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    Im totally oblivious to them .

    My son is 16 soon and has a place at Media City studying TV and Film etc , on the open day the tutor discussed PC's and for reasons im aware of suggested becoming familiar with Apple PC's . So i was thinking on buying him a apple laptop for study for his 16th , Here lies the problem , i know nothing of them , price is obviously an issue so im looking for advice on whats worthwhile , whats cheap but becoming obsolete ,and basically whats good enough for media editing etc, would really value your input. thanks.
     
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    A ProBook from HP could be a good MacBook alternative.
     
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    I think you mis understand , the software for audio and video editing on the mac is superior and industry standard used.. this is the reason the college suggest the use .. i dont need a laptop , we have them..
     
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    Then you've answered your own question. Just get the Macbook.
     
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    For your son, if he is going to use video apps then the only option is Macbook Pro line of laptops (13" and 15"). The Macbook (the new thin one) and Macbook air are too casual and underpowered for your son's needs.
    If you could, wait until they refresh their line of laptops, it should be soon. Then either get the latest Macbook Pro or last year's model for a discount.
     
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    are you serious , re read my OP im discussing which type of macbook .. :facepalm.

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    can you link me to the kind your referring to , cause to me macbook seems to vague..
     
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    What??? WHAT????

    @pwsincd Disregard this man's suggestion, HP Probooks are some of the worst Laptops in existence, my probook had issues since day 1 and no amount of warranty could fix that broken pile of turd (Probook 4710s to be precise).
    I would suggest going against MacBooks as they are expensive AF and most of the software available on apple computers are available as well on windows (the whole adobe CS is available on both platforms and these are among the most used pieces of software on the market).
     
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    Hackintosh :P
     
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    yeah i did think the same , but tbh on having an open tour of media city where he will study , it is pure mac , and i want to provide the best support for this step in his life...

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    not knowing if that is even a joke , ill ask .. care to elaborate... ?

    quick google shows me a bodged mac ,, how reliable is this as a proper method of learning and becoming familiar with macs.
     
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    The best option for your son would probably be the macbook pro retina. The 13" version should be enough, but the 15" verdion is graphical more powerfull(also much higher price). If it is just for school 128gb is enough, if he plans on needing games and windows, then take the 258gb version. If you buy the 128gb version then i also suggest a 128gb sd card from transend specificly made for the macbook pro (60$) for media and files (movies, backups, ...)
     
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    thanks for that input , ill bear that in mind , games and windows isnt an issue , he has the gaming rig already , im talking purely educational / media editiing.
     
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    Apple only has 3 lines:
    Just "Macbook" - a new, super thin, but ridiculously weak model;
    Macbook Air - their previous slim line, quite outdated, only one without a Retina display;
    Macbook Pro - this is likely what you're looking for. Their laptop powerhouse. Since video editing is an issue, you should look at the bigger 15" model, since it has the option of coming with a discrete graphics card. All of these can be customized regarding RAM, CPU, and storage in Apple's online store, so you can experiment with different components to make it fall within your price range.
     
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    How was i vague?
    As i said you have Macbook (thin design), Macbook Air and Macbook Pro!

    Current Macbook Pro Line of laptops:

    http://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-pro/specs-retina/?cid=oas-emeia-domains-apple.co.uk

    Buying Guide:

    http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac
     
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    you wasnt vague , it is vague to me as i dont know mac's

    im aware of the places to buy the vaious types , im really asking where the middle ground is before the Mac isnt capeable of what i need.. i dont wanna spend top dollar on the latest version , i dont wanna buy an old incapable mac , im looking for the middle ground where its enough to do what he needs
     
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    That is why i suggested you wait a few months untill they refresh their Macbook Pro 2016 and see then a good deal. The middle ground would be the £1,199 model.
     
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    As stated previously, there's a thing called a hackintosh.

    Apple uses the same hardware everyone else does, they just slap an Apple logo on it, add some proprietary hookups, and jack the price up. You can buy windows laptops that will install the latest OSX on it with no real trouble. There's at least a few models of laptops out there that you just format the HDD right, plop the OSX install disc, and it'll install just fine.

    You'll find a range of compatibility with most laptops, but a lot of that can be handled with a bit of work. Usually the hardest parts are the wifi and sometimes graphics, but there are workarounds.

    If you want cheaper, but you need it to run OSX&windows, that's the way to go. You can dual-boot windows and osx easily on laptops nowadays.

    Here's a good primer/advice article on the topic, with specific laptops for cheaper:

    http://picknotebook.com/blog/best-hackintosh-laptop/
     
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    "the software for audio and video editing on the mac is superior and industry standard used"
    That has not quite been true since before mac moved to X86, however many do enjoy mac programs and most are available -- I do not know what they are calling media software here for this course, however Adobe are the king of the prosumer (whatever that might mean) world with their after effects and adobe premier and are available on both apple and windows, Apple's final cut is Apple but rapidly losing fans, avid is the "if sir has to ask" pricing option and windows only and I would be quite surprised if they foisted that on their students for first year and to round it off I guess there is Sony Vegas but I doubt that would be being used.
    There is possibly something to be said for standardised/baseline hardware, a known software environment that is less virus/crapware hassled, screens calibrated the same way and apple tending to use slightly higher end hardware (no celerons and "I did not know they made DDR3 that small" stuff here, though you could easily outclass it if you wanted to).

    "whats cheap but becoming obsolete"
    Not a great plan with macs. Apple's support timeframes for hardware, parts and the OS said parts can run is terrifyingly short at times, though whether it will become obsolete to the point of unsuitability in the 3 years for an undergrad course is a different matter. You could do something but it is not as trivial as with a PC where you just think eh stick a SSD, some RAM and a graphics card in and it will be good as new". Float around https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos for some of the repair hassles.

    " whats good enough for media editing etc,"
    What are you planning to edit? Basic 1080p H264 in less than realtime is doable on quite a bit these days -- my dual core and 4 gigs of RAM pulls that off acceptably. If it has to be 4K HEVC and live mixed/edited in realtime then it gets more fun. If you would spec a normal PC to do it though then you will probably be able to have something for homework.

    Were I to sprog and send one to media school (or head down that path myself) then I would probably look more to getting a camera + lens, tripod, monopod, shotgun mic and drawing tablet. However I do know computers and can handle the oddities where again I am back on the "it might well just work" scenario. Avoiding such a thing would almost certainly discount a hackintosh as well (mac are basically PCs these days so you can crowbar OSX onto certain setups, they have to be fairly specific to do well and you risk some fallout so eh).
     
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    I currently have a MacBook Pro retine 13 . It does what I need it to do (Photoshopping mostly). As far as video editing etc it should handle it but if your son is going to do a lot of editing (especially 4K based) you might want to get the more equipped one(might be 15" with gpu not sure). You could also go the hakintosh way but that would require a bit more work on your end as far as getting stuff to properly work etc
     
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    Thanks @FAST6191 , the course hes on : http://www.utcmediacityuk.org.uk/digital-media-production-12/

    Final Cut Pro was mentioned , also AViD and Adobe , though this is obviously cross platform.

    I guess most the labour intensive work he will undertake will be done on the systems at the school , so i guess im steering towards having him conversant with the mac more than expecting him to perform full on school work ... hmm