Can we start *really* deleting posts, please?

[McHaggis]

We've all seen it before, someone posts something off-topic, the thread derails and all the replies to that post are deleted along with it. After reading through page 24 of the 3DS Homebrew Channel thread, I just think it's gone too far. There is a total of 11 trashed posts on that page, leaving 4 remaining (assuming 15 posts per page). Arguably, the entire page adds very little to the thread and could be skipped entirely.

'Deleted' posts are wasting valuable page real-estate and bandwidth as well as unnecessarily increasing page counts, and don't seem to serve any purpose beyond telling the poster why it was deleted ― something that could be easily done with a private message/notification.

Can we nuke this feature, pretty please?

Edit: the referenced thread has had all of the deleted posts hidden now. Thanks VA.

 

[yuyuyup]

I understand my perspective is invalid, but semi-deleted posts are EXTREMELY insulting, if you veer off topic a bit or someone has a trigger finger on the report button, your words get vaporized and you get a scant explanation that is so utterly VAGUE that it leaves the reason WHY you were modded up to interpretation. But I guess humiliation on top of censorship is what gbatemp is all about.

 

[Rydian]

He's not asking people to post wiser. All he's asked is that posts actually be deleted instead of some sort of psuedo hidden mix.

He listed an example that's not the norm for the forum, which is why I gave an explanation for it.

I understand my perspective is invalid, but semi-deleted posts are EXTREMELY insulting, if you veer off topic a bit or someone has a trigger finger on the report button, your words get vaporized and you get a scant explanation that is so utterly VAGUE that it leaves the reason WHY you were modded up to interpretation. But I guess humiliation on top of censorship is what gbatemp is all about.

As a more in-depth response...

Replies to shit usually quote the shit, so in order to remove the shit totally, the replies to it often need to be removed as well. Now, IF a reply to shit is just a minor note inside a bigger post and the majority of the post is legit, mods will often just edit out the quote and reply (to remove the original offending post), leaving the rest of the post intact.

 

[McHaggis]

Big deleted section in a thread is usually caused by offtopic debates, trolling and users feeding trolls.
I propose that users stop filling the thread with these kind of offtopic message, it will solve full page of deleted post.

no, not a reasonable solution? D:

Like Fast said, we could hide post, but there's an automatic notification for deleted posts that users can activate in their notification management.
If we hide the message, we would have to PM each users one by one and explain why it was deleted, to prevent them reposting it thinking there was an error in the database and it disappeared? I don't have time, sorry

I guess it's also easier for Mod activity log purpose, and other moderators can see it and restore message quickly., they know why it was deleted (while hiding a post you can't leave a reason for other moderators).


Edit:
Though, I agree it's ugly to browse full page of deleted post.
But users should also take their responsibility and become a little more mature. Knowing when they have to stop without someone else telling them.
I'm just asking the impossible

I completely agree that the problem lies with the users, but trolls will be trolls . A solution to the problem you mentioned could be to have a section inside the user profile for deleted posts, the notification could take them there, showing the content of the post and why it was deleted. As I said, mods could still see the post and the reason for deletion, so the change would not affect them at all.

Deleted posts uglify the board, not just when it's a full page. It's unnecessary for us well behaved users ( ) to have to see them. 15 deletes in a thread gives us an extra page to read, regardless of whether they're grouped together or not. Just sayin'.

I realise this probably requires writing an IP board mod, but I don't particularly think it's a difficult task for a seasoned PHP developer (if you have one).

 

[prowler]

maybe mods could add a dislike button and implement something like gametrailers.com ("This comment has been buried by our users")

-insert opinion that most people don't like-

DISLIKE, TROLL, SHOULD BE BANNED

 

[RupeeClock]

I agree that excessive deleted posts quickly clutter a thread, when you get "reply to trashed post", but I think they need to stay in place to show that they were bad posts, rule violations etc.
The problem is that these posts still take up as much space as a normal post, they need to be reduced down, such as eliminating all of the user profile info but just leaving their name.

 

[Rydian]

I wouldn't argue against that, actually.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

I understand my perspective is invalid, but semi-deleted posts are EXTREMELY insulting, if you veer off topic a bit or someone has a trigger finger on the report button, your words get vaporized and you get a scant explanation that is so utterly VAGUE that it leaves the reason WHY you were modded up to interpretation. But I guess humiliation on top of censorship is what gbatemp is all about.

You fly off the handle if your post is slightly edited, trashed with a reason, or deleted altogether. You take them all as serious personal insults. And don't even get me started on what happens if we don't immediately identify who it was that made the minor edit, trashing, or deletion.
It's like you think the whole world is out to censor your incredibly superior mind and you absolutely NEED to lash out at any and all people who might keep humanity from hearing your artistically crafted insults.

 

[yuyuyup]

Could you give me an example of who I insult

 

[ZAFDeltaForce]

maybe mods could add a dislike button and implement something like gametrailers.com ("This comment has been buried by our users")

-insert opinion that most people don't like-

DISLIKE, TROLL, SHOULD BE BANNED

Indeed. Having a dislike button would discourage users from voicing their personal views, and cause them to go with the flow.

With that said, the current system works fine as it is. It isn't very hard to scroll through a page dominated by trashed posts anyway

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

Could you give me an example of who I insult

Sure, that's no trouble at all.
Religious people
People in positions of authority
People who disagree with you
People who don't take words to mean the same things as you

...do I really need to continue? Because the list would be far shorter if I listed the people you don't try to insult.


By the way, when we see that there are going to be large amounts of trashed posts, many of us try to use a method of deletion that makes them completely invisible to you and other members (unapproving posts), rather than the traditional trashing. It doesn't always happen that way, but in threads where you feel that there are an inordinate amount of trashed posts, you can contact a moderator and request further cleanup. I wouldn't mind it so long as it isn't a daily occurrence.

 

[Lily]

Could you give me an example of who I insult

Your 70% warn says: everyone.

 

[yuyuyup]

Could you give me an example of who I insult

Your 70% warn says: everyone.

I think you proved my point.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

Could you give me an example of who I insult

Your 70% warn says: everyone.

I think you proved my point.

So it has come to this.

(since we're apparently relying on simple non-relevant clichés to show how right we are, now)

 

[yuyuyup]

Could you give me an example of who I insult

Your 70% warn says: everyone.

I think you proved my point.

So it has come to this.

(since we're apparently relying on simple non-relevant clichés to show how right we are, now)

My original point was about humiliation being a standard punishment. Lily then exposes my warning level. Sorry I didn't convey that clearly.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

My original point was about humiliation being a standard punishment. Lily then exposes my warning level. Sorry I didn't convey that clearly.

*pauses, then nods*
Alright. I see your side, now.
I can't agree with many things you say, but I can on this point.

 

[kthnxshwn]

It's funny how it just worked like that. Full circle then some reverse flippy trick.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

shwn: That happens sometimes. I don't have to completely agree with yyy to see where he's coming from.
Most of the time I don't agree with you either, but I do see where you might be correct in some things.
Whether you want to admit it or not, we do listen to the members here.

 

[Ericthegreat]

We've all seen it before, someone posts something off-topic, the thread derails and all the replies to that post are deleted along with it. After reading through page 24 of the 3DS Homebrew Channel thread, I just think it's gone too far. There is a total of 11 trashed posts on that page, leaving 4 remaining (assuming 15 posts per page). Arguably, the entire page adds very little to the thread and could be skipped entirely.

'Deleted' posts are wasting valuable page real-estate and bandwidth as well as unnecessarily increasing page counts, and don't seem to serve any purpose beyond telling the poster why it was deleted ― something that could be easily done with a private message/notification.
Can we nuke this feature, pretty please?

So you are saying my post could be skipped! I am offended!

 

[McHaggis]

So you are saying my post could be skipped! I am offended!

Well, I did use the qualifier 'arguably', you're welcome to argue your case Seriously, though, out of the 4 readable posts on that page, there are only 2 that add anything to the thread (yes, yours included).

@[member='Vulpes Abnocto'], your idea of disapproving posts sounds interesting. Are disapproved posts shown to the moderators and the original poster when they return to a thread? If that's the case, most of the mechanisms are in place already and a small mod could make all deleted posts be treated like disapproved posts.

 

[Rydian]

My original point was about humiliation being a standard punishment. Lily then exposes my warning level. Sorry I didn't convey that clearly.

If I'm following the conversatio properly you ASKED for examples of your bad behavior.