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Did no one ever make 720p TVs?

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The best display for the PS3 is one of those multi-sync BVM 16:9 CRTs. Almost none of the "720P" televisions back in the day were 720P, they were 768P and scaled like you are worried about. Don't bother searching for that 720P television, the CRT is the best one
 
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The best display for the PS3 is one of those multi-sync BVM 16:9 CRTs. Almost none of the "720P" televisions back in the day were 720P, they were 768P and scaled like you are worried about. Don't bother searching for that 720P television, the CRT is the best one
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Even assuming I was able to find one, I don't own a private jet to transport it using. And aint no way I'm trusting a courier with something that fragile.
 
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Even assuming I was able to find one, I don't own a private jet to transport it using. And aint no way I'm trusting a courier with something that fragile.
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You're gonna have to be prepared to drive a long way, or solicit somebody else to drive you, for something like that.

It's worth it, as long as you have somewhere to put it. I think. They do look really nice.
 
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20 years ago (2006), computer monitors were 4:3 and 16:10. There were SDTV (480i/480p), especially CRT and HDTV (720p/1080i and 1080p). 1080p HDTV was very new and super expensive, especially with HDMI port with LCD and plasma as option. I saw CRT that came with 1080i, so very, very heavy.

This forum talk about GameCube, GBA and DS with Wii coming soon lol.
 
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I got a PS3 today but I can't find a 720p TV for it. Or a monitor. Everything is 1366x768 and not 1280x720 like what a PS3 would look good on according to online sources since most games are 720p. It looks really bad on my 4K C2 OLED.


I don't want to spend $750 on a RetroTwink 4K unless I have to,, are there any other scalers that do the job? Or just 720p TV/monitors?
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Of course they did, you should be asking if anyone still making them and I suspect the answer is no.
 
They absolutely did make 720p TVs. Well technically 720p was uncommon because 1366*768 was far more common for TVs, but we just called them all 720p.
 
Moe87 said:
20 years ago (2006), computer monitors were 4:3 and 16:10. There were SDTV (480i/480p), especially CRT and HDTV (720p/1080i and 1080p). 1080p HDTV was very new and super expensive, especially with HDMI port with LCD and plasma as option. I saw CRT that came with 1080i, so very, very heavy.

This forum talk about GameCube, GBA and DS with Wii coming soon lol.
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My dad bought a HDTV years ago that was a CRT by Samsung (it weighed like 110lbs or 50kg), but I bet it'd be great for PS2 light gun games and PS3... Now.
 
I have the 77" C4 and my ps3 looks fantastic on it.. Not sure what you are seeing.... most games render at even sub 720p res on ps3 so its not going to do anything magical...
 
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720p TVs were usually saved for 32" models.
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Yes, but true 720p wasn't used. Sony makes a "720p" TV still as of today and it's 768p.

The good thing about Sony TVs is that they're generally produced yearly so you don't get something from years ago, however.. the Android OS on that TV is 11, I think. Not great as it is outdated though it is a very good TV and built to last.
 
Marc_LFD said:
Yes, but true 720p wasn't used. Sony makes a "720p" TV still as of today and it's 768p.

The good thing about Sony TVs is that they're generally produced yearly so you don't get something from years ago, however.. the Android OS on that TV is 11, I think. Not great as it is outdated though it is a very good TV and built to last.
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I thought everyone knew that all 720p TVs were 768. Just like 4K is either 4096x 2160 or 3840x2160.
 
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I would grab a widescreen CRT. Some of them that do 720p/1080i are a true 720p and have HDMI input. None of the retro guys want the HD CRTs because the lag when doing 240p on most of them.
 
This might depend on your region, but there were some early LCD TVs in Europe which were released with true 720p panels.
E.g. Samsung released some 22 inch models. There were actually quite a number of different panel resolutions (e.g. Sharp used 960x540 etc.) .

It didn't take long till 768p panels superseded all of these though (like the middle of the 2000s)

The easier solution is to get one of these with 1:1 pixel mapping, so you have small borders for 720p output. I'm not sure if this a feature for HDMI inputs, but on my Sony I can do this via using the VGA port and a HDMI to VGA converter.

However, I wasn't too impressed with the PS3 quality like this though. It might be just the games I tested, but I thought it didn't gain much quality over scaling on my 4k TV. I thought the PSVita TV's 720p (which is scaled internally from 960x544) benefitted more from this actually.
 
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namename11 said:
I got a PS3 today but I can't find a 720p TV for it. Or a monitor. Everything is 1366x768 and not 1280x720 like what a PS3 would look good on according to online sources since most games are 720p. It looks really bad on my 4K C2 OLED.


I don't want to spend $750 on a RetroTwink 4K unless I have to,, are there any other scalers that do the job? Or just 720p TV/mon
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My first lcd tv was a Phillips 720p 42 inch in the mid 2000’s I remember going to Best Buy to get it and hook my ps3 up so they did make them
 
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My first lcd tv was a Phillips 720p 42 inch in the mid 2000’s I remember going to Best Buy to get it and hook my ps3 up so they did make them
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As already mentioned several times in this thread, it probably wasn't true 720p. I too had a "720p" TV but no 720p image was ever sharp on it. Not something you'd usually notice with video games or TV/movies but definitely noticeable when you hook a PC up to it. The same was true for every "720p" TV that my closest family owned. 720p just wasn't a common resolution for panels, despite this being the resolution targeted by early HD content.

What's worse, they often did not even have any support for displaying content at the panel's native resolution. So even if you forced the PC to output 1366x768, it would just get cropped, or it still wouldn't be sharp because the TV scaled everything down to 720p before sending it to the panel. Some TVs handled this better than others.
 
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Not all PS3 games support 1080p but many do
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Only about 15 to 20 PS3 games output at a true, native 1080p resolution. The rest that say 1080p are upscaled. My old Panasonic 50 inch TV from 2007 was true 720p that would accept a 1080p signal and downscale it. These days I run PS3 games at 4K on my PC because they look and run ten times better than they ever did on the underpowered PS3.
 
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Only about 15 to 20 PS3 games output at a true, native 1080p resolution. The rest that say 1080p are upscaled. My old Panasonic 50 inch TV from 2007 was true 720p that would accept a 1080p signal and downscale it. These days I run PS3 games at 4K on my PC because they look and run ten times better than they ever did on the underpowered PS3.
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Here's a list of true 1080p games: https://www.reddit.com/r/PS3/comments/117mjvo/tried_listing_all_native_1080p_games_on_the_ps3/ I count well above 20 there.

Here's a DF in-depth analysis of the 1080p and near 1080p games (games that had an above 720p internal resolution that outputted in 1080p mode):

 
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Does resolution even matter on the PS3? I remember back in the PS3 days, people would jokingly say things like '3 meters and it's anti-aliased, 5 meters and it's HD'.
Besides the monitor's resolution, it seems you also have to look at the signal. If it's VGA (analog signal), it's useless too.
 
pustal said:
Here's a list of true 1080p games: https://www.reddit.com/r/PS3/comments/117mjvo/tried_listing_all_native_1080p_games_on_the_ps3/ I count well above 20 there.

Here's a DF in-depth analysis of the 1080p and near 1080p games (games that had an above 720p internal resolution that outputted in 1080p mode):

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That's nice, but when it comes to PS3/360 we can't really care too much about resolution or framerate otherwise you'll end up avoiding most games.

MotorStorm 2 and Blur are two of my favorite games and even though they run at 30fps, they're tons of fun.
 
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