Geohot Talks About Graf_Chokolo

[antwill]

artin]
If Geohot had a decent lawyer, that lawyer would have told him to keep his fucking mouth shut ages ago. The things he's saying may have meaning and such, but the manner in which he's going about stating these things can only hurt his defense...

So, your saying that keeping his mouth shut and not defending himself is making everything worse?
That does not make sense, if he didn't talk about what is happening, he wouldn't be at a good state right now.

Also, your saying that defending yourself ain't defending your self, oh that makes perfect sense.

Now I'm no lawyer or armchair lawyer like most people in this thread, however I'm pretty sure going on TV and saying Sony are suing him because he "made them mad" was a pretty stupid thing to do. Also obligatory "he's an attention whore" comment.

Oh I see, you guys are trolls, that makes sense. You say he is an "attention whore" for stating the truth to tell everybody what is really going on, and you insult him for that. that is so professional like. Let me just say one thing. You "your an attention whore" people are trying to get your own attention.

Oh I see, you don't understand that someone can 'tell the truth' as you say, and not come off as an attention whore.

 

[ManFranceGermany]

German police do those things? ...mh...good to know

 

[Canonbeat234]

One, who typed that for him? His lawyers that generous people are donating to him?!
Two, A baby whines...where's his milk (attention)?
Three, If Graf_Chokolo wanted to invest knowledge on his brain. Why not invest it on something that's not illegal to begin with?! Criminal Minds, M I RIT?

This is why I said grow up. You said the exact same thing for Geohot. Hacking and allowing homebrew IS NOT ILLEGAL. And yet you still call them criminals. I'm just starting to wonder if you're not just plain jealous that these guys are getting so much attention for something awesome.

He taunted Sony to do something and that's his result, you can't expect a company to smile while you're mooning at them. He was warned so my sympathy for this person has wanned due to the fact he ignored the warning and continue acting like one of those Xbox live trolls. Personally, I don't care if 'HOMEBREW' is illegal. Doesn't give him or anyone the right to continue their business will exploiting it to the whole community.

Imagine if you had a company that was easily exploitable, you is losing money and revenue due to the fact of that one problem. Now you tried to stop that problem by being 'reasonable' and tell the person to STOP. They continue on doing it for the lulz, giving you the middle finger. Are you going to smile and let them keep on disrespecting your wishes or are you going to get your point across by any means neccessary.

That what happened to Geohot, he tempted the company to do something and now he's getting his just desserts.

 

[SnAQ]

Oh, Geohot spoke. Must we worship the very words he talks about? What a goddamn attention whore.

Geohot: "I got a Coke."

Everyone else: ORGASM

Guess what, there´s LOTS of people in the world who isnt you and perhaps find stuff like this intresting and want to read about it.

But i guess you are one of those "cool internet kids" that act like you are supercool and everything on the internet, while in real life you are a scared little boy without friends.

I feel sorry for you, i really do.

If you dont want to read about Geohot or news related to the lawsuit, DONT FUCKING CLICK THE LINK and stop posting worthless shit on the internet, you are wasting people bandwidth.

 

[RoyalCardMan]

artin]
If Geohot had a decent lawyer, that lawyer would have told him to keep his fucking mouth shut ages ago. The things he's saying may have meaning and such, but the manner in which he's going about stating these things can only hurt his defense...

So, your saying that keeping his mouth shut and not defending himself is making everything worse?
That does not make sense, if he didn't talk about what is happening, he wouldn't be at a good state right now.

Also, your saying that defending yourself ain't defending your self, oh that makes perfect sense.

Now I'm no lawyer or armchair lawyer like most people in this thread, however I'm pretty sure going on TV and saying Sony are suing him because he "made them mad" was a pretty stupid thing to do. Also obligatory "he's an attention whore" comment.

Oh I see, you guys are trolls, that makes sense. You say he is an "attention whore" for stating the truth to tell everybody what is really going on, and you insult him for that. that is so professional like. Let me just say one thing. You "your an attention whore" people are trying to get your own attention.

Oh I see, you don't understand that someone can 'tell the truth' as you say, and not come off as an attention whore.

Who is the one giving him the attention? Ask yourself that, and you will know the answer to it. My answer is...
Your giving him the attention.

 

[retKHAAAN]

...so...somewhat back on topic...

has it not clicked with anyone that the PS3 isn't the first system ever that has been hacked/unlocked? where are all of the lawsuits from Nintendo regarding the Wii hacks? Where are the lawsuits from Apple regarding the iphone/ipod hacks? Why has Microsoft only been banning people with modded consoles rather than filing charges?

It is not illegal to hack/jailbreak/unlock hardware. These lawsuits are 100% intended to instill fear in those who might do so...

Sony cannot and will not win. They know this. What they can do though, is financially ruin anyone who attempts to circumvent their security measures.

 

[antwill]

Who is the one giving him the attention? Ask yourself that, and you will know the answer to it. My answer is...
Your giving him the attention.

That neither proves nor disproves whether or not he is an attention whore. Only confirming something I and everyone else specifically talking about him knows. It's pretty obvious when mentioning his name anywhere you are giving him positive or negative attention, that still doesn't mean he's not an attention whore...

Oh and Oldboy, while not illegal, it's not legal either... and as many have said, you have a problem with that? Then take it up with those who make the laws not Sony.

 

[retKHAAAN]

...while not illegal, it's not legal either...

make that make sense to me...

if it has not been ruled illegal in a court of law then it is not illegal. in order for the courts to find hacking/modding hardware an illegal act Sony has to prove that the hacks/mods are being done solely to allow for piracy or other illegal acts like computer fraud (good luck...) or identity theft. that would have been a whole hell of a lot easier for them had they not removed OtherOS. their case was shaky to begin with but removing OtherOS just gave the hackers another legitimate reason to open up the system.

 

[Sterling]

@Antwill: I might have agreed with your "Pretentious fag" comment before he was being sued by Sony. Now he is not only a figure head for the entire hacking community, but everything in this descision now hinges on him.

This is not my opinion. When this decision affects more than him, and more than the PS3, and since this decision now encompasses EVERYONE, it's not only fact, but you're a fucking block head for saying otherwise. However, if you were referring to the part where I agree with everything he says, then yes, that is my opinion.

Also, what message get's across globally without attention. Show me one example where a major legal precedent got no attention through any outlet of media, or word of mouth. One measly example of something that affected everyone on a global scale, that NO BODY every knew what was happening... Oh right, cause once you post something on it, it now draws my attention to it, so your example would be void.

I don't care what sort of attention he garners. Most people now know about this one way or another.

 

[RoyalCardMan]

Who is the one giving him the attention? Ask yourself that, and you will know the answer to it. My answer is...
Your giving him the attention.

That neither proves nor disproves whether or not he is an attention whore. Only confirming something I and everyone else specifically talking about him knows. It's pretty obvious when mentioning his name anywhere you are giving him positive or negative attention, that still doesn't mean he's not an attention whore...

Oh and Oldboy, while not illegal, it's not legal either... and as many have said, you have a problem with that? Then take it up with those who make the laws not Sony.

So, your saying that a person who has bought a product with his own money and modifies it at his own will without disrupting the online uses of the PS3 is ILLEGAL?
Haven't you read the law lately? Because, it would be better than having you spam this topic with non-sense.

 

[antwill]

So, your saying that a person who has bought a product with his own money and modifies it at his own will without disrupting the online uses of the PS3 is ILLEGAL?
Haven't you read the law lately? Because, it would be better than having you spam this topic with non-sense.

Oh RoyalCardMan, you're such an armchair lawyer...
Didn't you learn how to read? It's a grey area and at the moment you don't own the software that is on it, and only the hardware. It is the same for most things where you're just owning the license, like steam, you don't own the games only the licenses. The jailbreaking was only changed for phones as well. Please don't spam this topic with your nonsense. If you had read my post I said it is not illegal nor is it legally specified like the jailbreaking of phones. In fact this whole case is based on the fact that geohot assumes that the same laws for phones should apply, as copyright law is so far behind it hasn't covered this. Either way this case will set a precedent and it's up to how the judge rules to determine it.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

...But homebrewing is perfectly 100% legal. If he's putting linux back onto his PS3, how is that any different than installing a different kind of homebrew? He's not breaking any laws at all, no matter how you look at it. Sony just made it seem like he did.

 

[antwill]

...But homebrewing is perfectly 100% legal. If he's putting linux back onto his PS3, how is that any different than installing a different kind of homebrew? He's not breaking any laws at all, no matter how you look at it. Sony just made it seem like he did.

It's because Sony claims that opening up the system allows for cheating and piracy, which it does, however it doesn't mean everyone is going to be doing that.

 

[RoyalCardMan]

...But homebrewing is perfectly 100% legal. If he's putting linux back onto his PS3, how is that any different than installing a different kind of homebrew? He's not breaking any laws at all, no matter how you look at it. Sony just made it seem like he did.

It's because Sony claims that opening up the system allows for cheating and piracy, which it does, however it doesn't mean everyone is going to be doing that.

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This is what you are saying is.

 

[antwill]

...But homebrewing is perfectly 100% legal. If he's putting linux back onto his PS3, how is that any different than installing a different kind of homebrew? He's not breaking any laws at all, no matter how you look at it. Sony just made it seem like he did.

It's because Sony claims that opening up the system allows for cheating and piracy, which it does, however it doesn't mean everyone is going to be doing that.

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This is what you are saying is.

Oh really, Mr. Armchair Lawyer, care to explain then?

 

[KingVamp]

...But homebrewing is perfectly 100% legal. If he's putting linux back onto his PS3, how is that any different than installing a different kind of homebrew? He's not breaking any laws at all, no matter how you look at it. Sony just made it seem like he did.
It's because Sony claims that opening up the system allows for cheating and piracy, which it does, however it doesn't mean everyone is going to be doing that.

Does that mean they have no case and Geohot is right?

QUOTE(RoyalCardMan @ Feb 28 2011, 11:54 PM)

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[antwill]

...But homebrewing is perfectly 100% legal. If he's putting linux back onto his PS3, how is that any different than installing a different kind of homebrew? He's not breaking any laws at all, no matter how you look at it. Sony just made it seem like he did.

It's because Sony claims that opening up the system allows for cheating and piracy, which it does, however it doesn't mean everyone is going to be doing that.

Does that mean they have no case and Geohot is right?

Who knows, we'll find out after the case is decided on. No point in speculating.

Off topic: how do you add youtube videos to posts?

 

[Joe88]

Off topic: how do you add youtube videos to posts?
CODE[youtube]youtube_video_id_goes_here[/youtube]

 

[ShadowSoldier]

Off topic: how do you add youtube videos to posts?
CODE[youtube]youtube_video_id_goes_here[/youtube]

the random letters after the v=

Anyways, can we stop posting youtube videos in this thread?

 

[RoyalCardMan]

It seemed that posting one was the only way to prove the point because this guy was making what we call "blah blah" statements.