Islamaphobia

[FAST6191]

Some interesting things so far.
Islam. Like all other religions if you do not try to effect changes that bother me and mine (kick people out of your club and make them lose the benefits that they get from it by all means if they do not follow your rules).
"a religion of peace" Every single thought process (religion is too general a word, perhaps philosophy is better) has been twisted or used to constrict by virtue of the words being flexible as to be rigid will invariably be the death of said philosophy.
One thing that really does get me is the vein of antiintellectualism being sported by those who seem to have the significant audience, I know full well that scholars of Islam were responsible for keeping valuable works around (all the ancient greek, roman and similar works) while others were busy being idiots. However knowledge is an exceptionally powerful currency so hopefully natural selection will kick in.

Places in the world. I have also travelled far and wide and for the most part people are the same:
Most are doing well if they can eat and enjoy a few luxuries.
Most comprehend they are getting screwed over by more than a few people.
Most know enough to have a conversation on the above.
Most know enough to know when to shut their mouth when a policeman is around.
Most could not care less about the actions of others provided they do not overtly affect them.

Terrorists: Presently I speak English down to dialect level from nearly all places where English is represented, other languages are not so bad either.
I am trained in building design, vehicle design and more or less in explosives (they are a twist on high energy reactions and oxidation, not to mention that courtesy of the duality of knowledge such things are available and even mandated by every government who teaches science well enough to allow qualifications to mean something across borders which is most of them).
I have a fair grounding in aspects of biochemistry and medicine (again see duality of knowledge).
I have a fair bit of knowledge on law and procedure thereof (there are two rolling armed response units in this town, one event will see them both go to it giving a good window to do whatever over the other side).
I have no great love for any country in the world and while I may not care to do anything there are others who have no such hangups.
Courtesy of all of that I can get my hands on just about anything I need to do things.
I am not unique and largely self taught from freely and readily available sources.
Simply put do not fear idiots (and to go in with nothing to do but die in an attack makes you an idiot) but fear your neighbour as they are far more dangerous.
Better yet fear nobody and get on with things.

Capitalism. There is a phrase along the lines of politicians, much like nappies/diapers, need to be changed frequently and for the same reason.
To my mind a similar situation needs to occur with capitalism although with boom and bust cycles, presently I see countless standards being ignored (It is my assertion that few would disagree the concept of standards is one of the greatest things humankind has ever created) and a whole thing is bogged down and is largely paper pushing (filled out a health and safety form recently?).

"Jap": There is undoubtedly history behind it but surely it is the intent behind words that matters rather than the word itself. Japanese as a word is not that much longer anyhow.

War as a driving force: countless scientific advances for thousands of years have been credited to it but that is me being coy.

@Xcalibur my my how definitions vary. I would not go so far as to say weasel words but there is certainly a slant (away from state terrorism and actions of states).

 

[Prophet]

You have quite a knack for twisting your argument into a indecipherable knot. When we argue intent, I best you at it and what do you do? Switch the argument to morality. If I follow your lead there then I'm being overly philosophical. Towers fell and people died. Did the terrorist care how many died? No. Was their sole reason for hitting the towers, to kill people. No.

After this I have come to the conclusion that I am talking to someone who only cares about appearing to be right. You cite a sign as some type of proof. I've seen signs that say "hang that n*gger" Should I assume that is the mantra of all white people?

You didn't come here to debate, you came to find like minded people who brandish the same ethnocentric banner as yourself. Mission accomplished, you win.

Exuse me for being overly emotional when you blatently imply that the victims of 9/11 weren't innocent. If their intent was to NOT kill civilians then how in any way would you deconstruct the goals of the hijacking? What you have cited doesn't add any credibility to your claims. Wounding America MEANS that there will be deaths. Deaths of targeted innocent civilians. Do you honestly expect that terrorists fully loaded with bombs just blow themselves up to no avail? They want to kill as many people as possible. One "quote" (which I'm not going to take as factual evidence) does not compare to the brute fact that terrorists blow themselves killing unnecessary numbers of innocent people with them. Or are you suggesting this is merely a coincidence?

No, they were "innocent." But a terrorist act that kills innocent people does not equal: Terrorist are targeting innocent people. It simply means terrorist will kill innocent people, to accomplish their mission.

If the killing of innocent people was the goal, then why strike so early in the day? Why not target places with even greater numbers of innocent people within them. In the eyes of the terrorist, the death of innocent people are an acceptable price, for some greater good to be served. The idea that they some how wish to see people die for no reason more than their own evil intentions, is propaganda of the highest order.

In beyond good and evil, Nietzsche states, "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster."

This is the dangerous line that you and many American's teeter upon. We Monster-ize men; call them terrorists, so that we may wage war on them guilt free. We push logic away, embolden our selves with polarized thought. Me good, Him bad. Surely you understand that American hands have killed countless "innocent" people in this war, but these deaths are somehow different. Somehow less significant. Some men die over cartoons, some men die for mere proximity. Families dead, because they were to close to a target we were bombarding. But who cares? They seemed monstrous too. Even as the nation turned from Afghanistan to Iraq, very few people blinked. They look monstrous too, same color, similar tongue. All one generalized brown faced race of evil doers. Even with the nation as a whole wishing to see us withdraw from Iraq, we wish this for the most selfish of reasons. Not because lives are being lost, but because "American" lives are being lost.

Blood is blood. No life is worth more than another. So two towers fell and men died. While that was happening genocide and famine continued to squeeze the life from the globe. Drought was killing people in Afghanistan, but it took two towers to fall before we decided to take a trip over there. The Taliban, didn't become an evil regime over night. Women were being stoned as a half-time spectacle at soccer games for years, but it took two towers for us to make any moves.

So maybe you are right, maybe I am a radical. I live in New York and even if the entire skyline was leveled, I'd be no more saddened by those deaths than I already am by the various epidemics that encircle the world.

 

[WelshLadGriff]

You two still quarreling about something that's been going on for the past 5 years?