I started another thread, but my title was so off, I figured I try again....yes I'm a noob LOL I have wiiflow working fine with HBC. Forwarder isn't playing ball. I followed the instructions and dl the 2.2-RC-1-(No-Dol).zip file and the the wiiflow compiled zip file corresponding to the CIOS version I want to use. I put the files at the root of my SD card, per the instructions. I now have the following, SD\apps\wiiflow\boot.dol SD\apps\willflow\icon.png SD\apps\willflow\meta.xml SD\apps\wiiflow\wiiflow.ini SD\willflow\..a bunch of stuff, themes, etc. I've tried the 304-249 and 250 cIOS files. Willflow works fine via the HBC with either one of those. So far so good right.... I used the wad manager 1.7 and loaded the wiiflow forwarder file, actually tried a few different ones, Using wad manager and selecting the corisponding cIOS file (249 or 250, etc), loads fine. The 3 different files I tried are: -8-bit_Playground (WiiFlow - WBIT.wad) -StarNight_NForwarder58-WSNF.wad -Orchid Forwarder-WBJF.wad If I understand correctly, any of those should work as they are just differnet backgrounds/themes. Each time I tried 249 or 250 I had to replace the SD\apps\wiiflow\*.* files from the cIOS file, then I had to be sure to select the same cIOS when I installed via wad manager. If I read the instructions correctly, so far so good. Still, after all of this, HBC runs willflow fine, key point. In all cases bebove, the Wiiflow channel is added to the Wii home screen. With 249, I see the wiiflow channel and I could click on it, but not able to start it (no START button). With 250, I could see and start it, but it would try to load,then RESET on it's own and take me back to the wii home screen, never loading willflow. I must be missing something really stupid here, because I have both the Configurable USB loader and USB Loader GX working fine in both HBC and on my wii channel screen. I just can't get the wiiflow channel forwarder to launch correctly. I have 2 of the 3 working, so wtf? I just did my mod yesterday, so all sw should be the latest version. My wii is 4.3u. HBC working fine, etc. Here is my syscheck log here I have two questions, 1. what went wrong with the wiiflow forwarder? 2. Looking at my syscheck log, should I be concerned about anything? Ok, I'm wide open for the firing squad. What stupid thing did I miss with this loader forwarder? Thanks!