The way I see it in regards to console games is - if you own the original copy and make the backup yourself from that original, then it is less illegal. However, because the act of backing up the copy requires the protection to be circumvented, the the act of backup up the original is illegal. Downloading a backup someone else made is illegal because you didn't make that backup yourself from your own original. Using that backup, regardless of weather you own the original or not is illegal as the copy protection must be circumvented (in more ways than one) in order to make it run.

You can legally copy a CD to your personal mp3 player because the music industry as a whole has accepted and allows this to happen. The video game industry does not allow this, therefore, as the copyright holders tell you you can't, copyright law states that doing so is illegal.

 

[Demonstryde]

wasnt aware that anti piracy measures are circumvented at the point of the dump... they do however get circumvented at the load of the rom.....having a backup does not circumvent the anti piracy measure....


EDIT: on topic enough? or am i going to be silenced again???? dont see the other off topic posts removed. feelin a bit of a hate wave commin at me.

 

[spinal_cord]

wasnt aware that anti piracy measures are circumvented at the point of the dump... they do however get circumvented at the load of the rom.....having a backup does not circumvent the anti piracy measure....


EDIT: on topic enough? or am i going to be silenced again???? dont see the other off topic posts removed. feelin a bit of a hate wave commin at me.

Flash carts circumvent security to load in the first place, the newer ones (DSi and later) actually have some commercial game roms (or part of) to fool the system, as well as whatever security was on the DS in the first place, which had to be bypassed in the first place. Commercial roms have to be heavily patched in order to run from a flash cart, they are programmed to access official Nintendo carts only, and their program code has to be changed so that they load from and can access the flash cart.

 

[Demonstryde]

wasnt aware that anti piracy measures are circumvented at the point of the dump... they do however get circumvented at the load of the rom.....having a backup does not circumvent the anti piracy measure....


EDIT: on topic enough? or am i going to be silenced again???? dont see the other off topic posts removed. feelin a bit of a hate wave commin at me.

Flash carts circumvent security to load in the first place, the newer ones (DSi and later) actually have some commercial game roms (or part of) to fool the system, as well as whatever security was on the DS in the first place, which had to be bypassed in the first place. Commercial roms have to be heavily patched in order to run from a flash cart, they are programmed to access official Nintendo carts only, and their program code has to be changed so that they load from and can access the flash cart.

but dumping it from a cartridge dumper does not circumvent the anti piracy.. its only when you load the rom that it bypasses the anti piracy, so just own a copy is not illegal.... also, would you need to bypass the security to run a dump on a pc with a DS emulator?

 

[darknessblade]

in europe it legal to hold a copy for yourself
if you contribute them your doing is illigal

 

[spinal_cord]

wasnt aware that anti piracy measures are circumvented at the point of the dump... they do however get circumvented at the load of the rom.....having a backup does not circumvent the anti piracy measure....


EDIT: on topic enough? or am i going to be silenced again???? dont see the other off topic posts removed. feelin a bit of a hate wave commin at me.

Flash carts circumvent security to load in the first place, the newer ones (DSi and later) actually have some commercial game roms (or part of) to fool the system, as well as whatever security was on the DS in the first place, which had to be bypassed in the first place. Commercial roms have to be heavily patched in order to run from a flash cart, they are programmed to access official Nintendo carts only, and their program code has to be changed so that they load from and can access the flash cart.

but dumping it from a cartridge dumper does not circumvent the anti piracy.. its only when you load the rom that it bypasses the anti piracy, so just own a copy is not illegal.... also, would you need to bypass the security to run a dump on a pc with a DS emulator?

afaik DS games (or the cartridges) are encrypted, they would need to be decrypted before they can be run.

 

[Demonstryde]

wasnt aware that anti piracy measures are circumvented at the point of the dump... they do however get circumvented at the load of the rom.....having a backup does not circumvent the anti piracy measure....


EDIT: on topic enough? or am i going to be silenced again???? dont see the other off topic posts removed. feelin a bit of a hate wave commin at me.

Flash carts circumvent security to load in the first place, the newer ones (DSi and later) actually have some commercial game roms (or part of) to fool the system, as well as whatever security was on the DS in the first place, which had to be bypassed in the first place. Commercial roms have to be heavily patched in order to run from a flash cart, they are programmed to access official Nintendo carts only, and their program code has to be changed so that they load from and can access the flash cart.

but dumping it from a cartridge dumper does not circumvent the anti piracy.. its only when you load the rom that it bypasses the anti piracy, so just own a copy is not illegal.... also, would you need to bypass the security to run a dump on a pc with a DS emulator?

afaik DS games (or the cartridges) are encrypted, they would need to be decrypted before they can be run.

so you can dump them without bypassing security....so....if you dump a rom it is not illegal to own. i have never used a DS emulator on a pc, does anyone here who has used one know if you need to still bypass anti-piracy with the emulator? i ask because it would seem that the emulator would not care if its a legit copy or not as it is not created by nintendo and does not, prob would not do the same security checks as a ds system would, resulting in you needing to bypass the piracy measure.

 

[Mangofett]

wasnt aware that anti piracy measures are circumvented at the point of the dump... they do however get circumvented at the load of the rom.....having a backup does not circumvent the anti piracy measure....


EDIT: on topic enough? or am i going to be silenced again???? dont see the other off topic posts removed. feelin a bit of a hate wave commin at me.

Flash carts circumvent security to load in the first place, the newer ones (DSi and later) actually have some commercial game roms (or part of) to fool the system, as well as whatever security was on the DS in the first place, which had to be bypassed in the first place. Commercial roms have to be heavily patched in order to run from a flash cart, they are programmed to access official Nintendo carts only, and their program code has to be changed so that they load from and can access the flash cart.

but dumping it from a cartridge dumper does not circumvent the anti piracy.. its only when you load the rom that it bypasses the anti piracy, so just own a copy is not illegal.... also, would you need to bypass the security to run a dump on a pc with a DS emulator?

afaik DS games (or the cartridges) are encrypted, they would need to be decrypted before they can be run.

so you can dump them without bypassing security....so....if you dump a rom it is not illegal to own. i have never used a DS emulator on a pc, does anyone here who has used one know if you need to still bypass anti-piracy with the emulator? i ask because it would seem that the emulator would not care if its a legit copy or not as it is not created by nintendo and does not, prob would not do the same security checks as a ds system would, resulting in you needing to bypass the piracy measure.

no$gba is made by the guy who cracked the encryption of the DS and, as such, it can play encrypted games. However, the legality of that is still in a gray area. Remember when the HD-DVD encryption keys were leaked a few years ago? And how Microsoft was sending out lawsuit threats under breach of DMCA?