Allies Fire Missiles at Libya

[Sheimi]

I wonder what the outcome will be

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

I never said I think this scumbag and his pathetic army should be allowed to live....I just said that no matter how diabolical someone is....people will still defend their right to live......why do you think murderers only get a few years here? .....Its because they apparently have a right to live

No matter how many people you kill....when judgement comes....they will not remember the right to live of all those who fell before you.....only yours

You remind me of a user called Pliskron I used to have regular bouts with. You're a little more reasonable though. Everyone has a right to live. That it what I believe. There are very few people beyond redemption.

This is NOT the start of WWIII guys. This is a UN intervention to limit civilian casualties from Gaddafi's increasingly overzealous war efforts. They're not going to let the conflict spread to other nations or anything that would bring about WWIII. They're mainly enforcing a no-fly zone I believe to protect civilians from air-raids. All the missiles fired so far have been to take out air defences, once that's done I think patrols are going to be used to keep Gaddafi's plains out of the sky. I think there are ground plans as well but I don't know anything about them.

Given the record of US imperialism in Iraq and the Middle East, forgive me if I lack the faith you seem to have in the UN's ability to do anything, let alone limit civilian casualties.

 

[trumpet-205]

Why am I the only one to think Allies are doing this so they can protect this oil field?

 

[Vidboy10]

Like I've said before, Gaddafi has a big chance of defeating the NTC/Free Libya/Rebels.
After that he can get a lot of his forces to fight against the allies.

 

[buffdog]

Why am I the only one to think Allies are doing this so they can protect this oil field?

this is true

 

[MelodieOctavia]

this isn't going to start WWIII, this is a police action and nothing more.

 

[Ace]

To those talking about Bolivia's and Venezuela's support:

Today President Evo Morales along with his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez has voiced his support for Libya’s dictator of 42 years, Muammar Gaddafi and expressed his opposition to any outside military interference in Libya. Morales rejected the United Nations decree and no-fly zone saying that they were merely a pretext for gaining control of Lidia’s oil. Morales said during a press conference, “I want to take this opportunity to express my condemnation, rejection and repugnance towards the involvement of foreign powers in Libya. We don’t accept that they violate the human rights of Libya. Those that violate human rights and kill people must be investigated and punished. Using pretexts, some powers are militarily invading Libya. In the past with Iraq, it wasn’t a problem with Saddam Hussein, and in Libya it isn’t a problem with Gaddafi, it’s the interest in oil. Just like how they took the oil from Iraq, now it’s these interests that make them want Libya’s oil. This is what foreign powers always do and this is why we reject any military intervention by the United States and other countries towards Libya. Surely, there will be more deaths and wounded because of this intervention…and many orphans because of this intervention just like in Iraq. But it’s also a permanent communication battle, we don’t know the truth about what’s happening in Libya. There are conflicts in conflicts. But when there are problems like in Honduras, when there’s a coupe d’etat, the foreign powers try to establish democracy in Honduras…what contradictions from defunct empires.”[/p]

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While I can understand why people support the UN intervention, I must say it's ultimately because of the oil. This WILL end up scarring Libya...

 

[Bladexdsl]

I wonder what the outcome will be

he gets a missile up his ass either way his going to lose. ww3...pleazzzze pfft

 

[1234turtles]

first eygpt then libya who's next

 

[SubliminalSegue]

I don't understand why we have to get in other people's affairs and try to instill our own democracy in places that may not work like that. It's like those parents that "think" they know what's best for their kids.

I don't necessarily think our government is so great, insofar that it would work in any other country.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

I don't understand why we have to get in other people's affairs and try to instill our own democracy in places that may not work like that. It's like those parents that "think" they know what's best for their kids.

I don't necessarily think our government is so great, insofar that it would work in any other country.

This wasn't just the USA's decision, it was an action taken by the UN. It's not another Vietnam, The US is not acting alone on this.

 

[The_Dragons_Mast]

first eygpt then libya who's next

Actually first Tunis then here in Egypt then Libya now Yemen and Bahrain will probably be next. As for the current situation this crazy maniac deserves to get killed he and all his family. He already know he lost but he want to make the biggest damage before leaving. He already said in one of his crazy speeches "if I wont rule libya no one will"

 

[gloweyjoey]

While I can understand why people support the UN intervention, I must say it's ultimately because of the oil. This WILL end up scarring Libya...

Even if there was no intervention by the UN, you don't think a civil war would scar the country?

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

I don't understand why we have to get in other people's affairs and try to instill our own democracy in places that may not work like that. It's like those parents that "think" they know what's best for their kids.

I don't necessarily think our government is so great, insofar that it would work in any other country.

This wasn't just the USA's decision, it was an action taken by the UN. It's not another Vietnam, The US is not acting alone on this.

Again, given the US government's record in the Middle East, along with the involvement of the other imperialist powers, the UN's approval does not necessarily contribute to a defense of their assault on Libya. With its abysmal failure at trying to prevent US hegemony in the Middle East, I must be blunt: the UN is a joke. Its mandates and sanctions are ignored. Its 'humanitarian' missions, while nominally well-intended, are ineffective and rife with corruption. They are an ineffective tool of the liberal bourgeoisie. There is no reason to assume that Libya won't face the same fate as the neighboring colony of Iraq.

 

[Canonbeat234]

first eygpt then libya who's next

May I say that the US didn't interfere with Egypt. Also how much money is the US spending of this 'liberation' on libya?

 

[junkerde]

heres a missile from me to you gaddafi, 8======D~~~~.

 

[Blaze163]

I saw an article in my brother's newspaper about the sort of forces we'd be facing if things did go to shit. According to the article, which I'm fairly sure was bullshit simply by virtue of it being in The Sun but anyway, Libya has about 20 functional fighter jets, 7 bombers, a few dozen helicopter gunships and somewhere in the region of 70 mobile missile platforms. Most of which were probably destroyed by this operation.

To put that in some sort of perspective, I have more aircraft than that in my hangar on Ace Combat Squadron Leader. I don't really think there's a threat here. But just for shits and giggles I look up what we have in the area, just the UK. I forget the exact numbers but we have about:

- 75 Eurofighter Typhoons, which can easily outfly anything Gadaffi has. We could probably take out his entire air force with maybe half a dozen of them in about five minutes.
- 130 odd Tornados, which would be quite capable of levelling the entire fucking country if we had any reason to.
- 2 reasonably decent cruisers anchored just offshore with long range missile capabilities.
- 7 AWACS able to view pretty much every inch of Libya.
- 1 nuclear submarine with Tomahawk missiles, probablity also equipped with nuclear weapons.

Yeah, I don't think it'd be wise for Gadaffi to fuck with us. And that's just if the UK goes and kicks his tyrannical arse. I dread to think what kind of odds the Libyan forces would be up against if anyone else got involved.

 

[Bladexdsl]

exactly he'll get his ass handed to him on a plate the fool has NO power whatsoever to challenge anyone.

 

[DSGamer64]

Lol we both posted 7 mins a part.

What are you sayiing?!?

He made a similar thread Here

Threads are now merged.

Could you edit the title of this thread to the title of what my thread was called?

QUOTE(Skyline969 @ Mar 19 2011, 10:40 PM)

Great. I wonder who's gonna take Libya's side and retaliate against the Allied forces. Someone's likely to.

Well, Hugo has a really stable relationship with Gaddafi and he condemned the allied intervention.
Zimbabwe, Syria, Belarus, and Algeria gave military aid to Gaddafi as well.

The scary thing is that Gaddafi could defeat the National Transitional Council. If he does, he can get a shit ton more troops to fight against the allies.

You think those puny little nations could stand up to the combined military might of these Allied forces? Not to mention that ruins your own reputation on the world stage if you decide to side with a tyrant. You are talking about puny little nations with very little in the way of military forces compared to these much bigger and wealthier countries. It would be pretty easy for us to wipe them off the map too if we really wanted, and countries like Zimbabwe (the whole African region actually) would be stupid to try to get heavily involved in a conflict where you are fighting against the US military and several other powerful forces.

 

[DSGamer64]

first eygpt then libya who's next

May I say that the US didn't interfere with Egypt. Also how much money is the US spending of this 'liberation' on libya?

It's not going to be a long term occupation, so not a lot of money.