Ethics/moralality of using AI for fanfics

Schizophrenic meltdown amirite
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Yes, it’s a complete schizophrenic meltdown, not dissimilar to the one we’ve seen when the first engines entered production during the industrial revolution. I Googled who Victor Tangermann is and I could swear I tasted the soy through the screen, I had to grab some mouthwash.
 
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Yes, it’s a complete schizophrenic meltdown, not dissimilar to the one we’ve seen when the first engines entered production during the industrial revolution. I Googled who Victor Tangermann is and I could swear I tasted the soy through the screen, I had to grab some mouthwash.
And talking about soy makes you sound totes rational and normal.
 
And talking about soy makes you sound totes rational and normal.
Of course it does, especially considering it’s true. The man writes for Futurism and his core output is limited to a few things - critique of AI and associated prominent industry figures (notable hate boner for Elon Musk), aerospace (notable hate boner for SpaceX) and environmentalism. I don’t really know what he’s doing at the publication considering he worships regress, not progress, at least based on a fast skim read of some of his articles. He’s a textbook “sky is falling” yellow journalist who misses the forest for the trees.

I have a spoiler for you - much like other technological advancements such as the steam engine, the diesel engine, or automation in general, AI isn’t going anywhere. The opposite is true - it’s actively proliferating in every industry and its use will only grow with time. In fact, the increase in productivity is so enormous that the companies involved in building the backbone of LLM’s are perfectly happy, and expected, to operate at a loss so long as they achieve their targets, and their investors know this, have priced this risk in and continue to be undeterred.

AI is actively helping us solve all sorts of problems, from science, engineering and medicine to simple everyday tasks, and the fact that the general public has access to such tools so early in their development is actually quite staggering - normally access to new breakthroughs is prohibitively expensive. Nobody, allow me to repeat, nobody who matters in this equation actually cares about the current drawbacks *more* than they care about what the use of AI can provide us with, so progress will continue along the exact same path as with other technological milestones - the scale will grow and efficiency will increase over time until equilibrium is reached. There will be a *technological* solution to environmental grumbles, nobody’s pulling the plug on LLM’s.

You can make peace with that or you can shake your fist and shout at clouds. Thinking otherwise is simply myopic and insane, so the phrase “schizophrenic meltdown” is apt. You were preceded by people who chased tractors with pitchforks because they threatened their employment in agriculture. We still have tractors, and we’re better off with them than without them.
 
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Yes, all valid points. I’m not even an AI evangelist and I concur. I’m sorry that your attention span is too short to read the post. Consider using an AI to produce a summary, it’s pretty handy for that too.
 
Saying "I can't find inspiration for writing so someone else did it for me." would not get a pass so why should the Predictive Text Generator Machine Pretending to be Artificial Intelligence be allowed to excrete any of that?
There are different ways to use it. OP wasn't clear on whether he's having it write for him or just using it to bounce ideas around.
If you're having it write everything for you then you are not a writer, that should be obvious to anyone, it's kind of in the name.

Using it to bounce ideas around I'd say is perfectly acceptable and moral. Every writer struggles with writers block on occasion and having someone (or something) to bounce ideas at and get potentially helpful suggestions can be a good way to get past that and is a pretty common practice. The suggestions don't even have to be directly useful, but just the act of bouncing ideas around may make you come up with new ideas that you hadn't thought of before.
There's obviously a spectrum inbetween that where things are less clear cut but those are the two extremes.
 
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80% of fiction is inspired by true events that already happened just adjusted "what if's" are thrown in by the author. Regardless of what the work is an idea might've been added to a universe they got from someone else.
 
80% of fiction is inspired by true events that already happened just adjusted "what if's" are thrown in by the author. Regardless of what the work is an idea might've been added to a universe they got from someone else.
reworked ideas by humans contextualizing their inspirations into tangible new experiences, not robots mechanically taking someone elses work and using an online thesaurus and attempting to pass it off as original work
 
If AI could emulate genuine inspiration and was capable of create fully thoughtful, breath taking works this wouldn't need to be a conversation and the idea of a fully automated ai media society where we consume only the slop excreted onto our apps wouldn't be so intensely pushed back against. It will never happen. You will never make a string of code that will genuinely feel human.
 
If AI could emulate genuine inspiration and was capable of create fully thoughtful, breath taking works this wouldn't need to be a conversation and the idea of a fully automated ai media society where we consume only the slop excreted onto our apps wouldn't be so intensely pushed back against. It will never happen. You will never make a string of code that will genuinely feel human.
I'm sure our grandparents thought it would be impossible to order a pizza from our pockets also.
 
I'm sure our grandparents thought it would be impossible to order a pizza from our pockets also.
I'm sure our grandparents were furious with the idea of the Dominoes Pizza app back in their childhoods, yes. They certainly had nothing better to worry about. It was the end of all of their hobbies as they knew them, no question.
 
I'm sure our grandparents were furious with the idea of the Dominoes Pizza app back in their childhoods, yes. They certainly had nothing better to worry about. It was the end of all of their hobbies as they knew them, no question.
Furious I doubt it, back in the early days of retail stores you'd have to stand and physically write paper checks, a cashier would manually have to enter each individual item making lines longer. Computers themselves made shopping so much quicker and the fact you just tap to pay saves so much more time. It's hard to imagine why so many are against saving time other than the "you're becoming lazy arguments" but that's what techs about saving time. Imagine the phase out of yellow pages, less amount of paper waste it saved ink use now all we have to do is type in a name and hit call. Each egg shell can be different but we're too argumentative over the fact we do have it easier and that's pretty good living imo. If tech is used right it can teach instead of harm.
 
Furious I doubt it, back in the early days of retail stores you'd have to stand and physically write paper checks, a cashier would manually have to enter each individual item making lines longer. Computers themselves made shopping so much quicker and the fact you just tap to pay saves so much more time. It's hard to imagine why so many are against saving time other than the "you're becoming lazy arguments" but that's what techs about saving time. Imagine the phase out of yellow pages, less amount of paper waste it saved ink use now all we have to do is type in a name and hit call. Each egg shell can be different but we're too argumentative over the fact we do have it easier and that's pretty good living imo. If tech is used right it can teach instead of harm.
In all of human history, there has never been a recorded incident to my knowledge of human beings being given the potential to go massively overboard and choosing not to. Take into account corporations who only see profit in exploitation and what you are attempting to describe as a powerful tool that will help humanity and bring progress actually just spells doom for everything this board stands for. Even if AI could create, let's say, the greatest and most memorable video game ever made in ten years, good luck affording a rig that can run it.
 
In all of human history, there has never been a recorded incident to my knowledge of human beings being given the potential to go massively overboard and choosing not to. Take into account corporations who only see profit in exploitation and what you are attempting to describe as a powerful tool that will help humanity and bring progress actually just spells doom for everything this board stands for. Even if AI could create, let's say, the greatest and most memorable video game ever made in ten years, good luck affording a rig that can run it.
I mean nearly everything we already have is from a over polluting over paid corperation anyway from a 1980 sedan to military nuclear silo's, that's why no opinion of doom has really bothered me. We have way worse things that kill and pollute already, but we get a tool like Ai and it's instantly the devil. Sure I feel like it shouldn't of been made as public yet because the public over fears new no matter what. Use what tools we actually have to learn from instead of fear I guess.
 

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