Flash Kits Illegal in France

[T.Kuranari]

I read this news somewhere else a week ago or so, but flashkits are not only rules illegal in france, but in most european countries as well.
As far as a homebrew only flashkit goes, there is one (iPlayer). Yes it can play GBA games, but an emulator is also homebrew. The only problem with the iPlayer is that it still contains a pirated part of a commercial ROM in its bootstrap for bypass the security measures in the DSi system and thus it is illegal. I'm not sure a 100% legal flashkit for DSi systems is possible. A DS/DSlite is another story, though.

 

[Hotzdevil]

this will never happen here in India !

even here in brazil

Stranger things have happened, never say never....

Well though stranger things may have happened, the probability of the lawsuit getting solved here in India in the shortest possible time is quite unlikely because the Courts here in India are suffering with major backlog of cases that need to be resolved. If it happens and that's a big "IF", it'll take quite long time for it to happen. Lol, the downside of the fact that there aren't any real resellers here means that we only get R4 and not flash kits from other manufacturers which is really disappointing.

 

[camus24]

i think Nintendo has to protect their source of resource, and a great part of people just use the flash cards to run roms, and the best example are the updates for the woods "

• drawing last item in small icon mode fixed.
• saving in 'miffys world (europe)' fixed.
• 'solatorobo - red the hunter (usa)' fixed.
• force save size to 512K for 'tony hawk's proving ground'.
• force save size to 512K for 'pocket scenario series - harukanaru toki no naka de - mai hitoyo'.
• force save size to 512K for 'chikyuu no arukikata ds' series.
• force save size to 512K for 'pop cutie!'.
• force save size to 512K for 'puzzle mate ds' series.
• force save size to 512K for 'pururun! shizuku-chan aha' series.
• force save size to 512K for 'dragon ball kai - saiyajin raishuu (japan)'.
• force save size to 512K for 'tennis no ouji-sama - motto gakuensai no ouji-sama - more sweet edition'.
• force save size to 512K for 'kilari - na-san, mon meilleur ami (europe)'.
• 'dragon quest monsters - joker 2 (europe)' fixed."

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If you read just appear fixes for roms, for commercial games, in the update don't appear nothing related with homebrew thats the principal problem, i'm not going to denied I used the R4 and I still have the mine (a original one) but have been like 8 months I don't used it, now I prefer to buy the original game and support the industry...

 

[hkz8000]

i think Nintendo has to protect their source of resource, and a great part of people just use the flash cards to run roms, and the best example are the updates for the woods "

• drawing last item in small icon mode fixed.
• saving in 'miffys world (europe)' fixed.
• 'solatorobo - red the hunter (usa)' fixed.
• force save size to 512K for 'tony hawk's proving ground'.
• force save size to 512K for 'pocket scenario series - harukanaru toki no naka de - mai hitoyo'.
• force save size to 512K for 'chikyuu no arukikata ds' series.
• force save size to 512K for 'pop cutie!'.
• force save size to 512K for 'puzzle mate ds' series.
• force save size to 512K for 'pururun! shizuku-chan aha' series.
• force save size to 512K for 'dragon ball kai - saiyajin raishuu (japan)'.
• force save size to 512K for 'tennis no ouji-sama - motto gakuensai no ouji-sama - more sweet edition'.
• force save size to 512K for 'kilari - na-san, mon meilleur ami (europe)'.
• 'dragon quest monsters - joker 2 (europe)' fixed."

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If you read just appear fixes for roms, for commercial games, in the update don't appear nothing related with homebrew thats the principal problem, i'm not going to denied I used the R4 and I still have the mine (a original one) but have been like 8 months I don't used it, now I prefer to buy the original game and support the industry...

Isn't it alright to have the rom for backup purposes as long as you have the original game?

 

[corenting]

This news is a bit old...
But where I will get my flash kits now ?
Fortunately, there are China shops for us to have flash kits.

I don't know why there are making them illegal.
I know 99% of flash kits users are pirates, but it's like making Bittorent illegal because we can use it for downloading illegal contents.

 

[wasim]

this will never happen here in India !

Yeah because they don't even retail over here :biggrin:

it's actually available in banglore !

that's where i bought mine !

 

[chyyran]

you can not import, sell, or distribute flash kits in france any longer. this is similar to what happened in the UK and japan.
the grey area is now black and white. its illegal and there won't be a legal loop hole to get around it.

-another world

No legal loophole eh? I can think of one just now. Sell an unfinished product. Flashcart resellers can take apart the cart and sell that. Snap together a few pieces and screw 1 or 2 screws at home, and there you go. Of course, not all carts can be taken apart and reassembled, but most can, including the dstwo.

It, techincally is not a flashcart until assembled.

 

[ferret7463]

To Another world, "the last gba rom dump was 2009? the gba has been dead for a long time but there are still flash kits being manufactured for it. there are still kits for the gameboy color," Where can i get a GBC kit?

 

[Clydefrosch]

Isn't it alright to have the rom for backup purposes as long as you have the original game?

only if you would be backing up your games yourself. though thats a grey zone too as far as i remember. if anything comes close to being legal, its copying your very own game and forever keeping that very original game (meaning youd need to recopy if you ever lost the original game and got a new one)
since you probably go and download your backups from the internet, its illegal.

I read this news somewhere else a week ago or so, but flashkits are not only rules illegal in france, but in most european countries as well.
As far as a homebrew only flashkit goes, there is one (iPlayer). Yes it can play GBA games, but an emulator is also homebrew. The only problem with the iPlayer is that it still contains a pirated part of a commercial ROM in its bootstrap for bypass the security measures in the DSi system and thus it is illegal. I'm not sure a 100% legal flashkit for DSi systems is possible. A DS/DSlite is another story, though.

homebrew ok, but emulation is by default still not legal. nintendo still has dibs on all its old games, as does every other company. having the emulator itself isnt illegal, but using it with anything but selfbackupped roms and again, homebrews for the emulator, is not legal anymore.
+whatever it is with that pirated part, its probably comparable to the ps3 key story a while back, since the keys are property of sony?
doesnt matter. iplayer comes close, but would still fall into a place where nintendo cares to get rid of it

 

[Panzer Tacticer]

Nintendo is clearly going to succeed occasionally eh.

Not much of a win though.

 

[Thrust]

Oh No!

We are all accustomed to our All-For-Free-Game-Socialism with the cheap excuse - "I'am only using it for Homebrew!". How dare you, Nintendo! I will never again... ahh.... well... buy?... No... download?... steal... anything from you... yeah, right!

Oh no, someone needlessly instigating an internet arguement! Seriously I could understand if ANYONE in this thread were being OMG NINTENDO NO FAIR RAGE RAGE RAGE but no one is, so instead you just look foolish coming into a topic looking for a fight.

 

[pistone]

also if im not wrong in france emulators are illegal too

 

[Deleted User]

*looks at my flag*
*plays on R4*

 

[Another World]

Where can i get a GBC kit?

PM me and i'll dig up some links to GBC carts which you can purchase. most carts are being made for little sound DJ but they will also point out that you can run back-ups on them. i'm not sure what the compatibility is.

-another world

 

[Bobbyloujo]

One by one, nations are falling to the power of Nintendo. I hope this epidemic doesn't hit the US.

 

[Another World]

in the update don't appear nothing related with homebrew thats the principal problem...

homebrew support by wood is pretty much where it needs to be. the chances of a homebrew being released which needs to have a fix applied is pretty slim. the last one i can think of was operation libra, a homebrew many flash kits still do not support.

the reason we are seeing rom fixes the last few months is because nintendo changed their official AP routines. at one point we had generic routines which could be circumvented with some code, which is why most games would play as soon as they were released. the new AP is more annoying. i think kirby had something like 300 checks that had to be manually patched.

the point i'm trying to make is that roms require fixing so you will see rom fixes, where homebrew usually does not.

-another world

 

[Rydian]

they dont give a damn about hardware sales. even though nintendo made slight profits from hardware, the money is in software sales.

I won't argue for a second that software sales don't have profit margins that make shareholders wet themselves in glee, but hardware can still give a nice return over nothing.

so by buying a ds, they make a profit of like 10$ but loose hundreds in software sales.

I'd be careful about the phrase "lose" there... after all, if the comparison is not buying a DS versus buying a DS to pirate on, just because one option is piracy does not mean the other option is buying the games. After all, what use is a DS game cart without a DS unit? And I couldn't/wouldn't have bought the DSiWare I have without the DSi.

Anyways, you gotta' remember it's "copyright infringement" instead of "theft". There's no physical loss, so try not to be fooled into thinking there is one (big companies will do their best to trick you into thinking there's an actual physical loss). And not to mention that many of the popular piracy numbers that have been tossed around are bullshit..

 

[notmeanymore]

What's wrong with that Datel Games n Music cart? I don't see why homebrew fans can't use it instead of some miracle homebrew card that may never come out.

 

[camus24]

in the update don't appear nothing related with homebrew thats the principal problem...

homebrew support by wood is pretty much where it needs to be. the chances of a homebrew being released which needs to have a fix applied is pretty slim. the last one i can think of was operation libra, a homebrew many flash kits still do not support.

the reason we are seeing rom fixes the last few months is because nintendo changed their official AP routines. at one point we had generic routines which could be circumvented with some code, which is why most games would play as soon as they were released. the new AP is more annoying. i think kirby had something like 300 checks that had to be manually patched.

the point i'm trying to make is that roms require fixing so you will see rom fixes, where homebrew usually does not.

-another world

thats my point, the people can't use the argument "the XX flash card allows us to run homebrew, don´t do any damage to the companies" because always the updates for the flash cards are made to fixes problems with the roms (don't bring backups to the discussion, because with a high probability the people download the roms but don't have the original game). If really the flash card is just for homebrew, then why keep releasing fix for commercial games?... don't had any sense and Nintendo don't believe it. and i know the homebrews are made to work in the current flash card firmware systems and not need upgrades, another point to my argument, if the different homebrew can work well on the actual firmware, we don´t need more updates...thats why this are illegal and Nintendo fights to keep it in that way...

 

[Jan1tor]

One by one, nations are falling to the power of Nintendo. I hope this epidemic doesn't hit the US.

Are they really falling to the "Power" of Nintendo or is it reality is just setting in. True.... flash cards can do homebrew, music, & video. But in reality the majority of cards are used for roms. I'm just as guilty. But I do also buy games, probably more than most. If they really wanted to market a card for homebrew only it would be very simple to design the card to NOT PLAY ROMS.