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[SixtySixHundred]

dude the DSTWO iplayer files are also the same as the ones on ismartPlayer folder!what were they thinking?
-_-" You know guys, if you check out their forum and actually read some of it...the flashcart is using the same board as the iPlayer...and the GBA emulator is Darkchen's emulator for the iPlayer (flashcart).
Not only that, but both the DSTWO and iSMM used the AK RPG OS kernel so OBVIOUSLY they would look really similar.


QUOTE(Gariscus @ Nov 19 2010, 05:59 AM) Both the DSTWO OS and the iSMM OS are based off of the AK RPG firmware. I don't know if this would have anything to do with both of them having the same files...

The iSmart team doesn't seem to really care too much about renaming files that are needed to make the kernel run if it is working already (if it ain't broke, don't fix it?).

What business do I have in the iSmart forums? Still, it's a fairly obvious reason why the files are the way they are. Cheers for clearing that up.

 

[Dimensional]

Well, if this only has the same features as the DS TWO and nothing else, that would mean that people who already bought a DS TWO, which I'm assuming is a lot, won't be buying this.

To make matters even worse, since this card is apparently compatible with the DS TWO, that means if they make an update to their card, like in an emulator, then all the SC team has to do is copy that to their card and it will work.

So, even though they tried, all they did was make a card that could do what the DS TWO can, and is compatible enough to run either software on either card, which only means they will lose sales because people will just put the plugins of the iSmart MM onto the DS TWO as long as they stay compatible. But this does give good competition to make the SC team finally update their cards a lot faster. That I really like.

 

[Mbmax]

Mbmax
can you show us some screen shots of the GUI??

Just added some screenshots on the iSmartDS forum.

I paste the link also here : ImagesShack Slideshow

@Dimensional : No. The iSMM is not able to run the DSTOW kernel AND no the DSTWO is not able to run the iSMM kernel.
I properly tried that the first day i had this flashcart in test.

Now you are free to believe me or the guy who claim it's a dstwo clone without have the iSMM in his hands.

 

[RoMee]

Mbmax
can you show us some screen shots of the GUI??

Just added some screenshots on the iSmartDS forum.

I paste the link also here : ImagesShack Slideshow

@Dimensional : No. The iSMM is not able to run the DSTOW kernel AND no the DSTWO is not able to run the iSMM kernel.
I properly tried that the first day i had this flashcart in test.

Thanks mbmax

it looks similar to the dstwo

 

[Mbmax]

Yes, the GUI is also based on ak rpg, as jurassicplayer already said.

That's exactly what goncalodoom tested on his DSTWO. Only the GUI.

 

[Dimensional]

Mbmax
can you show us some screen shots of the GUI??

Just added some screenshots on the iSmartDS forum.

I paste the link also here : ImagesShack Slideshow

@Dimensional : No. The iSMM is not able to run the DSTOW kernel AND no the DSTWO is not able to run the iSMM kernel.
I properly tried that the first day i had this flashcart in test.

Now you are free to believe me or the guy who claim it's a dstwo clone without have the iSMM in his hands.

I didn't mean the kernel. I meant the plugins, the emulators. I even pointed that out in my post.

 

[Mbmax]

Mbmax
can you show us some screen shots of the GUI??

Just added some screenshots on the iSmartDS forum.

I paste the link also here : ImagesShack Slideshow

@Dimensional : No. The iSMM is not able to run the DSTOW kernel AND no the DSTWO is not able to run the iSMM kernel.
I properly tried that the first day i had this flashcart in test.

Now you are free to believe me or the guy who claim it's a dstwo clone without have the iSMM in his hands.

I didn't mean the kernel. I meant the plugins, the emulators. I even pointed that out in my post.

Well ... sorry to disappoint you but i also tried to run dstwo plugins on ismm. white screens.

Now please people, stop saying it's a dstwo clone.
As i said on my first impression post in the iSmartDS forum, the PCB of this flashcart looks exactly like the iPlayer one.
Exactly.

 

[RoMee]

Yes, the GUI is also based on ak rpg, as jurassicplayer already said.

That's exactly what goncalodoom tested on his DSTWO. Only the GUI.

Not trying to get you mad but this looks like a dstwo clone

 

[Dimensional]

Mbmax
can you show us some screen shots of the GUI??

Just added some screenshots on the iSmartDS forum.

I paste the link also here : ImagesShack Slideshow

@Dimensional : No. The iSMM is not able to run the DSTOW kernel AND no the DSTWO is not able to run the iSMM kernel.
I properly tried that the first day i had this flashcart in test.

Now you are free to believe me or the guy who claim it's a dstwo clone without have the iSMM in his hands.

I didn't mean the kernel. I meant the plugins, the emulators. I even pointed that out in my post.

Well ... sorry to disappoint you but i also tried to run dstwo plugins on ismm. white screens.

Gotcha. Thanks for the update. Though looking like the DS TWO isn't a good idea. And as I said, this should give the proper competition for the SC team to really work hard on making their card better, since if this offers the same features, it would make more people buy that card instead of the DS TWO.

 

[Mbmax]

Yes, the GUI is also based on ak rpg, as jurassicplayer already said.

That's exactly what goncalodoom tested on his DSTWO. Only the GUI.

Not trying to get you mad but this looks like a dstwo clone

Well, it's not and i'm not getting mad.

 

[shamiko_]

Gotcha. Thanks for the update. Though looking like the DS TWO isn't a good idea. And as I said, this should give the proper competition for the SC team to really work hard on making their card better, since if this offers the same features, it would make more people buy that card instead of the DS TWO.

quick supercard, add some protection so that ismart won't copy anything else in the fututre

 

[Gh0sti]

so has anyone tried the gba emu to see if its better?

 

[Aurora Wright]

Well ... sorry to disappoint you but i also tried to run dstwo plugins on ismm. white screens.

If you open a DSTWO/iSMM plugin in a hex editor, it's obvious that it's encrypted, so they probably just used a different encryption for this card.
The files have the same names as the DSTWO and similar file sizes, I checked the Italian translation and it has the same strings. Some files (such as initdata.dat, savemode.dat, reset2desktop.nds and a lot of graphic files - some from the plugin menu) have even the same CRC32

Only the EOS (DSGAME.nds) UI is based off the AKRPG firmware.
I don't think they copied anything (they would have had to reverse engineer a ton of stuff), probably they bought the software from SuperCard Team.
Just out of curiosity, does this also use Fish Tycoon as the exploitable game to boot? And does 42 All-Time Classics have trouble opening the In-Game Menu?

 

[Mbmax]

Yeah it use Fish Tycoon faked game like on iPlayer.

And i repeat, the PCB is the same than the iPlayer one, the same.

People, forget this idea. The hardware is not based on the dstwo !
Plugins will never work even if you get the proper encryption.

iPlayer powered.

 

[Varia]

Gotcha. Thanks for the update. Though looking like the DS TWO isn't a good idea. And as I said, this should give the proper competition for the SC team to really work hard on making their card better, since if this offers the same features, it would make more people buy that card instead of the DS TWO.

Lolwut?
I'm almost definite sure people would prefer to buy the SC2 over this card if the features are alike.
The SC2 costs only $3 more, what would people prefer? a card which is supported by a team with a long history (and by individual developers) who're known for their great support? or a card which is supported by a new team in the scene, which we can't know how often they'll update, and how long they'll keep supporting their products, and what more, their first card failed?

So far we know that the SC2 beats the iSmart MM when it comes to features (based on the information we were given on the iSmart MM), as it lacks a built in SNES emu, a pdf reader, and some other emulators made by individual developers.

The iSmart team's greatest mistake was releasing a flashcart in such a late stage of the DS's life spawn,
especially when a successor to the DS has already been announced.

This might even sell less than the CycloDS iEvolution, as TC has quite a few fans who'd buy anything they release (that is if it won't have some ridicules price tag)... then again, we don't know much about the iCyclo.
The only way this has a chance of selling well is if the GBA emulator will be superior to the SC2's - which I doubt will happen, as I believe that it's basically an iPlayer port (I doubt the GBA emulator will even support RTC (real time clock) at first), OR it will have an amazing emulator that the SC2 doesn't (or won't) have - such as a PSX emulator (which I doubt that will ever happen).

Not trying to bash the iSmart MM, I know the iSmart team is new and all and they do deserve a chance, but I just don't think people would buy it over the SC2...
I don't even see the reason to buy a SC2, to that matter, unless it will work on the 3DS somehow...

 

[9th_Sage]

I wonder if we'll ever know what the deal really is here. There's so many similarities that they had to have either bought or reverse engineered the software in some way (since at least I'm pretty sure Supercard haven't released any source for their menu...I know it's based on AKRPG but it's not like it's an exact copy of AKRPG). I haven't heard of them releasing the source for the GBA emulator either, and this one seems to be pretty much the DSTwo one with a different skin judging from it's file structure and look (I guess we'll know when someone gets one of these and tries it though).

 

[Dimensional]

Gotcha. Thanks for the update. Though looking like the DS TWO isn't a good idea. And as I said, this should give the proper competition for the SC team to really work hard on making their card better, since if this offers the same features, it would make more people buy that card instead of the DS TWO.

Lolwut?
I'm almost definite sure people would prefer to buy the SC2 over this card if the features are alike.
The SC2 costs only $3 more, what would people prefer? a card which is supported by a team with a long history (and by individual developers) who're known for their great support? or a card which is supported by a new team in the scene, which we can't know how often they'll update, and how long they'll keep supporting their products, and what more, their first card failed?

So far we know that the SC2 beats the iSmart MM when it comes to features (based on the information we were given on the iSmart MM), as it lacks a built in SNES emu, a pdf reader, and some other emulators made by individual developers.

The iSmart team's greatest mistake was releasing a flashcart in such a late stage of the DS's life spawn,
especially when a successor to the DS has already been announced.

This might even sell less than the CycloDS iEvolution, as TC has quite a few fans who'd buy anything they release (that is if it won't have some ridicules price tag)... then again, we don't know much about the iCyclo.
The only way this has a chance of selling well is if the GBA emulator will be superior to the SC2's - which I doubt will happen, as I believe that it's basically an iPlayer port (I doubt the GBA emulator will even support RTC (real time clock) at first), OR it will have an amazing emulator that the SC2 doesn't (or won't) have - such as a PSX emulator (which I doubt that will ever happen).

Not trying to bash the iSmart MM, I know the iSmart team is new and all and they do deserve a chance, but I just don't think people would buy it over the SC2...
I don't even see the reason to buy a SC2, to that matter, unless it will work on the 3DS somehow...

If they add the same features later on, and improve them, then they will give the DS TWO a run for it's money. I have a DS TWO, so I won't buy the iSmartMM. I don't care what happens as long as it add to the competition and makes SC work harder and better than before. They are already at the top thanks to that card, but if they don't watch out, other card makers will catch up and possibly blow them out of the water.

 

[Another World]

I wonder if we'll ever know what the deal really is here. There's so many similarities that they had to have either bought or reverse engineered the software in some way (since at least I'm pretty sure Supercard haven't released any source for their menu...I know it's based on AKRPG but it's not like it's an exact copy of AKRPG). I haven't heard of them releasing the source for the GBA emulator either, and this one seems to be pretty much the DSTwo one with a different skin judging from it's file structure and look (I guess we'll know when someone gets one of these and tries it though).

i know the truth and the mystery and i will talk about some of it in the gbatemp review. it was not reverse engineered in anyway and the software is 1st party. with that bit of information you can pretty much come to the correct conclusion based on what you said.

If they add the same features later on, and improve them, then they will give the DS TWO a run for it's money.

the ismart mm has a slower cpu more like the iplayer. cpu to card to slot1 already has a 50% data throughput loss, the slower cpu will probably impact what possible cpu based homebrew can be developed.

Lolwut?
I'm almost definite sure people would prefer to buy the SC2 over this card if the features are alike.
The SC2 costs only $3 more, what would people prefer? a card which is supported by a team with a long history (and by individual developers) who're known for their great support? or a card which is supported by a new team in the scene, which we can't know how often they'll update, and how long they'll keep supporting their products, and what more, their first card failed?

you would be really surprised to find out who coded the menu then. you wouldn't have made that comment if you had access to real information not handed down on random web sites (including some gbatemp posts which are incorrect).

The iSmart team's greatest mistake was releasing a flashcart in such a late stage of the DS's life spawn,
especially when a successor to the DS has already been announced.

thankfully many of us do not share your limited views. homebrew will always have a place as long as people have the systems to play with. i'm happy that there are still people who do not judge a system based on availability of pirated roms to play with. as long as this card is supported and the sdk is released there will be people who will have an interest in supporting it. i've already spoken to some developers who are interested in porting exclusive homebrew to the ismart mm, depending on how well written the sdk is.

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as I believe that it's basically an iPlayer port

you aren't far off, but the truth will not come out until i publish my review using information i obtained over a month ago from some anonymous sources.

the problems with ismart cards has not been the hardware but the software. it will remain to be seen if they can continue support of their products. the team members i have talked to are very nice and have a vested interest in this hobby. it isn't right to make assumptions on this card for the first 6 months of its life.

i'm super interested to see how this card stacks up. they kept it in beta for a long time to make sure the firmware bugs were squashed. bugs were the reason the ismart premium has problems when it first launched.

-another world

 

[Dimensional]

Look. The chances of the iSmartMM ever going to be as good as the DS TWO are small. But this still gives competition. Other flash carts are starting to follow suit.

 

[9th_Sage]

i know the truth and the mystery and i will talk about some of it in the gbatemp review. it was not reverse engineered in anyway and the software is 1st party. with that bit of information you can pretty much come to the correct conclusion based on what you said.

I guess that sort of clears it up then if I get the gist of everything you're saying above. Thanks.

I'll be looking forward to your review and further explanation (in due time of course).