Faith Healing - Needs to be known

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You have most probably heard of Faith Healing and it's seemingly miraculous power to heal anybody of any illness or condition no matter how severe. About one hour ago there was a program called 'The Specialists - Miracles for Sale' featuring the well known mentalist Derren Brown. Click to watch on 4oD Their aim was to help expose faith healing for what it really is; fraud. By the end they had not managed to gain much of an audience and thus did not make a huge impact on people's views about the matter. I believe that more people should know about this and it should widely exposed.

Just to prove how dangerous this can be listen to the story at 33:02. It's terrible.

Have you ever experienced or been to one of these? What do you guys think on the matter?
 

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Faith healing is a known fraud. The only ones who actively believe it are very religious people. Most people have the common sense to know when they should get themselves or their family to an actual medical establishment though. The inability to recognize that faith healing doesn't work leads to nothing but unnecessary deaths and complications.

There have been many cases of children dying thanks to the miraculous power of faith healing.
 

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Ah i love Darren Brown. He's one of my favourite mentalists

EDIT: You wouldn't happen to have another link would you? The video is not available in Australia :/
 

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ShadowSoldier said:
It's called faith dude. You might as well be saying their religion is a fraud too. It's all about faith. Just let them be.

I won't being an ass and speak my mind about the first part, but "Faith healing" is fraud, no matter what it is. It's like saying "faith will heal my transmittable diseases". I don't care if you think your "faith" will heal it, you put OTHERS at risk.
 

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shinkukage09 said:
ShadowSoldier said:
It's called faith dude. You might as well be saying their religion is a fraud too. It's all about faith. Just let them be.

I won't being an ass and speak my mind about the first part, but "Faith healing" is fraud, no matter what it is. It's like saying "faith will heal my transmittable diseases". I don't care if you think your "faith" will heal it, you put OTHERS at risk.

When your faith starts affecting the lives of others in fatal ways, you need to take a step back and review what you believe.
 

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Surely everyone who says that faith healing isn't real isn't a Christian. Jesus healed a blind man and also reattached someone's ear.

I'm not saying that everyone who claims to be a faith healer (especially if they charge money) is real, but I find it probable that true healing miracles can exist.

In the words of Gilbert Keith Chesterton, possibly the best author of the 20th century, " A false ghost (or a faith healer in this case) disproves the reality of ghosts exactly as much as a forged banknote disproves the existence of the Bank of England..."
 

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Nathan Drake said:
shinkukage09 said:
ShadowSoldier said:
It's called faith dude. You might as well be saying their religion is a fraud too. It's all about faith. Just let them be.

I won't being an ass and speak my mind about the first part, but "Faith healing" is fraud, no matter what it is. It's like saying "faith will heal my transmittable diseases". I don't care if you think your "faith" will heal it, you put OTHERS at risk.

When your faith starts affecting the lives of others in fatal ways, you need to take a step back and review what you believe.

Exactly this.

Also, warning bells are going off in my head. The temptation to reply to tatripp is too strong. Should I leave this topic before I get yelled at?
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ShadowSoldier said:
It's called faith dude. You might as well be saying their religion is a fraud too. It's all about faith. Just let them be.
Not when people do that rather than get ACTUAL medical help...

And yes, religion is a fraud as well. Look at Scientology.
A failed pulp (fiction printed on cheap pulpy paper) writer was able to found a VERY successful religion.
 

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Hey Shinkukake, before you yell at me. I want you to understand me
I think most of these "faith healers" are complete idiots and dirty thieves and horrible people. Anyone who does stuff like this for money should not be trusted and possibly fined or arrested or something.
I'm just saying that it isn't impossible. I believe in miracles. I believe that they are very rare but that they can happen. that is all i'm saying.

I don't want you to get the wrong idea about me. I'm not some crazy guy who goes to church and pretends to speak in tongues or someone who shakes and falls over because the holy spirit. After knowing that, go ahead and criticize me all you want.
 

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twiztidsinz said:
ShadowSoldier said:
It's called faith dude. You might as well be saying their religion is a fraud too. It's all about faith. Just let them be.
Not when people do that rather than get ACTUAL medical help...

And yes, religion is a fraud as well. Look at Scientology.
A failed pulp (fiction printed on cheap pulpy paper) writer was able to found a VERY successful religion.

I won't say anything more then this about religion: The US's current "main" religion came from a guy who had a dream. Too many years ago.
 

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I watched a deaf girl receive her hearing, first hand. No man shall convince me otherwise.

Those who accept payment for it, are frauds; that much is true.
 

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tatripp said:
Surely everyone who says that faith healing isn't real isn't a Christian. Jesus healed a blind man and also reattached someone's ear.

I'm not saying that everyone who claims to be a faith healer (especially if they charge money) is real, but I find it probable that true healing miracles can exist.

In the words of Gilbert Keith Chesterton, possibly the best author of the 20th century, " A false ghost (or a faith healer in this case) disproves the reality of ghosts exactly as much as a forged banknote disproves the existence of the Bank of England..."

Right, but said banknote doesn't prove the existence of the Bank of England either. I haven't seen or heard of any instances of miraculous healing backed by strong evidence, only unlikely yet positive outcomes in rare circumstances. Also consider that for every medical "miracle", there are many more cases that ended badly. Even something that is unlikely will happen eventually given enough chances to occur.

Jesus is just lucky that there wasn't such a thing as video proof or advanced forensic investigation when he did these miracles, assuming they were ever done. It's not surprising that people are victimized by scams like faith healing when they'll believe seemingly impossible things happened while demanding relatively no proof to back it up.
 

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twiztidsinz said:
ShadowSoldier said:
It's called faith dude. You might as well be saying their religion is a fraud too. It's all about faith. Just let them be.
Not when people do that rather than get ACTUAL medical help...

And yes, religion is a fraud as well. Look at Scientology.
A failed pulp (fiction printed on cheap pulpy paper) writer was able to found a VERY successful religion.

Oh I won't deny that religion is a joke (in my eyes), but it's still about having faith and believing. And if people can't really see WHY people are religious or believe in faith healing, than religious people have every right to insult Atheists and say that they flaunt their mouths everywhere.
 

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ShadowSoldier said:
twiztidsinz said:
ShadowSoldier said:
It's called faith dude. You might as well be saying their religion is a fraud too. It's all about faith. Just let them be.
Not when people do that rather than get ACTUAL medical help...

And yes, religion is a fraud as well. Look at Scientology.
A failed pulp (fiction printed on cheap pulpy paper) writer was able to found a VERY successful religion.

Oh I won't deny that religion is a joke (in my eyes), but it's still about having faith and believing. And if people can't really see WHY people are religious or believe in faith healing, than religious people have every right to insult Atheists and say that they flaunt their mouths everywhere.

To be fair, I'm insulted every time a religious recruiter doesn't respect the fact that I've selected atheism instead of a religion.
 

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The only time faith healing works is when you have a problem that can be beaten with mind over matter.
Like something you take placebos for. Y'know, like when your little brother is scared of the dark and you give him sugar pills saying they'll make him braver...it'll work if he believes it'll work.

It's a sham and a fraud in the same way placebos are. Too bad some people are too stupid to realize that and ruin lives because of it, while giving con-artists tons of cash.
 

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I love how you all are arguing amongst yourselves, even though you all pretty much agree.

Guess I'll have to expound on my point some more to even catch anyone's notice.

Faith healing. Possible. To reiterate my earlier post's point, I witnessed the deaf hear, and 2 people with scoliosis stand up straight. On separate occasions. Hundreds of us(Christians, that is) could all gather together and pray over someone and nothing could happen, and that's just how it is. We all accept it as part of the divine plan, and move on. Other times, 10 of us pray over someone and they're healed right before our eyes. Also accepted as part of the plan. The faith healing most of you are talking about -- $2500 and a prayer later, you're healed -- is as bad, if not worse than the Roman Catholic Church selling indulgences.

Frauds exist in all cultures, all ways of life, everywhere. I'm sure there are people who abuse Islam or Buddhism for money too.

(And because I know someone's gonna bring this up, I'll just preempt you:) Everyone is how they are for a reason. Whether it be sin in your life(this is very, very rare. God isn't gonna give you cancer or the flu for lying to your grandma or something), natural happenstance, or a perfect plan to put you in just the right place at just the right time.

Okay. /rant. Lets see what you guys got.
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I'd reply, but I ain't getting into a religious discussion at 3 in the morning. That, and I'd probably just get a warning for it. And enemies.

All I'll say is that religion is a farse. Nothing more then false hope. You want false hope, fine. That's your choice. Don't affect my life with it.
 

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I don't consider myself religious, although I'm not an atheist either since I do have BELIEFS about things....(Don't flame me but - I believe that there's things/forces in the universe beyond our comprehension - the use of the word 'God' is just our way to try to understand it)

After reading some of these comments - IMHO, I also don't believe in faith healing & it's a dangerous thing to rely on.

If you have Cancer or something 'incurable', you shouldn't think that a Faith healer will somehow miraculously remove it from your body. You'll think you're cured - don't bother going to the Doctors & then find that the cancer (or whatever) has spread

- BUT the point made about 'illnesses' cured with Mind-over-matter is something I DO believe works. The bit about the placebo 'brave pill' can work - & if Faith Healers can 'trick' (sorry - can't think of a better word) you into curing you of your fear or 'illness' - then great.

As for 'Miracle cures' - I believe these CAN happen without Faith Healers or Professional medical.
I've read many stories of people 'suddenly seeing/hearing' again - or that 'Cancer disappeared after my treatment was stopped' or 'I was in a Coma - they turned off the equipment & I woke up' etc.

That's what makes them 'Miracles'
 
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