Hacking Channels vs ELFs

[teq]

202 post or 8 posts does not make someones opinion or information worth less than yours so ............

The general concensus is that if you come to a forum and post nothing of merit, you are a troll.

Obviously with fewer posts, the less it takes for you to be percieved that way.


Look at all 8 of his posts and you'll see that most, if not all, are inflammatory.

 

[Anorhc]

"Oh great, another troll."

Oh another D_CK !!!!

never understood why people must act like that

202 post or 8 posts does not make someones opinion or information worth less than yours so ............

sorry hate seeing bs like that

no idea how many posts I have but I guess I woudl be a troll shakes head

It's all in a matter of trust. If someone came in and said:

"Nintendo is starting to ban people from WiFi" and has only 3 posts, are you going to believe them?

Are you more inclined to believe them if they have over 300 posts?

 

[skweezer]

202 post or 8 posts does not make someones opinion or information worth less than yours so ............

The general concensus is that if you come to a forum and post nothing of merit, you are a troll.

Obviously with fewer posts, the less it takes for you to be percieved that way.


Look at all 8 of his posts and you'll see that most, if not all, are inflammatory.

ok search my user on maxconsole forums, i have somthing like 500 posts. now does that make me better than you ? just becuase you have more posts than me on this forum doesnt make u better than be.

 

[jinxvorheeze]

Post count doesn't refer to Troll. A troll is someone who comes into a forum and does not post anything of importance or anything relating to the subject. Let's make a Sample topic shall we?

Topic: Elf's vs Wad's
Creator Post: You should use elf's instead of wad's because of..... and they list a decent arguement.

A proper second post would be:
1. An argument against the main topic creating conversation or a debate
2. Agreement with your own reasons why you agree
3. Asking a valid question which stays towards the main topic

A TROLL second post would be:
1. An insult without any relation to the topic
2. Stating which one you think is better with no fact based arguement (An example would be: "Wads are better IMO")
3. Asking a question which does not pertain to the orignial topic
4. Posting something that does not add value to the original topic (Like using "Agreed" as an entire post)

The amount you post does not actually have anything to do with being a troll. It is only connected with the title since people who troll forums typically post more than the average user since their posts require no thought at all. It has nothing to do with post count, or the size of your posts being small. It has to do with wether your post is relevant to the topic at hand, and actually adds something to the topic other than a generalized opinion.

As for this topic. I agree with Teq 100%. It is alot smarter to use an SD card then to use virtual console games or channel releases. Nintendo did not create the Wii with the assumption people would be adding and removing the entire storage capacity of the Wii on a daily basis like some people do with the WAD Manager. And to think otherwise would be ignorant. Is doing this going to break your Wii in the next few months? No. But that's not what Teq said. He said multiple times that instead of getting 10 years or so out of your Wii Nand that you would get with regular use, adding or removing channels from the Nand constantly is going to significantly shorten the lifespan to 5 or so years. So to the people who are using the NAND to store 30 VC games then switching them out every couple days, just use an emulator instead. Unless you really need to run the game from the NAND (such as wiiware or N64) it's silly to do so. It only takes another 30 seconds to boot Super Mario World from the emulator on the SD card, then it does to boot it from virtual console. Even adding and removing Emulator channels is silly since every time an update comes out you have to rewrite the file to the NAND of the system, instead of just replacing the file on the SD Card and booting from the HBC. It's not about accessing the NAND, it's about WRITING to it.

 

[zosh]

(...) with the assumption people would be adding and removing the entire storage capacity of the Wii on a daily basis (...)

... factoring in 100.000 write cycles per memory page before failure, it would take them about 273 years to break the Wii. But I agree: Math is hard.

 

[jinxvorheeze]

(...) with the assumption people would be adding and removing the entire storage capacity of the Wii on a daily basis (...)
... factoring in 100.000 write cycles per memory page before failure, it would take them about 273 years to break the Wii. But I agree: Math is hard.


You can't quote a partial of one of my sentences to make me sound dumb. I said:
QUOTE(jinxvorheeze @ Jun 6 2008, 08:49 PM)

Nintendo did not create the Wii with the assumption people would be adding and removing the entire storage capacity of the Wii on a daily basis like some people do with the WAD Manager. And to think otherwise would be ignorant. Is doing this going to break your Wii in the next few months? No.

I'm not going to start a flame war with you, my math skills have nothing to do with this topic. Just because you don't like my theory doesn't give you a right to insult me. I agree that it would take a while for them to break the Wii, but assuming hardware degredation would not factor in is also ignorant. And when you use the wad manager to add a file, that's 1 write cycle. Then you remove it, that's another. Then you add a new one, that's another. Now multiply that by how many ever games you are doing this process to. I didn't say you can't write to the flash for years like this, I said that assuming Nintendo created the hardware to be used like that is ignorant.

Let's look at it mathmatically. I am going to use your number of 100,000 write cycles as my example.
Start with 100,000 Cycles, and let's say you add 20 games to it, and switch those out every other day.
20x2=40 (one for the original and one for the erase)
40x182 (since you are switching it out every other day 365/2=182.5 I'll even give you the .5)
100,000/7280 (100,000 Cycles to begin with divided by 7280 cycles per year)
13.7362 Years. That does not include system updates or save games which are also written to the nand. Nor does it account for faulty sectors. Save games are written multiple times during play so you cannot justify that ammount by a number.

 

[zosh]

You can't quote a partial of one of my sentences to make me sound dumb.
Your conclusion doesn't suddenly become right by quoting the rest of the paragraph. I am truly sorry.

QUOTEStart with 100,000 Cycles, and let's say you add 20 games to it, and switch those out every other day.
20x2=40 (one for the original and one for the erase)

Sorry, but you're already wrong at this point. You are assuming that every time you "add a game", you are using one of 100,000 write cycles. Which is not the case. Every single memory page typically has 100,000 individual write cycles to use, and there's an algorithm in place evening out the write cycles across the NAND. By the way, the number of 100,000 write cycles per memory page is not according to me, but according to the NAND's data sheet.

Edit: Find the data sheet here, it also contains details as to the handling of errors.

So, if you completely overwrite the NAND's complete capacity once, then, and only then, you have used up one of 100,000 write cycles. For simplicity's sake, let's say you do this every day. Now continue your math exercise from here.