I tend to want to agree that this is a people watching too much FOX news issue.
This is literally a problem, of people in sound family structures, getting outraged at the thought of others having sex - without permission (marriage, too young, ... whatever). Because society tells them to replicate their social structures. And also, that they cant have sex with everyone they want to. So they are angry - and complacent at the same time.
Now enter FOX news, that tells them that their morals is the most important guideline of judgment they should have in their lives - and so are their emotions. And all of a sudden you have a bunch of idiots at hand, that - first and foremost are against free sex and against dealing with unwanted consequences in a way, that doesnt take nine months and a child away from a women, that doesnt want to go that path.
And then they think, that the real question here is, that as males, should we even talk about those issues, because the real decision lies with the women...
Are you legally allowed to vote? Have you ever held an argument you didnt just go into with your feelings? Do you understand the concept of thinking about stuff, that doesnt affect you personally. Are you able to follow this logically?
So - and after you have all layed out your concepts of sex after social permission, and everyone get into conservative family structures - and hate on teenagers, while watching FOX news, and getting into politics, because of morals and feelings - let me lay out one thing to you.
You didn't even take one second to try to understand the notion, that there are individuals in broken family structures, that have no support there, whom might not be mentally ready for additional challenges at the point in their lives they are at, who despair at the notion of having to raise a child, and at the same time at just giving it away after birth. Who might be pressured into marriages or relationships if they keep the child, beaten if they mention it to their own parents, getting into abusive tendencies, because of societal pressures on how to deal with this "properly", or simply unable to accept the responsibility that comes with raising a child.
Let that sink in for a moment, before you are duplicating FOX news messaging again.
Those situations arent going away. Your grandmother isn't going to help them. Neither is all of the peach tea you could produce over your lifetime.
Challenges can be overcome, and mastered, and it is good to encourage people to try to do it - but if they cant - you dont leave them and announce "I cant deal with your decision based on moral grounds". Then you are just another ahole.
You deal with this by having legal venues that allow people to get abortions no silly, demeaning, nonsense questions asked.
They have to deal with the bunch of you peach tea sipping folks for the rest of their lives for 'what they have done' - but you have no power to influence their decisions, in the moment, directly.
Ideally.
And thats the correct opinion from a humanistic point of view. Eff morals, because they are still used as replacement for people having to think for their own. So they are very popular. Coincidentally they are also used to farm peoples votes based on familiarity with certain slogans.
(FOX news pundits and conservative talk show mavens really ought to go to hell for what they are doing knowingly here. But of course there is no devine judgement or justice. Sadly.)
If you get away from the opinion that all life is sacred you are trying to have this dealt with in ways that are not inducing more harm, or selfharm, or suffering.
We in Europe often think that americans are some deranged kind of sociopaths that point at a flag, whenever they've done stuff the entire world thinks makes them look deranged, and the "pro LIFE" advocacy movement taking away legal abortions from people is one such thing.
We have conservatives as well. Ours are content with making sure that you cant advertise abortions, and have strict rules for when the rights fo the unborn child actually override the rights of the mother. And that people have to pay for their abortions in full on their own (In other countries in europe they dont have to). No one sane is questioning the right of people to have legal abortions here. Leave that to our crazed neighbors watching FOX news overseas.
Freaking hell. Talking about social norms. I wouldnt even talk to someone in my country, holding that opinion without calling them a radical. But I always have to make exceptions, because of americans who were unable to keep their religious right under control right?
Peaches.
