Hacking Gateway3DS firmware mirror?

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OT:

bandwagon around that
anti flashcard bandwagon
There is a simple reason for this and you just have to look at the Switch scene: It's a total mess and it brought in a tons of lawsuits against minor things. The homebrew scene is in great danger because of the legal pressure from Nintendo. Not also this, it also split the whole scene.
Commercializing also isn't the "spirit" of Homebrew. You are just getting another DRM on top of your existing DRM.
The manufacturers also always copy code from open source projects and make tons of money from it without giving anything back.
With Luma3DS we finally have a solid foundation and it would be foolish to say that Gateway still has a purpose. And remember that Gateway still has brick code - even if it might not brick for you, it's totally unacceptable.

physically add hardware extensions
This is something that would be interesting, yes, if it could be even done. But you wouldn't need a flashcard for that. Look at the Vita scene: Solid homebrew scene, tons of great projects and the only hardware you might need is an SD adapter which is open-source. Flashcards are never good for anything and are just used as the last resort.

neez moar RAHMS
ironic, because GW has no other purpose.
 

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The homebrew scene is in great danger because of the legal pressure from Nintendo.

No it's not, libctru is an open source library, none of that code is owned or controlled by nintendo, if you make homebrew using nintendo official sdk, then they can take you to court for dmca/ Intellectual property theft


team xecuter was not the first company to get shut down, nobody remembers lik-sang?



It was done before on nds, gba, and hell original gameboy,

Forgot about gameboy printer and camera and other physical hardware addons, dmg gameboy/pocket even had a fish finder cartridge..., nds motion cards, romeo2 (homebrew dsp cartridge for nds that plugs via slot 2, moonshell had support for it), dserial, dserialedge, dstwo,

It can be done, it was done before on prev gen, people just want to run emulators and roms from an sd nowadays, if i could get blank pcbs, i could at least make a gpio board, using the eeprom lines, which is just a serial connection, i2c iirc, connect a microcontroller and now you can write software to communicate using the cartridge eeprom, the microcontroller takes this and can be connected to a 4g modem, this can be done with one arduino board and 3ds edge connector; https://bit.ly/3lEetQM, i know the 3ds cart spec is much faster than nds and dsi, which was a limitation, alot can be done with a simple microcontroller and a fpga....


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Flashcards are never good for anything and are just used as the last resort.


ironic, because GW has no other purpose.


Where do you think the term flash cards come from, back when you took a dmg or nes cart, pulled the mask roms, and replaced them with flash or eeproms, now i have a reprogrammable cart using a programmer, and if it has the correct mapper, i can also play any game,

thats how homebrew code was run on consoles before sd and cf cards were commonplace, you could reprogram them in a flash, and were usually homemade devices

gameboy was the most famous for homemade flash cards https://reinerziegler.de.mirrors.gg8.se/readplus.htm#Home made carts

flash cards are tools and serve a purpose, nintendo even makes flash cards for devs fyi

flash cards got more complicated because the hardware they run on became more complicated, and use CF or sd card, which also requires overhead to read and access them, unlike a direct eeprom




Again running unsigned is running unsigned code, the end result is the same

Only thing Gateway really lacks is rosalina, problem is that gateway encrypted their stuff, you cant complain because r4 and m3 ds did this too back in the day, people just figured out how to decrypt the firmware and now wood r4 and ysmenu exists, and is more stable then ofw and luma, luma likes to throw arm11 randomly when i run stuff or it doesn't work correctly, i run through gateway it runs fine (certain emulators and retroarch, and ntrcfw), depends on luma's mood i guess

Both can install cia's and can run homebrew, and run fine if setup correctly,
Cart emulation is faster imho than having sit and install cia's, homebrew and emulators dont take long, but installing several GB of cia can take awhile even with my uhs-I it tops 2.5MiB/s (n3dsxl), meanwhile i can drag and drop to the red card several GB 10-15MB/S and ready to go




Not also this, it also split the whole scene.

Commercializing also isn't the "spirit" of Homebrew. You are just getting another DRM on top of your existing DRM.

The manufacturers also always copy code from open source projects and make tons of money from it without giving anything back.


Nobody seemed to care when dstt were bricking cards, hell there were even viruses that bricked your nds...... all you had to do is download a compromised nds rom and boot it and enjoy the brick wall or hentai slideshow

Im not saying people should use gateway over luma, people should experiment, when you run any unsigned code youre doing it at your own risk, you should be aware that any console that runs homebrew code is technically no longer a game console, but is now effectively a personal computer, you write code for it, it will execute it, it is up to the dev as to what he wants to achieve whether for good intent, whether for malice, whether for profit, whether for shits and giggles...

Thats why you can buy cheap 3rd party accessories, because people revserse engineer it and make compatible clones (flashcard, controllers, power supplies, etc)

You should expect people to profit from this and sell the work, look on ebay at all the people who sell modding services, using free and open tools, for xbox,3ds,wii,etc, they install exploits, and effectively sell piracy (install games/roms)

all they do is take 5 min to use a softmod, to install homebrew channel, b9s and Luma3ds, etc, people should expect work to be used for profit, they dont have to be okay with it, just like nintendo expects people to hack consoles, they dont like it however....




 
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Most of this comment was badly thought out, so I'm going to counter most of it since I'm waiting for something:

Commercializing also isn't the "spirit" of Homebrew. You are just getting another DRM on top of your existing DRM.
You're playing on a commercial device - the 3DS. Where are you drawing the line? If you're drawing the line after things you've already bought, that line is in a different place for different people. Some people already bought a flash cart, and it's wrong of you to say that can't be a positive thing for homebrew just because for you to benefit you'd have to buy something new.

The manufacturers also always copy code from open source projects and make tons of money from it without giving anything back.
That sucks, but Gateway is out of business. Buying or using their flash cart now isn't supporting the company.

With Luma3DS we finally have a solid foundation and it would be foolish to say that Gateway still has a purpose.
Gateway obviously still has a purpose - playing .3DS files. It would be foolish to say otherwise, no? .3DS is far more convenient than .CIA. It also allows for a second microSD card.
 
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People forget Gateway was the first cfw, before luma3ds,b9s,a9lh even existed, they actually were the first ones to hack the 3ds, via mset exploit, things really got rolling after smea got involved with ninjahax....

People were happy to buy upchared cubic ninja carts, just to run hombrew, which was a worthless game beforehand

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In which way?

installing several GB of cia, can take hours even with a high class sd (i use UHS-I), and you need double the space to hold the cia, and to also install it


with .3dx i can transfer several GB once, in under 5 minutes, and it's immediately ready to go no installing, and is separated from console sd, put 256gb in the red card and 256gb in the console and storage is not an issue (fucking 3ds with half a terabyte...gotta see if that works....), just boot select and run, just like using any other flash card,



what can't i do in gateway mode that i can in luma..... nothing, because i have unsigned code execution, i can run any arm9/arm11 code and make it do what i like
 
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I installed my games through a python script. Works perfect and faster as fbi

Yep, but now i have to install python then also download custom install, then i have dump my console specific keys for the filesystem, custom install can work, i still have run a program so the software actually shows up on the homescreen and is recognized

It may be faster, but you're still going around your elbow to get to your ass


all i need to use is windows file explorer, no additional software needed, you can't get any much quicker that dragging from my desktop directly to a microsd

you don't need python, don't need console specific keys, and don't have to do any configuration or need to boot anything on the console, takes minutes using file explorer and simply insert in 3ds and boot, everying is there and immediately ready.


and while custom-install exists, i already can tell that someone who isn't computer savvy or inclined would find it very confusing and somewhat difficult, if they don't know how to dump the binaries (seedb, otp, etc), don't know what python is, and just know how to follow instructions and drag and drop files....
 
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-N...281388?hash=item42249f9bac:g:ndYAAOSwYxFfsaJ3

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=3ds+modding+service&_sop=12


that's okay, but buying a flash card that does the same isn't

that's the hypocrisy i dont get, people gonna shit all over flash cards, but don't care people charge up to $400 for pre modded systems, and sell luma 3ds, install roms and everything

doesn't make sense





from my use, and fairly and honestly comparing the two

their is no real big difference, both are region free, support cia, support n3ds


they both run pirate roms

they both run custom themes

they both run homebrew launcher

they both can install cia's

they both run unsigned code

they both do the same thing!
 
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No it's just better because it's free, opensource, more options and actually works on the latest firmwares.
And so easy to install (no need of external expensive hardware, EmuNands, frankenfirmwares...), and is having support yet

But, ultimately, is a decision of each one to use that he/she wants
 
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And so easy to install (no need of external expensive hardware, EmuNands, frankenfirmwares...).

not everyone is a total noob with computers, and don't use em with a 10 foot pole

imho $15 usd is quite expensive for my new boxed gateway when i got it from axiogame even the free shipping from china cost a fortune *sarcasm*
 
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to add:

I originally used luma3ds and don't have an issue with it, is great to have as a backup,


i bought the gateway card one because $15 bucks was a steal and gateway is gone so axiogame was selling it at a loss anyway, money was going to axiogame

i knew it was possible before to get it to work on any sys ver, because b9s

i don't care about the bricker, because NTRBOOT, this is not new with flashcards

it was part experiment and part just because i can, shits and giggles cause i knew it would irk some people

it helps people who still have a red card to still use it if they want, if they prefer luma that's them

i literally bought a red card, because instead of just telling people an opinion, i'd actually take the time to get it to work, took less than a day when i originally got my card, and that was going from not ever using gateway, to having it functioning on the latest fw, took me less than a day.....

at the end of the day, gateway isn't a bad card or cfw, they simply made stupid choices as a company
 
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you wasted ~60 bucks and a whole day to get something discontinued to work that you could do for free instantly, with less hassle AND support? You say you are "not a noob" but someone who really knows his stuff would just use the obviously still maintained method. It's like still using Windows 7.
 

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you wasted ~60 bucks and a whole day to get something discontinued to work that you could do for free instantly, with less hassle AND support? You say you are "not a noob" but someone who really knows his stuff would just use the obviously still maintained method. It's like still using Windows 7.


you did not read any of my prev posts

i paid $14.95 cent for my new in box gateway red and blue card, from axiogame.com

people still use win xp, i work at a bank and they still use win7.....
 
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you did not read any of my prev posts
Yes I ignored them because I don't have any interest in arguing with ignorance and "opinions". I just saw the notification and replied to the last post. You seem kinda upset with Luma and obsessed with Gateway in some way. It's working for you now, no? My original comment just added some context for people seeing this thread and thinking they maybe should get a discontinued flashcard.
 

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I just want to clarify that I don't personally have anything against GW. And I agreed, indeed, about if you already have the GW card then better use it than waste it, if you will and if you can (in fact, I originally recommended to the OP using GW + B9S).

But, facts about Luma CFW and its benefits are there, after all
 
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point out the fact i didn't pay $60 just saying, if you argue atleast read my rebuttals


i don't care what you use, im just giving my honest opinons after using both luma and gateway for over like 2 years, yes luma is maintained and you should use that,

my guide was geared towards people who already own a gateway card, they install luma3ds and b9s anyway so why does it matter?

im not telling people to pay 60 bucks for a gateway, but if you can pay under 25 bucks why not?

I put the effort to help people who want to do as they wish do so, if they like using gateway so be it, i don't care if you ditch gateway over luma, i use both, as the only reason i bought it was because the card was cheap and still new sealed, if i find an mt card or dstwo at that price i'll buy them too and do the same
 

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I still have my GW cards. I'm thinking about selling them for like $10. they're not doing much good now that I've switched to Luma.
 
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