Ultra High Definition

ResleyZ · Jun 2, 2014

FAST6191 said:
Edit. I also forgot to say using a reference price on monitors is a tricky game. http://www.stltoday.com/business/lo...cle_41090317-811c-5c94-ac9c-a17889c34a41.html

The ability to fit output, IM with the client, debug and the original document/coding window all on one screen at once is something I could probably make use of. 2160 vertical pixels (assuming landscape) is something of an improvement over even 1200 or 1440 of the previous higher end displays, I know 1600 exists but that was quite rare and the others are available from most vendors that matter.

But is it something to buy a new screen for? TBH, when I am using a lot of different programs, and thus have a lot of different windows, I highly prefer multiple monitors. My current set-up at my PC (22" - 16:9 - 1080p and a 17" - 4:3 - 1024p) is more than enough for me. I use my main screen (22") for gaming and video's, and my second screen (17") for information regarding the game I'm currently playing (self-updating MC map when playing multiplayer, or guides and stuff like that). A friend of mine, who sometimes stream, uses my second screen for the twitch page. Having bigger screens would be worse for me.

And I know that most people have to go bigger to see the advantage. I tested a lot of configurations with all my devices; 32" 1080p TV, 22" 1080p monitor, 17" 1024p monitor, 17,3" 1600x900 laptop screen and a 10.1" tablet. So far for 'normal gaming' the 22" and 17" screen are the best, with the 10.1" tablet for mail and other notifications that are sent to my phone and tablet. When I want to play games on my TV, I use my laptop and set the tv up as a second screen, so it doesn't copy the screen.

One thing I can't wait to test out, are the new 'curved' displays. I've heard a lot of good stuff about it, and can't wait to see it myself.

Youkai · Jun 2, 2014

Well I would not invest this much money for a 4K TV yet BUT ! I have seen some very good ones two weeks ago in the store when I bought my new TV and with a movie that is filmed in 4K it really makes a big difference ...

I myself got a 55" TV and even with HD you see sometimes small pixel if you get to close (well usually you won't get that close to the TV anyways ....)
Sadly there is still enough series that are not in HD as they are either older or used "old" equipment as HD Cameras still are expensive.
last year some news stations finally changed to HD and I can't imagine them investing in K4 capable equipment anytime soon !

But yeah in the Shop you could actually press your face against the screen and still have awesome quality ^^V
they had some moving picture there of a town and it looked so realistic and sharp and everything ... just wow !
I was even thinking of getting a 4K TV but the cheapest one they had was over 2000€ and as I said it is not worth it yet.

FAST6191 · Jun 2, 2014

$500 (€370, £300, 540 $ Australian at current exchange rates) is not all that different to what it costs for a similarly sized (if not smaller) computer screen. Not to mention what I might pay for a graphics card or some other upgrades and certainly the kind of money that several could almost afford to use as a test.

Equally multiple monitors was something of a necessity for that, depending upon how it works (4K has a couple of definitions) this is potentially quite literally 4 1080p screens stacked on top and beside each other (this is also 39 inches so you may have to suffer the indignity of a 19.5 inch screen). For games I could see something but if pixel scaling works well enough or you take a border then I do not see something any more.

On curved screens all I can think is what is old is new again. Unless it is actually going to wrap around my head I am not seeing too much benefit*.

*for the reflection issue my usual solution is close the relevant curtains.

Youkai · Jun 3, 2014

http://www.japantoday.com/category/...est-broadcasts-super-hd-television-technology

Oo so for the Japanese it might actually be a good idea to get a 4k TV or wait a little while to get an 8k one ....
No idea how big the screens have to get to make actually use of 8k but it seems we are looking into a sharp future

vayanui8 · Jun 4, 2014

What is available that even runs in ultra high definition?

TyBlood13 · Jun 4, 2014

I may buy one if they're considerably cheaper when I go to college in 2 years

Costello · Jun 4, 2014

Just to add my personal opinion to the stack: pretty much everything that's been said so far is on par with my point of view.

1) content: I just have no 4K content to play at all. Streaming? I'm lucky if I get 480p without buffering too much with my home internet. Movie downloads? I don't want to have to spend an entire day to download something while I could get the 1080p version within minutes/hours (let's not even mention the part about compression). Actual TV broadcast? There are none, where I live they're still on 480p. There's only 2 sources of content: possibly UHD Blurays, which I don't buy, and game consoles, which I don't own, and that don't even have 4K games at the moment.

2) eye sight: I have a pretty bad eye sight, so I can barely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. I've recently had to purchase an HDTV so I had the chance to snoop around in hi-tech/TV stores and I saw a lot of 4K screens. It was pretty from up close, but stepping back a few meters away I couldn't tell the difference with a regular 1080p.

3) price: I know they're going down in price and maybe they'll become standard one day or another. But I will probably never buy a 4K TV just because it's 4K. Same way I didn't buy a 3D TV, it's a gimmick.

Gahars · Jun 4, 2014

I can't wait to buy a 4K TV!

...In, like, 10 years, maybe, and even that's stretching it.

duffmmann · Jun 4, 2014

Veho said:
7.29 (taking the average angular resolution of one arc minute) but only if we don't move our eyes side to side. It all really depends on the screen size and viewing distance.

http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/

So yeah, 4K makes sense for PC monitors or cinemas, doesn't make much sense for a home TV. I am always a proponent of more megapixels but the extra bang is barely noticeable while the extra buck is considerable at the moment.

This is what I thought was the case. I mean I watch blu rays on a 60 inch tv and it looks great, sometimes too great. Certain films seriously start to look like they were shot for a soap opera once the quality gets so high. I don't really know how to explain it beyond that, but certain things honestly look worse because they're too crisp. I know that seems counter-intuitive, but if you've seen the right piece of footage, you know what I mean. I'm very happy with 1080p, but to go any higher resolution just doesn't make much sense to me. Honestly i'd rather get a 3D capable tv before getting a 4K tv, and I'm in no rush to get a 3D capable television.

FAST6191 · Jun 4, 2014

vayanui8 said:
What is available that even runs in ultra high definition?

Operating systems, several games (though some of that might be empty magnification*), video cameras that can shoot in such resolutions are far from unheard of in the consumer ( http://gopro.com/cameras/hd-hero3-black-edition#technical-specs and http://www.panasonic.com/ca/consume...gh4.html#6a5e8069-a745-4cc4-bb63-de8c62e2407a ) or lower end pro world (see red cameras), CAD other 3d modelling or 2d drawing, not to mention even if you are working with 1080p stuff you can have the video at full res (and scaling, especially when it is not half, quarter....) is not great to have when dealing with video editing at high levels) with the UI wrapped around it

*that said if I could letterbox something and have a crazy wide field of view I could see something).

A lot of people probably do not have a solid use case for such things, indeed most that would truly benefit from it are in the professional or at that level worlds, but it is not just some crazy specific specialist thing.
Ignoring the very nice $500 thing whether it is worth the cost is a slightly different matter but then again even $1500 is not exactly crazy money when you are dealing with professional level tools.

tickle.my.pickle · Jun 4, 2014

next gen blu ray discs are set to be release in 2016... and prolly use UHD for ps4... so for now let the price drop and enjoy your FHD while you can!!

TyBlood13 · Jun 5, 2014

duffmmann said:
This is what I thought was the case. I mean I watch blu rays on a 60 inch tv and it looks great, sometimes too great. Certain films seriously start to look like they were shot for a soap opera once the quality gets so high. I don't really know how to explain it beyond that, but certain things honestly look worse because they're too crisp. I know that seems counter-intuitive, but if you've seen the right piece of footage, you know what I mean. I'm very happy with 1080p, but to go any higher resolution just doesn't make much sense to me. Honestly i'd rather get a 3D capable tv before getting a 4K tv, and I'm in no rush to get a 3D capable television.

I know EXACTLY what you mean. Happens all the time when I try to watch TV (The most fleeting example being Star Trek Enterprise) on my uncle's 70"

dario14 · Jun 5, 2014

duffmmann said:
This is what I thought was the case. I mean I watch blu rays on a 60 inch tv and it looks great, sometimes too great. Certain films seriously start to look like they were shot for a soap opera once the quality gets so high. I don't really know how to explain it beyond that, but certain things honestly look worse because they're too crisp. I know that seems counter-intuitive, but if you've seen the right piece of footage, you know what I mean. I'm very happy with 1080p, but to go any higher resolution just doesn't make much sense to me. Honestly i'd rather get a 3D capable tv before getting a 4K tv, and I'm in no rush to get a 3D capable television.

I totally understand this. Sometimes it looks like you're watching people act.

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