Ground Zero Mosque. Yes or No?

[Overlord Nadrian]

The war on global terror is a joke, and you know it.

sorry, but this point isn't true. Islamophobia is a joke and just stupid, but terrorism is not.

You misunderstood what I said. Terrorism isn't a joke, anti-terroristic measures are. Try proving me wrong.

 

[Mid123]

I dont see any problem with this

 

[BlueStar]

Michael R. Bloomberg is a former Wall Street mogul with a passion for the rights of a private property owner. He is a Jew whose parents asked their Christian lawyer to buy a house and then sell it back to them to hide their identity in an unwelcoming Massachusetts suburb. And he is a politician who regards his independence as his greatest virtue.

That potent combination of beliefs and history, those closest to Mayor Bloomberg say, has fueled his defense of the proposed Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan — a defense he has mounted with emotion, with strikingly strong language and in the face of polls suggesting that most New Yorkers disagree with him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/13/nyregion/13bloomberg.html

 

[Urza]

Do you know how much real estate costs in NYC? A fuck-ton.

If the locals don't want it built there, they should start a fund to purchase a lot elsewhere. The affiliated Muslims shouldn't be the ones to have to spend the immense and unnecessary amount of time, effort, and money to scout out a new location. If you don't put action behind your words, they're worth nothing.

That being said, this is really a non-story. It's an easy topic for people to pick sides to hate and discuss, because as we all know the last thing the average person wants to do is think. It has no effect on the well-being of our nation, or the world as a whole, as both continue to face real problems with far more dire consequences.

The news hype-machine at work. Stay ignorant, America.

 

[TrolleyDave]

...or if say Shinto priests wanted to build a temple in Pearl Harbour.

There's one right around the corner.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source...hnear=&z=12

Your point being?

 

[xxteargodxx]

I don't live in NY so I'm not bothered by what is put up over in that state.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

After reading a bit more about this on Serebii (of all places), I found out there actually used to be a mosque there, which was destroyed in the attacks, too. You can't beat the fact that the muslims have every right to build a new one.

 

[liquidnumb]

...or if say Shinto priests wanted to build a temple in Pearl Harbour.

There's one right around the corner.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source...hnear=&z=12

Your point being?

Do you think it shouldn't be there?

 

[TrolleyDave]

Do you think it shouldn't be there?

As I said before I find it morally objectionable.

 

[0ddity]

Do you think it shouldn't be there?

As I said before I find it morally objectionable.

Pretty much too bad. Equal protection under the law for everyone is a fundamental of the US Constitution. I find the WBC morally reprehensible, but I wouldn't try to take away their right to protest.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Do you think it shouldn't be there?

As I said before I find it morally objectionable.

Pretty much too bad. Equal protection under the law for everyone is a fundamental of the US Constitution. I find the WBC morally reprehensible, but I wouldn't try to take away their right to protest.

And I wouldn't try to take away their right to build to the Mosque, but at the same time I will object to it. That's one of the joys of living in (reasonably) democratic secular societies. We are free to voice our disapproval.

 

[chiseen]

The funny thing is: there has been a mosque 4 blocks away from ground zero for a while now. If people who oppose the mosque, yet support religious freedom in general want the mosque to be built somewhere else, the only question I have for them is this. Exactly how far is acceptable? Where do we draw the line between to too close and far enough?

IMO this should be a non-issue. If you can build it, then build it.

 

[0ddity]

Do you think it shouldn't be there?

As I said before I find it morally objectionable.

Pretty much too bad. Equal protection under the law for everyone is a fundamental of the US Constitution. I find the WBC morally reprehensible, but I wouldn't try to take away their right to protest.

And I wouldn't try to take away their right to build to the Mosque, but at the same time I will object to it. That's one of the joys of living in (reasonably) democratic secular societies. We are free to voice our disapproval.

Maybe you wouldn't, but many others would, and are trying to. That's the problem.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Maybe you wouldn't, but many others would, and are trying to. That's the problem.

I agree, you can't have freedom unless you're willing to see and hear things that anger or repulse you. It should still never stop people raising a voice against those things though. Forcibly stop them, no. Appeal to them through protest in the hopes of changing their view or what they do, yes absolutely. Although there are rare times people should be forcibly stopped obviously.

 

[Schizoanalysis]

All religions kill... (eg. Christians in "the New World" America)

Singling out Muslims is just scapegoating.

 

[jgu1994]

In fairness, we've been building 'ground zeros' near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.

I'll just leave this here...

 

[Slyakin]

In fairness, we've been building 'ground zeros' near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.

I'll just leave this here...

QFT.

This is a perfect example of how INCREDIBLY STUPID the people of America are. We destroy, and ignore the evidence. The few extremists that attack US are suddenly put in the spotlight as fucking examples of Islam, even though they are CLEARLY not. There is something wrong with the media, and I am getting really pissed about it.

 

[monkat]

In fairness, we've been building 'ground zeros' near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.

I'll just leave this here...

QFT.

This is a perfect example of how INCREDIBLY STUPID the people of America are. We destroy, and ignore the evidence. The few extremists that attack US are suddenly put in the spotlight as fucking examples of Islam, even though they are CLEARLY not. There is something wrong with the media, and I am getting really pissed about it.

It's called capitalism. Ratings means money, and nothing gets more ratings than stretching truths to blame a group of people.

 

[Westside]

My father has came up with a beautiful argument on this topic as it was discussed today at the dinner. Americans claim to be a country of freedom while in reality they refused to let this thing happen. If a church was to be built here instead of a mosque it would not be fought against, but because it is associated with Islam it was frowned upon. If you want to say this is a holy war against Islam then come out and say it, because that's what they are doing right now by taking away right to own this religious property. This is a war against terrorism not Islam. If a bunch of people of certain ethnicity killed thousands of people in New York are you saying that other people of their ethnicity has to have their ethnic freedom taken away? "No, black people you cannot build a community centre here because we are afraid of you." I hope America is a little more liberal than that.

 

[Slyakin]

In fairness, we've been building 'ground zeros' near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.

I'll just leave this here...

QFT.

This is a perfect example of how INCREDIBLY STUPID the people of America are. We destroy, and ignore the evidence. The few extremists that attack US are suddenly put in the spotlight as fucking examples of Islam, even though they are CLEARLY not. There is something wrong with the media, and I am getting really pissed about it.

It's called capitalism. Ratings means money, and nothing gets more ratings than stretching truths to blame a group of people.

You are so true, and that is what pisses me off to no end. At least there are SOME people that agree with me. My whole class has even started to think of me differently now because of this. The bullying is also getting out of control.

The only thing that cheers me up is your avatar.