A new section by Narin.

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We all love you, nobody thinks ill of you here!

Sorry if we hurt your feelings in any way, if I did in sorry man, really, its just the way the cheats section (the coders club) was structured, rightly caused people some concern.

This whole situation is just a confused mess, and I hope you dont take anything to heart.

And when you feel better I hope you can introduce a cheats section structured in a better way, it is a good idea to have one!

We all appreciate what you do for us man!
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I completely agree with Narin. I don't even see any mistake he made, but he seems to understand
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I wanted to add a few things to this. First of all, why the hell is creating a new forum power abuse? Let's face it: the single cheat database topic was much too large. As Narin says, it was becoming unusable. It was really about time for a few subforums. So yeah, Narin was interested in cheats... so what? In my opinion, a new subforum should be created when there's any need for it. This time, there was a great need.

Also, I don't understand why people lose faith in Narin so easily. I don't even know the guy that well, but I knew for sure that he didn't just make a few subforums and some kind of elite group which consists of n00bs to piss people off. Everyone makes mistakes and... well, this one was a pretty little one...

No offense to the topic starter though, you were completely right about making this topic. After all, you should be able to express your opinion.
 
psycoblaster said:
I'm not "jealous" or "angry" and I do not feel anything unfair, but seriously, I believe what you have done is a complete power abuse. Just because you think you are the divine code maker and take control of the cheats, you can make your group special from the others.
But you are, otherwise you wouldn't have made this thread.

Sure its nice to show your concerns about whats going on in the board, but don't sound butthurt while doing it. Especially don't make it public either. PM Narin. You should've learned this from my mistake in the blog area.

Why not request your own board instead of complaining that they have a nice board and you don't?

I say, Narin, recreate the board.
 
I'm terribly sorry for what i've caused to you narin, i'm on my wii now and i can't write at all... please do not leave we just needed some explanations about the new section and the club, I personally think you of the best people around and i hope you won't hate me for what was implied in this blog.
 
As I understood it, the root of this whole mess was that group.
But why you went and removed a perfectly fine new section(s), I still don't understand, as that was not the real issue here.

Oh well.. hope it comes back. Hope all this didn't get to you, as most stuff could've been said 'lighter' as from how they chose to approach it. You're doing an awesome job and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise!
 
Well, I wasn't in the "Code Creator's Club" or anything, but I did have a 7 page topic with my GBA Cheat code releases in it that was moved to the new "Code Hackers" section last night without even asking me. Now I get on to check my posts and the entire section was deleted... along with my release topic. Now I had no say and no hand in the new section so why should all my hard work (and yes, it is hard work renaming and translating 3000 individual files from chinese to english) erased because of somebody else's bad decisions??? For those of you who care, this was the former url for my topic http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=112939
 
dohclude said:
Well, I wasn't in the "Code Creator's Club" or anything, but I did have a 7 page topic with my GBA Cheat code releases in it that was moved to the new "Code Hackers" section last night without even asking me. Now I get on to check my posts and the entire section was deleted... along with my release topic. Now I had no say and no hand in the new section so why should all my hard work (and yes, it is hard work renaming and translating 3000 individual files from chinese to english) erased because of somebody else's bad decisions??? For those of you who care, this was the former url for my topic http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=112939

Don't worry. Most forum have a 'trashcan' system. Meaning that deleted threads / posts goes there and stuff in there gets deleted (permanently) after a time period automatically. So the threads should be able to be restored by the admins.
 
Everyone should be aware that this CHEATS section will be part of the forum sooner or later, we're "discussing" it in our spare time, and that section will be created, but we didn't made any final decisions and didn't sorted out what sub-forums will be like, and who will maintain that section..
Narin just rushed in it, but he did no bad thing! All this will get sorted..

And Narin
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don't take it personally, I (and believe, most of the others), completely understand you..And I appreciate everything you do, from the start..
I understand that special group you made, and I agree that we need Cheats section, we'll talk soon
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And mate, don't even consider leaving/taking a break..You're very much needed and loved here
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EDIT: and dohclude, I'm sorry to hear it, but lay off a bit, Narin is having a hard time, and we'll do best we can to get that thread back
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Narin, I'm very sorry you feel that way :\ I hope you will reconsider your stay, as you are a very valuable member to the community. Personally, I think the cheat forum is a great idea, because (as you said) I have noticed that your thread gets a LOT of posts daily, and it would be great to be able to flesh those out into different sections in it's own little sub-forum. However, I really didn't like the idea of the CCC. I think it would have been better handled if it was just a member title or, as some suggested, something like the Radioactive Force. (Or whatever their name is)

Anyway, don't take any of this to heart. I never doubted your judgement, and we all make mistakes.
 
Whats the big deal with a cheats section?? All we are doing is contributing to the community in a way that makes it easier for us all.. I dont see what the big deal is..
 
believe me, I understand how Narin feels. I have been sick for the passed week with food poisoning so I can understand "not being in the best frame of mind". I am in no way directing the blame on him, I feel he was only trying to help by creating the new section. I'm just a little ticked that nobody contacted me when the thread was moved until afterwards, then again no notification when it was up and deleted.


*UPDATE*----

I just noticed that my GBA Cheats thread was restored... into the "NDS Rom Hacking and Translations" section. FAIL.
 
dohclude said:
believe me, I understand how Narin feels. I have been sick for the passed week with food poisoning so I can understand "not being in the best frame of mind". I am in no way directing the blame on him, I feel he was only trying to help by creating the new section. I'm just a little ticked that nobody contacted me when the thread was moved until afterwards, then again no notification when it was up and deleted.
Hey....were you talking about this: http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=112939

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Curley5959 said:
Whats the big deal with a cheats section?? All we are doing is contributing to the community in a way that makes it easier for us all.. I dont see what the big deal is..

It was less about the section and more about the "lolololol el3337 club" running things in the section.

That's what I gathered from actually reading the thread (Which I doubt a lot of people did), anyway.
 
dohclude said:
Well, I wasn't in the "Code Creator's Club" or anything, but I did have a 7 page topic with my GBA Cheat code releases in it that was moved to the new "Code Hackers" section last night without even asking me. Now I get on to check my posts and the entire section was deleted... along with my release topic. Now I had no say and no hand in the new section so why should all my hard work (and yes, it is hard work renaming and translating 3000 individual files from chinese to english) erased because of somebody else's bad decisions??? For those of you who care, this was the former url for my topic http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=112939
It was never deleted, I forgot to move the topics back when I hastily closed the cheat forums. The problem is fixed now, I wish to apologize for this. Your topic is intact.


Now to further explain the "Code Creators Club", well, its just a name folks, they don't have any special powers here on GBAtemp and al their purpose was to moderate the cheat forums so they don't get out of control. Hell any of you could have easily joied, all it takes is having some skill in code/game hacking and contributed to the forums, thats all. Its basically people who have shown they had the skill to keep the cheat forums a greta place for everyone and dedicated to going through all the cheats t make sure they work and won't corrupt your save files and such. Basically, they are just Moderators under a new name.

The run down of those who I added in the initial group:
Curley5959:
He is still new to the code hacking scene but has shown great dedication and progress. He has made several guides on how to ode hack, how to use the R4CCE and edit the cheat database and has helped numerous others. He was added because he has shown a strong affinity to code hacking.

elixirdream:
What can I say? This man is awesome. Over the past few months this guy literally has donated 80% of the codes in the recent updates to the massive cheat database. He also helps me translate Japanese codes for the cheat database, convert Japanese codes to different game regions, test codes and quite frankly, does a a lot to help me and the people here.

fa_demion:
He may only have 11 posts, but he has helped be quite a bit and is a very skilled code hacker. Over the past year he has sent me numerous fixes, updates and offered his help through PMs and Emails. He is a far more skilled code hacker than even I and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Also we were working on a secret project for all of you, a cheat server backend and hoembrew. Basically the homebrew on your DS would scan the NDS files on your flashcard and then send the data to a server and compile a cheat database just for your flashcard and for only tehe games you have. This way you wouldn't need to download a bloated cheat database with games you don't need but only downloads the cheats for the games you current have. We are also in the process of reverse engineering the various cheat database formats for this project.

Normmatt:
Normmatt is awesone, not only does he work on AKAIO, a firmware replacement for the Acekard 2 and RPG which even the Acekard team has shown interest in using as their default firmwware, he has also helped me with creating and fixing up cheats for the cheat database. He even wrote a custom AR cheat engine himself for AKAIO which works better than well, most standard flashcard's cheat engines. He was also the mastermind behind the Chrono Trigger DS piracy fix.

SCVgeo:
While a new member of the bunch as shown great promise and skill with hacking and creating cheats. He has access to the No$GBA Debugger and is skilled in making ASM cheats. Assembly cheats require a lot of skill to make and require knowledge of programming and Assembly code. He has also made and submitted several codes alreatdy to kodewerx. He was also one of the people who helped with the Chrono Trigger DS fix.

Also as I said before, the group is open to the public if they show they have some skill and dedication to code/cheat hacking. Though I didn't choose the initial people lightly, they had to prove themselves in which they did. They are certainly not newbs as many of you people labeled them. While some of them may not have a high post count, we do meet daily in the #NDSCheats forum on the irc.gbatemp.net server to discuss various things, hack new cheats and work on imrpoving the cheating scene on GBAtemp.

I had good intentions for all of this, basically I wanted a group of people who knew a thing about game/code hacking to moderate the forums. Of course the current mods here are awesome, they do a really good job but I'm not not many of them if any knows anything about hacking games. At any rate, due to all the remarks here, I don't foresee opening the cheat forums here anytime soon if ever again.

Also once again, It is my fault for all the confusion and I take the blame. I was tired last night and I should have thought things threw, I knew some of these people would have looked fish if no explanation was given to why they were selected but I was tired and out of it from some medicine I took. I wasn't doing it to abuse my power but well, to add to GBAtemp and give you guys a new section to play around with.
 
Narin, it sounds stupid, and ignorant now, but you should have kept the forums..

Now when you wrote the background behind these people, it even more makes sense!
I can't say anything more than I'm really sorry to hear what are you going trough in real life, and what happened here
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I wish I could make you feel better!
 
Noitora said:
what have I caused...

A temporary problem that has a simple solution.

The solution? Create a new forum in a board that already exists (Don't make a huge new board underneath "Other Discussions" . Just put a forum for code hacking on that board). Create whatever sub-forums are necessary inside, and disable posting in the main forum.

Have it led by mods. Narin said that most mods wouldn't understand the reason why a post (other than forum violations) would be deleted, but with the report button that would not be the case. Giving people a whole new group may make other members think of the people in the group as "special buddies", especially if they are not well-known within the community (and especially since anything close to Moderation is more of a trust issue).

Believe it or not, a lot of cheat code hacking can actually be done in less than a minute (by mere children) if you're working with small values. ROM hacking is much, much, harder and takes a lot longer. Would people who can do such a simple task be entitled to a place in the "Club" whilst having power to trash posts inside the cheat code forum? What if somebody said their codes were poor and/or didn't work properly? Would they have a hissy-fit and trash the posts that have criticism? Who knows. Some people are sensitive, that's why moderators have to be people who can be trusted.
 
Its sad to see so many people feeling bad!

I guess it goes to show that major changes on the forum with no explanation, or announcement can lead to chaos.

Members here spend a lot of time on the forum, invest effort and make bonds to it.

We all shape the forum one way or the other, and its obvious the people in this thread all want to defend it.

When you read through how this thread developed, you can see how at one point this change seemed sinister. And at one point everyone realised their fears were wrong.

I think everyone should just chill, and realise no one here had any bad intentions, we were misguided but everyone said what they said for the good of GBAtemp!

Chalk it up as a lesson friends, change without explanation can be dangerous!
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