Hacking GW multirom demo

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Still sucks for them though, but it's no reason for you to get all worked up over it. I'd be very bummed if my 3DS were bricked, and something tells me you would be too. I'll admit, showing compassion is probably not warranted, but it doesn't justify disrespecting those people who's 3DS were bricked. I guess that's the point I was trying to make before.
 
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So as long as nobody dies we are fine with it...

I wasn't comparing the facts but the reaction of people to them.
Glad to hear you all donated..

I could have known it was the wrong Forum...
 
And all I was trying to make is I don't agree with what happened, but gateway can't be held responsible for what other do without permission using their code, gateway owes nothing to anyone but their customers, no amount of Dramatising will change that
 
but they skip those and boot donkey kong. iffy

I'll just leave this right here.



And all I was trying to make is I don't agree with what happened, but gateway can't be held responsible for what other do without permission using their code, gateway owes nothing to anyone but their customers, no amount of Dramatising will change that

Are you really justifying their addition of bricking code to their firmware?
 
If you read the post I said that it's a bit mean but I'm fed up of people acting like a broken console = dead people! it simply doesn't and anyone making such analogies should really consider other peoples feeling who have lost friends and family in the disasters they love to try compare to this completely insignificant event in comparison

It's sad that people seem to think it's ok to try depreciate what really happened in truly bad events to exaggerate a situation that is truly insignificant in comparison

Dude... seriously... you are in a console dedicated forum. What's the worst thing that you can read there? Guess what.. yeah, dead consoles. That's why you have to read all the "overreaction" in the messages.

Now lets imagine this situation:
Nintendo kills 3ds consoles to prevent hacks ---> reaction: OMG, Nintendo is the worst! they should go bankrupt, they should return the money to everyone. I'm not buying anything from them. How could they kill the consoles to prevent pirated game clones?! @#~@|@#\\!!!
GW kills 3ds consoles to prevent clones ---> reaction: people who buy pirated clones deserve it. It's good they did that. pirates are evil. how could they buy a clone? if they didn't know it was a clone then they deserve it even more.

The level of hypocrisy in this forum is too damn high! But I guess you can't expect much from a ~15 years old little boy/girl.


PS: I'm NOT talking about you, I don't even know you, or your age, so don't take it personal. It's just the average age people who defend those acts have, and you can tell by lack of maturity and common sense they have.
 
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It's not an analogy, it's supporting that fact that regular people are extremely selfish. Which is basically true.


I donate to childrens hospices and disaster relief quite frequently, yet i don't give a shit about other people bricking their video game console.
Especially not if they did it by supporting and buying obviously shitty product.
 
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Look at this wording:

So far, many isolated brick incidents that were blamed on us have been debunked in one way or another and turned out to be associated with use of the clones modified versions of our official release files.

It's so brilliant. But fluffing up the sentence with just the right words, they essentially admit that some brick incidents due to gateway have not been debunked. They say many of the brick incidents that have been blamed on them have been debunked, yet they make sure not to use words like all or none. Reads to me like they have had some legit bricks due to their hardware, but they of course will never say so like that.
 
You seem to be forgetting the fact that people have had their 3DSes bricked after only using their Gateway cart. No matter how much testing is done on a program/coding, there will eventually be glitches that happen.

Yes, but it won't occur unless you are not using an original cartridge.

People had their 3DS bricked because they were using a launcher that has not 100% matching the MD5. No matter what flashcard you use, if the launcher presents any kind of problem your ds will be bricked. BUT! if the magic happens in the flashcard instead of the launcher, there is no way it go wrong. Again, only if you don't have an original card (a false copy) or your gateway is damaged.
 
I am not convinced that there is enough evidence to unanimously declare that Gateway intentionally designed their launcher.dat to brick the consoles of 3ds users. If we assume that they did, however, it is unlikely that they'd need to put it in for Gateway 2.0 as well.

This is based on the information from Gateway that 2.0 will necessitate an FPGA update.

First of all, it is currently impossible for the existing clone carts to update their FPGA without some kind of hardware mod because of the way they have terminated the JTAG connectors on their FPGA to the back of their cart which the 3ds has no contacts for.

Secondly modifications on the FPGA will make it much easier for them to prevent the clones from copying their work by placing checks that make sure all the board components are all in order. In fact coming up with such countermeasures may be what has caused the release delays for 2.0.

Finally, they could also use the FPGA update procedure itself as a form of copy protection by making it do something like linking the 3ds with the Gateway Cart which would in essence make it impossible for clone manufacturers to just rip the code from the FPGA of a updated Gateway cart and apply it to their own cart through another interface such as the microusb port on the MT-Card or by making a new clone with an exact copy of the FPGA from a sample updated Gateway Cart.

They could even act really tricky about it and instead of using the copy protection to outright prevent copying, just allow the FPGA to work in crippled mode, making it crash frequently and corrupt save data. This would have the effect of giving the clones a reputation as being substandard products.

Thus, in all honesty it would be to the overall benefit of Gateway users if the rumors regarding a Gateway authored intentional brick turned out to be true. If this were the case, Gateway could just remove it in 2.0 and replace it with FPGA related protection. This would mean that Gateway 2.0 users would pretty much have zero chance of bricking their consoles due to the use of Gateway.

My opinion, however, is that the bricking problem is far more likely to be caused by a rare issue that can occur on Gateway because of a bug or due to the fact that the exploit their software is based on may be a bit unstable and unpredictable. This was probably simply exasperated by the clones when they copied the Gateway software and haphazardly modified it to work on their own carts.

If this is the case, then the bricking issue will very probably still persist in Gateway 2.0 since as of date, Gateway appears to have been unable to replicate the issue that causes it.
 
The thing is, if Gateway owned up to the bricking claims and genuinely apologized for it, they'd get so much more respect. I doubt they ever will, and that's sad.

The thing is still unclear for everybody and even more for Gateway as they're the one who must investigate on this, I think they could endorse the bricks if they could investigate on those, like the bricks some legitimate users around here claimed, if they'd send their units to Gateway we'd know better, for now we dont really know what cause those bricks to happen on genuine cards and if those really happen as there's no genuine proof but more legit claims...
 
The thing is still unclear for everybody and even more for Gateway as they're the one who must investigate on this, I think they could endorse the bricks if they could investigate on those, like the bricks some legitimate users around here claimed, if they'd send their units to Gateway we'd know better, for now we dont really know what cause those bricks to happen on genuine cards and if those really happen as there's no genuine proof but more legit claims...

It's not even about that, but about the brick code being present in their launcher. It didn't magically get there. That was written with the specific intent to brick a user's console. I don't think it matters who that was intended to affect. What matters to me is that they intended to render someone's 3DS inoperable. That's what they need to own up to.
 
This is so typical. As long as I am not affected, why should I care (for others)

A storm in the filippines. Should I donate to support people there? Guess not, it wasn't my house that blew away.

Besides, it's their fault. They should have built it more robust in the first place..

Someone sees the ironically resemblance or is this the wrong forum for that?


i dont know where you live in germany but would you say the same if your house was soaked deu to the heavy rainfall in the alps... i would say that you should have a "more water-proof" house...
 
It's not even about that, but about the brick code being present in their launcher. It didn't magically get there. That was written with the specific intent to brick a user's console. I don't think it matters who that was intended to affect. What matters to me is that they intended to render someone's 3DS inoperable. That's what they need to own up to.

Yeah I guess you're right about this, imo the sanction is way too radical, even if I'm not against the idea of a kind of "punishment" for non genuine users of their work.
 

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