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emigre said:
Bruv, I would rather eat dogshit than have any of those fuckers back.



Not true. Andy Burnham did have political power but as the Mayor of Greater Manchester. And he did get votes, votes from the people of Makersfield.

In terms of corruption, not really happened. Don't know what you mean by selling their spots.

If you want hilarious, go read about Alex Douglas-Home. He became PM despite not being in the House of Commons back in the 60s.
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he was put as a mp on June 19th and moved to a PM on the 22nd. That sure seems like corruption to me. As an American it makes me proud that we fought against that type of system and arent apart of it. He probably got he position because he helped setup those grooming gangs.

Thats one of the dumbest government systems in the world in my opinion. Installed leaders like that are deplorable in this century. Maybe in the 1400s would that type of stuff be acceptable.

But its not my country so all I can do is be glad I am not apart of a system like that and feel sorry for those who live under a system that is that bad.
 
AndorfRequissa said:
he was put as a mp on June 19th and moved to a PM on the 22nd. That sure seems like corruption to me. As an American it makes me proud that we fought against that type of system and arent apart of it. He probably got he position because he helped setup those grooming gangs.

Thats one of the dumbest government systems in the world in my opinion. Installed leaders like that are deplorable in this century. Maybe in the 1400s would that type of stuff be acceptable.

But its not my country so all I can do is be glad I am not apart of a system like that and feel sorry for those who live under a system that is that bad.
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I mean, what happens in America if the President resigns? You get a new one without an election. If necessary, the party in power could assign a new arbitrary VP right beforehand and accomplish the same thing.

Burnham becoming a MP isn't some internal decision either, he did have to win a very contested election for that. Obviously it was with the intention of becoming PM, but that isn't corrupt.
 
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AndorfRequissa said:
That sure seems like corruption to me
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It's only ignorance. Yours, that is.
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Sir Tortoise said:
I mean, what happens in America if the President resigns? You get a new one without an election. If necessary, the party in power could assign a new arbitrary VP right beforehand and accomplish the same thing.

Burnham becoming a MP isn't some internal decision either, he did have to win a very contested election for that. Obviously it was with the intention of becoming PM, but that isn't corrupt.
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Magats somehow see corruption everywhere except where it is
 
Dark_Ansem said:
It's only ignorance. Yours, that is.
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Magats somehow see corruption everywhere except where it is
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This is one of the reasons i dont talk politics. Fools like you make assumptions and just start name calling.

Im done chatting here because the question I had was answered and kinda knew that if I gave an opinion low IQ people would just start name calling rather than expressing their opinions reasonably . My opinion still stands that installed leaders are for countries like North Korea and the system that Andy Burnham used to get installed resembles North Korea more than it does democracy. Now you can go back to your low IQ blah blah name calling hatred.
 
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AndorfRequissa said:
he was put as a mp on June 19th and moved to a PM on the 22nd. That sure seems like corruption to me. As an American it makes me proud that we fought against that type of system and arent apart of it.
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Speaking as someone who works in anti bribery and corruption and has a politics degree. You do not know what corruption is and do not understand how Parliamentary democracy works. Is it a quirk but has happened before.

On that basis, you think Gerald Ford is a usurper? He wasn't on the ballot to be President or Vice President when he became president? If anything, he has no legitimacy to Burnham who had to win a by-election.


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He probably got he position because he helped setup those grooming gangs.
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Super cool libel bro. What is about right wingers throwing libelous accusations around?

AndorfRequissa said:
This is one of the reasons i dont talk politics. Fools like you make assumptions and just start name calling.

Im done chatting here because the question I had was answered and kinda knew that if I gave an opinion low IQ people would just start name calling rather than expressing their opinions reasonably . My opinion still stands that installed leaders are for countries like North Korea and the system that Andy Burnham used to get installed resembles North Korea more than it does democracy. Now you can go back to your low IQ blah blah name calling hatred.
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You complain about name calling and low IQ opinions, yet accuse Andy Burnham of starting grooming gangs...

Just to be clear, for a politics thread, this was a very civil thread. Where we had disagreement, it was respectful.
 
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AndorfRequissa said:
thanks for the explanation. thats crazy that a guy that wasnt even in political power and not even and elected MP can become prime minister without a single vote by the people. people can just get voted in and sell their spots to the highest bidder it seems. crazy levels of corruption. i didnt realize that the european system had that many loopholes in it to be corrupt. i learned something today. thanks for the lesson.
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Corrupt would be the wrong word for that. Parliamentary systems are used all over and there hasn't really been much of an issue. In most cases, you know exactly who will be the PM when you're voting for your representative. You've put your confidence in your MP that they're intelligent enough to know who should be in power.

If I'd call it anything, I'd call it elitist and a bit lazy. When you vote, it's like you are saying this person you're voting for is smart enough to make decisions for you, and you just want to go about your normal day not worrying about the smaller details. Uneducated people would rarely make it into that ecosystem, so it's harder to get a Trump like person in there. If the PM quits, then you put your confidence in the person again to help choose the most suitable person again.

The US on the other hand allows even the most uneducated group of people to choose the president. When 54% of the population reading below a 6th grade level, you can expect bad things to happen when everyone comes together to choose a leader. I won't even get into the electoral college, as we all know how terrible that is as well.
 
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AndorfRequissa said:
This is one of the reasons i dont talk politics. Fools like you make assumptions and just start name calling.

Im done chatting here because the question I had was answered and kinda knew that if I gave an opinion low IQ people would just start name calling rather than expressing their opinions reasonably . My opinion still stands that installed leaders are for countries like North Korea and the system that Andy Burnham used to get installed resembles North Korea more than it does democracy. Now you can go back to your low IQ blah blah name calling hatred.
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In what way is it similar to North Korea...? Political parties choose their own leaders, said political party was voted in, and so was Burnham. Christ, if we had a national vote every time a PM resigned we wouldn't have survived the Tories
 
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AndorfRequissa said:
My opinion still stands
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It's a stupid opinion built on your ignorance and misunderstanding of how a system you do not know the workings of. Think before calling others low iq, smooth-brain.

Repeat after me: in the UK you do NOT vote for the PM. You vote for parliament.
 
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emigre said:
Went to Makersfield and smashed it. Let's be frank, he's going to become PM now. Starmer has no political capital or credibility left. The question is, will there a leadership election or coronation?
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well...unfortunately PM has been dead for some time.
 
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