I have Darkcorp, gamma disc loader, usb loader gx, and configurable usb loader installed on my Wii. I am currently using it just to run games from backups, not usb, but I will use the usb loaders to load some games that don't work with the darkcorp or gamma. for that i just hook up a usb key with no games on it to gain access to the usb loaders. I have been burning games to several types of media, maxell and a generic brand. both work with some games and still do with games I recently burn on those discs. Some games, like I said, only seem to work in usb loader gx, like new super mario bros. For that game, if I use just the disc loaders I get a read disc error after I get into the game but just as it is loading a new game or save up. This is fixed when ran in usb loader gx. Well some games on these same media seem to have this error no matter what loader I run them in. currently I am having trouble with Guilty Gear XXACP and Mario Galaxy 2. Guilty Gear messes up when initial loading, but Mario Galaxy 2 messe sup once I get in and go to acually load up a new game. I can not seem to play these games at all. I tried tweaking the settings I am aware of in the loaders but to no avail. I am thinking it may be bad burns, because one game got disc read errors before and then another burn solved it but with these games and some others, I forget which now, even multiple reburns don't work. I have looked up various compatibility lists posted in forums for loaders and I recall one saying guilty gear NTSC only works if it is unpatched. I am not aware what patched and unpatched mean for games, I just download them and burn them. I usually go for NTSC even though my system is region free, and I often download the scrubbed versions for faster download. Anyone have any clue what might be going on? I am on 4.3U, all the loaders at latest release, region free, using IOS 249. I have also tried using a few other IOS's but they never even get into the game at all in the case of mario galaxy 2. It seems weird to me that I could get into the game but then it disc errors only when I go to actually load a new game up after it makes a profile for me and saves it. Although this happens for new super mario bros unless i run it through usb loader gx, not sure why. I think I recall having a similar problem with some games on another wii using usb loader gx and a usb hard drive, where sometime the game wouldn't rip thorugh the system properly the first time or wouldn't work properly and gave disc read errors unless I tweaked some settings like error002 fix and don't recheck IOS. this doesn't help now with the dvd-rs. I have also tried various options for region settings like forcing and default to disc or system, etc. I don't know how to use usb loader gx's load from a different dol option, but I have heard that fixes some games. don't want to get into that if I don't need to though. I can't seem to find any info on getting these particular games to work. any help would be great, and ask we anything i left out that could be helpful of course. I can't help but think it is a media or burn problem even though I tried several times with the same media that works for other games, using the same burner. would these games stand a better chance of working if I use them through a usb drive instead? cheers.