A new section by Narin.

[Raestloz]

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is p1ngpong's trademark.

I'll remember that

@polle123
"if you don't like it u can always ignore it" is a sentence that leads to destruction, as ignorance is one of the mankind's thoughest enemy, my country is what ignorance produced

the group, each of them is somehow a moderator of their own forum, that's what makes it not right, we have moderators for that, at least what should happen is Narin is the sole moderator (he knows what he's dealing with) and the others report to him posts that doesn't comply to the rules.

Also, the part where your access to codes section can be revoked is pretty mean

I mean, if I said something bad once, I can't access the cheat compilation thread anymore and ask about cheats

 

[Killermech]

The solution is pretty simple. Disband the 'group' and keep the forums.
You don't have to be a master hacker to be able to moderate a 'hacking' forum, the knowledge the staff has right now is sufficient.
People can just contact Narin or any of the staff if they feel like something needs to be added 'sticky, more info to a sticked thread' etc.

Why the new sections have to suffer due to this is beyond me though. Hacking is growing more and more every day, be it translations or hacking codes, anti pirate bypasses.. So I welcome these three new sections.
It's not like the three new sections themself are doing any harm, on the contrary. It should keep other forums and Narin's thread cleaner as we now have a specific forum for talking about codes.

Regarding the group discussion, I do agree with what have been said. Translation hacking (or taking it one step further and creating custom programs for editing) is an art itself and should
not be underestimated no matter what. There are several ways of hacking, easy knowledge in which you can learn in one day and harder in which can take a significant amount of time to get experienced with.
Creating a specific group of from what seems to be the 'master hacker group' and ignoring everyone else that have been doing at least as much work in hacking, is a bit too much.
Not that their work isn't appreciated, but then everyone who contributed should at least be entitled to be in that group and it wouldn't just work out.

As I said, disband the group, keep the forums.

 

[polle123]

I can tell u right now that if romhacker had their own section I would even LIKE that, it would make me more aware of where to look and go for the stuff i am ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR
and about the "code creaters club" : I've been on the cheat dorums quit a while now and I can tell you that without a couple of coders that have admin rights in that section we have a lot of enoyment.
for example it a lot easyer to remove post of noobs awking the EXACT same every 15 minutes, yes you heard me the EXACT same, you would have someone awsking a question, have that question awnserd and the post RIGHT after it someone else awskes the same!!
that why the club is created in the first place, to keep our new forum clean!

Do you see ANYTHING bad in that??

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is p1ngpong's trademark.

I'll remember that

@polle123
"if you don't like it u can always ignore it" is a sentence that leads to destruction, as ignorance is one of the mankind's thoughest enemy, my country is what ignorance produced

the group, each of them is somehow a moderator of their own forum, that's what makes it not right, we have moderators for that, at least what should happen is Narin is the sole moderator (he knows what he's dealing with) and the others report to him posts that doesn't comply to the rules.

Also, the part where your access to codes section can be revoked is pretty mean

I mean, if I said something bad once, I can't access the cheat compilation thread anymore and ask about cheats

don't worry, it's not like that it's more for the thing I posted above

 

[ShadowXP]

I'll keep my opinion short: a cheat code section should be nothing but a subforum, one for GBA, one for NDS, and should be moderated by the already appointed mods/staff.

Narin's abused his power, and there really shouldn't be a "Code Creators Club".

 

[HernanZh]

First post was a bit of unnecessary ranting o_o How cheating gets more appreciation over romhacking/translation projects. But you shouldn't be comparing those two, because making cheats are short term projects and translation projects are long term projects.

Anyway, yeah that "code creators club" is terrible idea.

 

[Jasonage]

I think it would be a good idea to get rid of the club, but keep the forum category and have it moderated by moderators.

It stops us having to go dashing through different forum categories to find the cheats we want for different platforms.

 

[science]

What disturbs me is calling it a club, but giving mod powers. A mod earns his duties. Calling it a club sounds like they got it because they are buddies

 

[Toni Plutonij]

OK, if I can state my opinion..

First, psycoblaster and Noitora do have a point, and I agree on everything they have said, but you guys are overlooking one thing!
Narin isn't type of guy who would abuse his power! He did more than you (and I) could even imagine for this site, because he's doing stuff much more important than deleting posts, he's taking care of technical things so the forums wouldn't fall apart!

Now, what he tried to do with this "club" of his, was not a power abuse, but more rushing into things..
I don't think he allowed those few members to moderated CHEAT section just so he would be cool, or have his little gang, but he did it, so he wouldn't give us moderators more of a job..He created a section, but didn't want to make it hard on us, so he talked to some people and decided to give them powers (yeah, bad idea, but it was a good intention) so they could maintain those sections, without getting on our backs..
He made a mistake, but it's nothing irreversible!

 

[EmperorOfCanada]

OK, if I can state my opinion..

First, psycoblaster and Noitora do have a point, and I agree on everything they have said, but you guys are overlooking one thing!
Narin isn't type of guy who would abuse his power! He did more than you (and I) could even imagine for this site, because he's doing stuff much more important than deleting posts, he's taking care of technical things so the forums wouldn't fall apart!

Now, what he tried to do with this "club" of his, was not a power abuse, but more rushing into things..
I don't think he allowed those few members to moderated CHEAT section just so he would be cool, or have his little gang, but he did it, so he wouldn't give us moderators more of a job..He created a section, but didn't want to make it hard on us, so he talked to some people and decided to give them powers (yeah, bad idea, but it was a good intention) so they could maintain those sections, without getting on our backs..
He made a mistake, but it's nothing irreversible!

Sounds like a reasonable assesment to me. I dont think Narin would be what he is to this forums if he was the type of guy to go power hungry.

 

[Raestloz]

OK, if I can state my opinion..

First, psycoblaster and Noitora do have a point, and I agree on everything they have said, but you guys are overlooking one thing!
Narin isn't type of guy who would abuse his power! He did more than you (and I) could even imagine for this site, because he's doing stuff much more important than deleting posts, he's taking care of technical things so the forums wouldn't fall apart!

Now, what he tried to do with this "club" of his, was not a power abuse, but more rushing into things..
I don't think he allowed those few members to moderated CHEAT section just so he would be cool, or have his little gang, but he did it, so he wouldn't give us moderators more of a job..He created a section, but didn't want to make it hard on us, so he talked to some people and decided to give them powers (yeah, bad idea, but it was a good intention) so they could maintain those sections, without getting on our backs..
He made a mistake, but it's nothing irreversible!

Well said Toni

Although, actually that's what Noitora and psycoblaster (and others too) imply, the power of mod given to somebody just like that?

Also, the custom group title is another minor problem, and they're all reversible, it's just some actions might not feel too good for others.

The best form ths group can take is to use them as Custom Member Title, not custom group title (like what Radiocative Force members do, using banners and custom member titles)

Although I can understand what Narin intended with a group, having their own group instantly isn't good, as psycoblaster said

 

[p1ngpong]

I feel sorry for Narin, and I dont think anybody thought his actions were anything more then an overenthusiastic mistake.

A mistake that can be quickly fixed, and forgotten with no need to dwell on it longer then that!

 

[DarkRey]

is this some kind of koolers club? if yes...i will join..oh shit this isnt koolers club sign up topic :ninja

there is nothing to blame on narin..he thought it will be a gud idea which might help the community
but i can agree with others about that "CCC" i mean some new people joins and they have the power to moderate us (veterans and loyals)?

 

[Toni Plutonij]

Well said Toni

Although, actually that's what Noitora and psycoblaster (and others too) imply, the power of mod given to somebody just like that?

Also, the custom group title is another minor problem, and they're all reversible, it's just some actions might not feel too good for others.

The best form ths group can take is to use them as Custom Member Title, not custom group title (like what Radiocative Force members do, using banners and custom member titles)

Although I can understand what Narin intended with a group, having their own group instantly isn't good, as psycoblaster said

Yeah, I can understand psycos and Noitoras feeling got hurt over this, because they are great ROM hackers and translators, they did a lot of hard working, yet, no powers are given to them, but some new members got powers of the new section with no proving of themselves!

However, as I said, Narin didn't gave them power so they would be cool, but more because he didn't want us others to suffer on behalf of the new section!

And that's a great idea with the userbars and stuff like that..Yeah, they should be more like a Radioactive Force

 

[Raestloz]

Now what happened? All we ask is just to get around the group title, but Narin removed the WHOLE SECTION! (or, was it Narin?)

Sorry Narin, didn't mean to go rough on you, why does the code section removed? It's perfect...

 

[ENDscape]

I think the Radioactive force should have power...more power than what we already have.

 

[Raestloz]

Talking about Radioactive made me remember I forgot to put my userbar again

but back on topic, the whole section is removed, and Narin (who was reading this topic) is gone... where is he?

 

[Narin]

Ok folks, here I am. I didn't think making these forums would cause so much trouble so I'm removing them completely. I made a mistake and I'm sorry, this wasn't about power abuse, awarding my friends, etc. I wanted to add another section to the site for all of you. Plenty of popular gaing sites have a section about game cheats, hints and codes for various games and various systems with with GBAtemp's growing popularity in the cheat depart, I thought of this.

I meant no disrespect or offense by it, was it perfect? No, but I had the reasons for what I did and seriously, I thought you guys would have at least know me better or had the deceny of contacting me before accusing me of abusing my power. While I agree with "Code Creators Club" may not be the best name for the group, but they did serve a purpose, they weren't added because they were my friends which several of them aren't by the way. Most if not all the mods here know about cheat codes, hacking, etc and wouldn't know a bad post from a good one unless its a forum rules violation. So I added group to handle the matter without giving the existing mods more work to do.

The group was suppose to go through every post to make sure everything was tested and working, weed out broken or potentially dangerous codes and keep things manageable. Basically they were simply simple mods over the forums but they didn't gain any more rights or privileges on the forum other than a simple member. To be added to the group, you must have contributed greatly in some form or another and show skill. They weren't just added to the group because I felt like it. Basically I just wanted people who knew what they were doing to manage the forums because I don't have the time and energy to do it all myself.

Trust me, I know plenty of you contribute to the forums and work on all kinds of useful projects such as ROM translations, homebrew, etc. I am personally grateful for all of it. I keep up with several of the prjects here myself and take joy i using them. Every group tends to have their wn sections already, be it ROM translations, Homebrew, Rom hacking, rtc but there was no general cheat forums and well, several people have been requesting them so I made a proposal to add them which I posted in the staff forum here to be discussed. It was generally thought to be a good idea and I hard no word otherwise, so I added them in last night to see how things go. I was shocked to see how things turned ut.

Don't get me wrong, I had stuff to gain from this, currently I do maintain the massive cheat database which entire discussion is handled in a single topic. Lterally dozens of posts get added a day with people posting bugs, requests and code submissions that well, its overwhelming me. I have a day job working construction for 8-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. I have college to worry about to as well as my job and duties here on GBAtemp as a Technician. Most of my work goes un-noticed and I know that bt don't care. I'm a server/code monkey and work on the server to try to fix problems with it, imrpove the peed of the site and add new features for all of you. I recently fixed the email problem, well, I got it working for a majority of the users were notification emails weren't being sent and got several popular email providers to remove GBAtemp from their blacklists. So having multiple cheat forums helps organise everything and well, makes it easier for me though in return, you all benefit from it.

At any rate, I have been bed ridden lately, my nephew who I babysat the other week gave me the fly and a nasty chest cold so I have been home taking medicine which well, doesn't leave me in the bets frame of mind. Last night I wasn't thinking clearly and was very tired, it was around 3-4 AM for me, I felt like crap and couldn't get to sleep and I ended up adding up the cheat forums before their time. I'll man up to the mistake I made but it wasn't because of power abuse. Most of you should know me better than that, I don't consider myself above any of you, I don't abuse my power and everything I do, I do with the community in mind. I love GBAtemp and its community and wouldn't do anything for self gain. I never ask for anything from any of you yet I am willing to donate all my free time improving GBAtemp. Thats who I am, I take more satisfaction knowing what I;m doing makes others happy than doing something that makes me happy.

At any rate, seeing all this and all these accusations against me have really shocked me and gotten to me. I personally feel really bad right now that I let you all down. Perhaps I will go take a break from GBAtemp for a while, I have enough stress to deal with from my personal life, the last thing I want is to ruin the GBAtemp community further and getting everyone here who I have grown to love to hate me. Though that is if I'm not fired over all this which I wouldn't blame the admins here for doing. I'll say it, I seem to have screwed up bug this time and I deserve any punishment coming to me.

Anyways, I feel like crap right now from both being sick and from reading all this so I'm calling it a day. Believe what you wish, and think what you might, in the end, everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions but I am truly sorry for all of this.

~Narin

 

[EmperorOfCanada]

Its okay Narin, I still love you

 

[polle123]

eehh, narin, not to bring you anymore stress but, where did the original thread go??
plz,plz,plz don't tell me u deleted it

*starts thinking about the 300 pages of codes that might be gone*
*starts shaking*
*starts to think about the code guid that was just getting attention and now might be gone*
*tryes not to cry*
*starts crying anyway*

 

[Raestloz]

Dude, you got it all wrong, all we ask is the custom group title reconsidered is all, removing the whole section is too much.... =(