Canadian Copyright Bill

[Inunah]

They can't pass this! Colin Mochrie says no!

 

[fgghjjkll]

Yes, I want this bill to be passed in Canada. So I can sing 'Oh Canada...The land of anti-piracy and copyright bill...'

I don't get it?

I don't get it either. In the US, you're even allowed to backup your own media, unlike the future Canada...

 

[TM2-Megatron]

I don't get it either. In the US, you're even allowed to backup your own media, unlike the future Canada...

No, technically the DMCA makes the exact same thing illegal in the US that they're trying to do in Canada. Basically, you're allowed to backup your media, but if it uses any kind of DRM (which any DVD or Blu-Ray, and some audio CDs do), that right is taken away. The reason you think it's "allowed" in the US is because the law is impossible to enforce; as it would be in Canada. I'll continue backing up my DVDs, Blu-Rays, and ripping my CDs whether this law passes or not. And so will everyone else.

 

[Skyline969]

Oh well, I guess I'll just stop torrenting and go strictly with Usenet, and make sure to keep Peerblock fully updated. 9/10 times they catch someone it's because they're uploading, so if I use Usenet that should make me good to go.

And also, who's gonna bust into my apartment and perform a "random modified consoles check"? Seriously. Good luck enforcing the law if this bill passes, Canada.

 

[Rogue Trader]

I'm pretty sure that this is not only ridiculous, but completely unenforcable. The resources required to prosecute would far outweigh the benefits, and that assumes they can even get that far. As for back-ups, as far as I, and pretty much everyone else is concerned, I bought the movie, etc, if I wanna back it up it's my own damn business.

I would be worried about where it's heading though.

 

[GundamXXX]

Hah

Glad I live in Belgium! Here we still have to decide wether we are going to give away unlimited broadband ;p

But Canadia.. RIP pirates

 

[GundamXXX]

If I download retro roms and emulators like snes, nes, etc, will I get billed for this?

I'm Canadian.

Depends on if they are still produced.

The law in Europe is like that atleast. If a game is no longer being produced and the availabilty is non excistent yes you are allowed to obtain it from the internet aslong as its for personal use only thats why noone, read Ninty Sega etc, about us downloading SNES games etc because they know that if people have a Wii and notice how fun the old SNES games are then Ninty brings em out as WiiWare combo packets and voila more money for them

Like I said this is the law in Europe.. might be diff in Canada

 

[Marauding]

Yes, I want this bill to be passed in Canada. So I can sing 'Oh Canada...The land of anti-piracy and copyright bill...'

i don't like you.

 

[Infinite Zero]

Yes, I want this bill to be passed in Canada. So I can sing 'Oh Canada...The land of anti-piracy and copyright bill...'

i don't like you.

i believe he doesnt like u and candians.

 

[Deleted member 186944]

this bill is almost perfect basically if they pass it then anyone breaking digital locks which besides CD's means backup anything digitally or cracking your phone, wii or even owning a flashcard becomes illegal wither it's for fair or illegal use.

I'm fine with this bill since ISP's won't shut people down that's just bad business, without pirates who use the internet 24/7 they lose quite a bit of cash. So aslong as the digital lock BS is changed I'm fine with this

Oh and by the way I'm Canadian I screwed up on the country choice thing and can't change it

 

[TM2-Megatron]

Indeed. As it is now, it's better worded than the American equivalent. But the digital lock provisions (which the DMCA also has) have to go; that's mostly what the US lobby groups are fighting for... but their arrogance in this is absolutely staggering. To think that those groups should have more influence over Canadian policy than the people who voted the government into power is disgusting, and only proves how behind the times and desperate they are. I feel sorry for those in the US, where the government is even more beholden to such groups.

If the digital lock provisions are taken out, this bill will go from being a little better than the US DMCA to a lot better. But either way, for individual people that particular part of the law is impossible to actually enforce... whether it changes or not, people will continue to backup their DVDs, etc. and not give this law any thought. Flashcarts will still be easily and readily available from online stores... nothing will truly change.

 

[DSGamer64]

Canada is quickly becoming a USA wannabe thanks to the Conservative government. This is nothing short of a fascist attempt at controlling digital media but in the end they won't be able to enforce most of the bill. So what if they put DRM on CD's, people just won't buy them, they will either switch to digital media or pirate music to avoid the DRM.

 

[TM2-Megatron]

Canada is quickly becoming a USA wannabe thanks to the Conservative government. This is nothing short of a fascist attempt at controlling digital media but in the end they won't be able to enforce most of the bill. So what if they put DRM on CD's, people just won't buy them, they will either switch to digital media or pirate music to avoid the DRM.

DRM'ing audio CDs would be next to impossible, with the millions (if not more) of CD players already in people's homes. The most they could do is include software on it that limis what people can do with it on a computer, and that was already tried... and it failed. There were some CDs that wouldn't play on a computer unless you installed a "special" player software that came on the CD and autoran when you put it in a computer. There was also Sony's rootkit fiasco. Nobody will try any of that again.

You're right, though, these kind of laws only encourage more piracy. Ironic, considering that's exactly what the lobby groups pushing for these measures are trying to prevent. They just don't seem to have a proper understanding of the way things work in the modern world, though. They're trying to go about business as usual circa 1980, and trying to pretend that the Internet doesn't exist, and has no impact on their business model. It's sad, and in the long-run not very viable. These industries will fail completely if they don't change their ways.

 

[DSGamer64]

Sony was putting DRM on CD's at least 5 years ago, if not more. I have at least 1 CD that Sony was the producer of that has DRM on it, Stand Up by Dave Matthews Band which was pulled from shelves because the DRM put spyware on computers.

 

[Deleted member 186944]

I lol'd and got angry when the Minister of Industry was on CBC talking about this. He said the digital locks were important for gaming company's because people could make playstation [I'm assuming ps3 since I doubt he knows what a psx emu is] games on their wii.

 

[TM2-Megatron]

I lol'd and got angry when the Minister of Industry was on CBC talking about this. He said the digital locks were important for gaming company's because people could make playstation [I'm assuming ps3 since I doubt he knows what a psx emu is] games on their wii.

However, Clement isn't really the one we need to watch out for with this bill... he's recently been trying to argue for a more lenient approach; he seemed to learn a bit from the public consultation. Ironically, it's the younger Heritage Minister (of all things) that's really doing his bit to demolish consumer rights; and so far Harper is siding more with him. That's what we need to try and change... though it's depressing, seeing a relatively young person that conservative and ignorant of the real issues.

 

[Scott-105]

I'm scared. Recently I've been downloading games, and my ISP is coming to check what it is.

 

[Deleted member 186944]

I'm scared. Recently I've been downloading games, and my ISP is coming to check what it is.

are they even allowed to do that because I know that the new ACTA law would allow ISP's to check their users bandwith to see if they may be downloading illigal files.
Who's your provider?

QUOTE(sputnix @ Jun 5 2010, 11:37 PM) I lol'd and got angry when the Minister of Industry was on CBC talking about this. He said the digital locks were important for gaming company's because people could make playstation [I'm assuming ps3 since I doubt he knows what a psx emu is] games on their wii.

However, Clement isn't really the one we need to watch out for with this bill... he's recently been trying to argue for a more lenient approach; he seemed to learn a bit from the public consultation. Ironically, it's the younger Heritage Minister (of all things) that's really doing his bit to demolish consumer rights; and so far Harper is siding more with him. That's what we need to try and change... though it's depressing, seeing a relatively young person that conservative and ignorant of the real issues.

True I do remember one of the two fighting for a more consumer bill and I guess it is Clement though he is giving false and stupid examples of why digital locks are good so either way we still is wrong and has to be fought.