Capitalism v Communism

[Foxi4]

Just as a fun aside, I present to you... the gallery of communist produce.


Sugar - white, crystal


Flour - from Wroclaw (evolved into a brand after the system fell apart)


Tea - what kind? Oh, it's popular tea. The only kind.


Last but not least, the beloved, the one and only, the iconic... String of TP. Toilet paper-brand toilet paper. About as good as sand paper, but it had to do.

Y'all commies are crazy, you don't know what we know. Our asses remember!

 

[Xzi]

I hope you realise that brands under the same umbrella *also* compete with each other.

Ah the sugary sweet lies we tell ourselves...

since of course there's rationing, rationing always sets in eventually

Are we talking about communism or 2020 America?

 

[Foxi4]

oh yeah, the big banks will totally fail... totally.... 2008 nosies

It's not my fault your dumbass politicians bailed them out. If it was up to me, there would be no bailout. Sorry kids, you effed up, time to shut the doors. The protectionism needs to go, but that's not something that's coming from my side of the aisle - it's the left that's all about "stabilising" things that don't need stabilising.

 

[Xzi]

The protectionism needs to go, but that's not something that's coming from my side of the aisle - it's the left that's all about "stabilising" things that don't need stabilising.

So basically, you know there's a problem, but neither you nor the people you affiliate with politically have any intention of ever doing anything about it. Sounds about right.

 

[Foxi4]

Ah the sugary sweet lies we tell ourselves...

Anyone who has ever worked in any corporate structure of any appreciable size is familiar with the idea of a target, those exist not just on the level of an employee, but also on the level of the entire location, cluster, region all the way up to subsidiary. Claiming otherwise is uninformed.

Are we talking about communism or 2020 America?

Weird things happen when you trigger artificial recessions.

So basically, you know there's a problem, but neither you nor the people you affiliate with politically have any intention of ever doing anything about it. Sounds about right.

You don't know who I affiliate with politically.

 

[Xzi]

Anyone who has ever worked in any corporate structure of any appreciable size is familiar with the idea of a target, those exist not just on the level of an employee, but also on the level of the entire location, cluster, region all the way up to subsidiary. Claiming otherwise is uninformed.

And? Targets don't indicate that a brand is competing with other brands under the same umbrella, just that a company knows what their customer base typically looks like in terms of volume, so they set expectations accordingly. Oftentimes their expectations are unrealistic and they end up punishing low-level employees for high-level incompetence.

Weird things happen when you trigger artificial recessions.

In other words, weird things happen when you mismanage a pandemic and keep the entire country in a perpetual state of confusion.

You don't know who I affiliate with politically.

Libertarians. Republicans that like to smoke weed.

 

[Foxi4]

And? Targets don't indicate that a brand is competing with other brands under the same umbrella, just that a company knows what their customer base typically looks like in terms of volume, so they set expectations accordingly. Oftentimes their expectations are unrealistic and they end up punishing low-level employees for high-level incompetence.

I'm not going to explain to you how a score board works or how PNL influences a given location's budget - I'm not a tuition-free business school. Underperforming locations and brands are dissolved, *of course* there's inter-department and inter-subsidiary competition, that's why they have those targets in the first place. It measures and stimulates performance, and the parent company makes decisions based on that data.

In other words, weird things happen when you mismanage a pandemic and keep the entire country in a perpetual state of confusion.

The exact same thing happened across the entire globe, so I'm not sure why you're trying to use an anomalous data point to describe a trend. Whatever motivation you might have, it is erroneous by definition.

Libertarians. Republicans that like to smoke weed.

Libertarians are not Republicans who like to smoke weed. We're simply extremely liberal, to such an extent that even liberals are having a tough time understanding some of the concepts. In all fairness, I describe myself as a "lolbertarian" since mainstream libertarians (if you could call them that) are pretty cringe and poorly represent the mindset (among other reasons). On the flip side, it's hard to find a universal representative of a philosophy strongly focused on individualism. We have some things in common, one of those things is that we often disagree, so we agree to keep to ourselves and not tread on each other, pun intended.

 

[Xzi]

I'm not going to explain to you how a score board works or how PNL influences a given location's budget

Good because it doesn't matter. It's more about competing with the other megacorp that owns 8+ brands and keeping a baseline consistency with sales numbers. Competing with other brands under the same umbrella is an afterthought, if it's taken into consideration at all.

The exact same thing happened across the entire globe, so I'm not sure why you're trying to use an anomalous data point to describe a trend.

The same thing did not happen across the entire globe, some countries definitely handled everything much worse than others.

Libertarians are not Republicans who like to smoke weed. We're simply extremely liberal, to such an extent that even liberals are having a tough time understanding some of the concepts.

It's pretty easy to tell which of you actually believe in a high degree of personal freedom from those of you who only selectively believe in it to the detriment of certain "out" groups.

I describe myself as a "lolbertarian" since mainstream libertarians (if you could call them that) are pretty cringe and poorly represent the mindset (among other reasons)

You can say that again. A lot of pedophilia, racism, and bigotry has found a welcoming home in libertarian ideology.

 

[wolffangalchemist]

one of those things is that we often disagree, so we agree to keep to ourselves and not tread on each other, pun intended.

pun may be intended but it is still true, often people would rather argue then agree to disagree. but as the saying goes, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" that line being key, we all might not agree here but blood shed or rather in this case down talking, slander, or insults are unnecessary. some have trouble with that.

 

[Foxi4]

Good because it doesn't matter. It's more about competing with the other megacorp that owns 8+ brands and keeping a baseline consistency with sales numbers. Competing with other brands under the same umbrella is an afterthought, if it's taken into consideration at all.

Sure, you can carry on being ignorant of the intricacies of business.

The same thing did not happen across the entire globe, some countries definitely handled everything much worse than others.

If statistics from John Hopkins are anything to go by (hint, they are), the U.S. "handled it" exceptionally well compared to most.

It's pretty easy to tell which of you actually believe in a high degree of personal freedom from those of you who only selectively believe in it to the detriment of certain "out" groups.

Not especially. More freedom is always better than less, the cost of freedom however is often times some safety and security. All things that are great are born out of risk.

You can say that again. A lot of pedophilia, racism, and bigotry has found a welcoming home in libertarian ideology.

Character assassination? You can do better. Remind me, how many Democrats took frequent flights on the Lolita Express? I definitely remember Bill Clinton being on that list, I don't remember any mention of Ron Paul.

 

[erikas]

If communism is so good, why are people in communist countries not allowed to leave?

 

[BitMasterPlus]

If communism is so good, why are people in communist countries not allowed to leave?

Because those who want to leave fail to appreciate the glory of communism so they have to be forced to stay in their country until they do or else suffer the consequences lol

 

[Xzi]

Sure, you can carry on being ignorant of the intricacies of buisiness.

I've been a part of setting and adhering to far more sales targets than I would've preferred. There's nothing "intricate" about it, more money = good, less money = bad. Upper management is always a bunch of chimps in suits.

If statistics from John Hopkins are anything to go by (hint, they are), the U.S. "handled it" exceptionally well compared to most.

We were by far the worst in the world in terms of both infections and deaths throughout most of the pandemic, until Brazil very recently started catching up to us. No coincidence there, Bolsonaro is just as incompetent and oafish as Trump.

Character assassination?

Not at all, it's objectively a growing problem throughout most modern right-wing ideologies. Y'all forgot to apply the lessons learned from the paradox of tolerance, and so intolerance quickly became the norm and a guiding principle.

 

[Foxi4]

I've been a part of setting and adhering to far more sales targets than I would've preferred. There's nothing "intricate" about it, more money = good, less money = bad. Upper management is always a bunch of chimps in suits.

You do you.

We were by far the worst in the world in terms of both infections and deaths throughout most of the pandemic, until Brazil very recently started catching up to us. No coincidence there, Bolsonaro is just as incompetent and oafish as Trump.

By what metric? Deaths per million? Infections per million? Recoveries versus deaths? Or just absolute totals, which are meaningless when comparing countries of vastly different size? The numbers don't seem to align with what you're saying - things were far worse in the UK or Italy, the USA isn't even in the top 10. Is it a great result? Not by any stretch, but when you make a claim, make it specific. "We were the worst" says nothing.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Not at all, it's objectively a growing problem throughout most modern right-wing ideologies. Y'all forgot to apply the lessons learned from the paradox of tolerance, and so intolerance quickly became the norm and a guiding principle.

The paradox of tolerance is a cope intolerant people use to excuse their own prejudice as somehow more righteous than any other. Popper was an idiot. As for the "right-wing" moniker, that's the wrong axis. Libertarians occupy the lower end of the compass, they're not specifically left or right - more specific alignment depends on the person.

 

[Xzi]

By what metric?

By the metric that roughly two-thirds of our deaths were completely preventable, along with an even greater percentage of infections. Even BoJo the clown thought twice about the way he was handling the pandemic after he caught COVID. But not our plague rat in chief, he just tripled down on the stupidity, which is a big part of what lost him the election.

The paradox of tolerance is a cope intolerant people use to excuse their own prejudice as somehow more righteous than any other.

Prejudice toward neo-nazis and religious fundamentalists/extremists who would strip us of all our rights in a heartbeat is more righteous than prejudice toward groups simply trying to live their lives. That's just the way it is. If you choose live your life every day according to hateful and exclusionary ideology, nobody owes you anything, least of all tolerance.

As for the "right-wing" moniker, that's the wrong axis. Libertarians occupy the lower end of the compass, they're not specifically left or right - more specific alignment depends on the person.

Yeah I'm aware there are leftist libertarians, though many are embarrassed to identify as such for the same reasons you are. Easier to just call yourself an anarchist and explain things through that framing.

 

[Lacius]

You do you.
By what metric? Deaths per million? Infections per million? Recoveries versus deaths? Or just absolute totals, which are meaningless when comparing countries of vastly different size? The numbers don't seem to align with what you're saying - things were far worse in the UK or Italy, the USA isn't even in the top 10. Is it a great result? Not by any stretch, but when you make a claim, make it specific. "We were the worst" says nothing.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
The paradox of tolerance is a cope intolerant people use to excuse their own prejudice as somehow more righteous than any other. Popper was an idiot. As for the "right-wing" moniker, that's the wrong axis. Libertarians occupy the lower end of the compass, they're not specifically left or right - more specific alignment depends on the person.

It's not good when the United States makes up about 4% of the world's population, but it makes up 19% of the world's COVID-19 cases and 16% of the world's COVID-19 deaths. Some time before the former president left office, the United States made up closer to 25% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.

You talk about some numbers being "meaningless when comparing countries of vastly different size," but you are ignoring that most of these numbers of meaningless when comparing countries of vastly different population densities. Bahrain, Maldives, and Gibraltar are some of the world's most densely populated areas (#6, #9, and #5 respectively), so it makes sense that they are among the top 10 countries with regard to COVID-19 cases per million. The United States is #15 on the list of COVID-19 cases per million, but it's #185 on the list of countries by population density.

You can have some fun with these resources on how the United States, and the former administration, utterly failed in its response to COVID-19. The United States, with a population that is 4% of the world's population, should have made up less than 4% of the world's COVID-19 cases, not significantly more than 4% of the world's COVID-19 cases.

• https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/
• https://coronavirus.house.gov/news/...-administration-s-failed-coronavirus-response
• https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html

We know there are very specific things the former president could have done to mitigate the effects of COVID-19, but he didn't do them, and we know there are things he did that exacerbated the problem. China and India both have the United States beat when it comes to population and population density, but the United States beats both countries significantly when it comes to COVID-19 cases and COVID-19 cases per million. I'm not sure how it could be more objective than that.

 

[SG854]

When you mention the word covid it summons Lacius. Keep the topic on Capitalsim v Comunism. Don't wanna see this thread diverge like all the others.

 

[Lacius]

When you mention the word covid it summons Lacius. Keep the topic on Capitalsim v Comunism. Don't wanna see this thread diverge like all the others.

It isn't my fault. It's a side-effect of my vaccine.

 

[pustal]

Question: y'all realise there is a whole spectrum - or rather multi-dimensional spectrum of ideology in between those two, right? From democratic socialism to social democracy and even to some forms of libertarianism.

The world isn't black and white and political ideology isn't binary, even though American media and some others like to portray it.

 

[Lacius]

Question: y'all realise there is a whole spectrum - or rather multi-dimensional spectrum of ideology in between those two, right? From democratic socialism to social democracy and even to some forms of libertarianism.

The world isn't black and white and political ideology isn't binary, even though American media and some others like to portray it.

Our two-party system also contributes to the false dichotomy.