Commissioned translations?

Discussion in '3DS - ROM Hacking, Translations and Utilities' started by upfromtheskies, Apr 3, 2015.

  1. upfromtheskies

    upfromtheskies GBAtemp Regular

    Mar 21, 2015
    United States
    Would anyone here be interested in doing a commissioned ROM editing and translation?
  2. FAST6191

    FAST6191 Techromancer

    pip Reporter
    Nov 21, 2005
    United Kingdom
    No for several reasons and that extends to many others here. There may be others willing but you will have to do that in private.

    The big two reasons

    1) The legal issues would be a nightmare. Companies turn a blind eye to ROM hacking but if money gets involved then lawyers perk up.

    2) It is unlikely that you will be able to offer more than a token sum. The going rate for programmers/developers is not terribly cheap after all.
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  3. Pedeadstrian

    Pedeadstrian GBAtemp's Official frill-necked lizard.

    Oct 12, 2012
    United States
    Sandy Eggo
    You mean some companies turn a blind eye to ROM hacking. Then you got bastard companies like Square Enix and others that give C&D notices.

    To the OP: it would probably be quicker and cheaper to just learn Japanese/Kanji (which I assume is the language you want translated). Put an hour or so a day aside to learning and you'll be playing Japanese games in no time.

    GHANMI GBAtemp Advanced Fan

    Jun 10, 2012
    There's pride involved in:
    a) wanting the translation to reach as many people as possible, not just one person, and not having it just die
    b) not really accepting a paltry sum of money like 100~500$ for months of hard work
    c) when it's money involved, the love and passion kind of get lost and it becomes a less noble thing

    That's not to say it doesn't happen.
    There's the obvious example of "D" and the company he works for purshasing unreleased rare Megadrive RPG localizations just to hoard them and release their own versions, but that's not really relevant here since they got permission (and appropriately paid) the Japanese/Chinese devs before selling their reproductions.
    However, I have seen someone selling reproductions of NES games like the Jp version of "Yo Noid" and "Doki! Yuuenchi Crazy Land Daisakusen" for the Famicom, with the minimal text and graphics translated to English (after profiting off fantranslations by other people and trying to gut intros "if you paid for this you got scammed", some eventually wised up and learned how to do it themselves?)

    But -- in these cases, an awful lot of buyers voiced their dissatisfaction with the quality of the translation - whether the text flow, the display bugs and crashes, the corners cut whenever possible...
    So the situation can be shitty for the client commissioning the translation as well :P

    And ---
    Companies often aren't thrilled at the prospect of someone else profiting off their IP. Examples:
    Engrish translations of Pokémon Gold/Silver before the official one, and of the Telefang games using the Pokémon name, getting C&D'ed by Nintendo of America.
    The translations themselves are a bug fest with abysmal text quality and game crashing bugs aplenty, and Telefang wasn't released eventually outside Japan, but copyright owners didn't like someone leeching off their work for profits.

    Square Enix issued a C&D on two notable cases:
    1° Chrono Trigger 3D remake: it reused the characters and assets in a way not controlled by Square and potentially damaging to the IP. It's a pretty reasonable train of thought for the sole reason if a company doesn't protect their IP in the US they can lose it.
    It happens frequently when there are ripped assets/characters/game names used - Super Mario 64 HD and Streets of Rage 2 for example.

    2° Final Fantasy Type-0: the translation patch itself was the entirety of the ISO data for both disks, making its take down more like a take down of a rom site.

    The Chrono Trigger Crimson Echoes C&D wasn't confirmed.
    Other high profile fan patches exist for other Square games and haven't faced their wrath - the Japanese overhaul hack for Final Fantasy VI for example.
    (Square Enix IS a bastard company for other reasons though)

    If you're looking for an evil company look no further than Konami. They were shutting down fan work very viciously even before the internet (Tokimeki Memorial, 1996)
  5. FAST6191

    FAST6191 Techromancer

    pip Reporter
    Nov 21, 2005
    United Kingdom
    To my knowledge there are all of three ROM hacking projects troubled by such things.

    1) 2005. Tecmo and Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball. . Dropped a few months later

    2) I believe 7th Dragon on the DS was forced out of existence. I don't know the specifics of this one and I believe the terms being largely undiscussed were also part of the C&D (common enough in legal actions)

    3) The Final Fantasy Type 0 PSP translation. Arguably justified both on account of it being a poorly made patch (including a chunk of code) and them having an upcoming release of the game, even if it was on a different platform. Many a translation/fan work has a line in the release notes to the effect of "if an official release is announced then it is gone", granted there is the whole horse has bolted thing but hey.

    Everything else tends to be a fan work (which trademark law kind of demands you do something about) or something similar.
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    GHANMI GBAtemp Advanced Fan

    Jun 10, 2012

    The Tecmo one may be because those were the modders behind the nude skins, and they were worried about the negative PR image their game might have as a result (from fanservice game to porn game).
    And the 7th Dragon was some rookie guy in Sega's legal dpt who never pressed on beyond the initial mails, yet the 1st translator stopped just to be on the safe side. (Chrono Trigger's retranslation patch was also taken down from the team's site alongside the 3D remake "just to be on the safe side" too, and it's not available on rhdn or anywhere else than rom sites, which is pretty idiotic imho).