SCOTUS about to kill Voting Rights Act

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I don’t know why one would argue in favour of creating the district equivalent of racial ghettos.
Adding one or more majority-minority districts is a historical remedy imposed by the courts. When a former Confederate state's white majority pulled all the stops to suppress black voters, the courts got more aggressive in crafting remedies.

Generally, that would be the most severe remedy imposed by a court in a voting rights case. You must add a majority-minority district > you must not eliminate a majority-minority district > you must redo your maps.

VRA section 2:

(a)
No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting or standard, practice, or procedure shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision in a manner which results in a denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color, or in contravention of the guarantees set forth in section 10303(f)(2) of this title, as provided in subsection (b).
(b)
A violation of subsection (a) is established if, based on the totality of circumstances, it is shown that the political processes leading to nomination or election in the State or political subdivision are not equally open to participation by members of a class of citizens protected by subsection (a) in that its members have less opportunity than other members of the electorate to participate in the political process and to elect representatives of their choice. The extent to which members of a protected class have been elected to office in the State or political subdivision is one circumstance which may be considered: Provided, That nothing in this section establishes a right to have members of a protected class elected in numbers equal to their proportion in the population.

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I think the reason majority-minority districts were such a prominent issue is the "and to elect representatives of their choice" language. Early on, courts just presumed that black voters would want to elect black representatives - and that they would be more likely to vote for one. A majority-minority district is an almost automatic result of those presumptions - and the logical extreme of those presumptions (% race reps = % race voters) is expressly disclaimed by the last sentence.

This case didn't go so far as to ban the creation or maintenance of majority-minority districts, but it made it much harder for lower courts to impose them.

Oh, and as a practical matter, the effects of this decision are likely a good thing for the Democrats, whose likely voters were being packed into majority-minority districts. That is, in the gerrymandering sense, packing voters into a district dilutes their voting power (the inverse of 'cracking', where the gerrymanderer splits up voters into several districts where they are individually outnumbered)
 
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So Democrats create the KKK
Democrats try to keep slaves
Democrats create Jim Crow Laws
Democrats vote against desegragation
SPLC, run by Democrats, get caught funding the KKK


And you're all pissed off because the Supreme Court said you're not allowed to redistrict based off of race.

And you say Repulikkkans... as if you're clever. :rofl2:
The number of fallacies used here is just.... a nuisance to see. I feel like people have explained this to you multiple times, but you STILL seem to stick to it because you think it's a solid point. It isn't.

You’re use the word "Democrat" from the and act like it means the same today. That’s the nominal fallacy. You’re ignoring how party ideologies and voter bases change over time. That’s anachronism. You’re also trying to discredit the current group based on what people with the same name did over a century ago. That’s the genetic fallacy. There's also cherry picking, false cause, equivocation, red herring, and loaded framing. Just a smorgasbord of fallacies.

The civil war and the KKK were deeply rooted in the southern states and their social system. It's STILL deeply rooted in there. Those morons to this day still fly the confederate flag as if it's something to be proud of! If you want to complain about the sins of yesterday AND the sins of today, look to the south.

It’s just a horribly shallow argument to make. Like saying the Nazi's were left wing because they had "socialist" in the name. If the name is everything, go eat a toilet cake because "cake" is right there in the name.
 
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t’s just a horribly shallow argument to make. Like saying the Nazi's were left wing because they had "socialist" in the name. If the name is everything, go eat a toilet cake because "cake" is right there in the name.

It's not just shallow, it's bad faith whitewashing, a usual far right tactic.
 
Saddest part is, all of you numbnuts really believe what you think you know... is right. So Judge Clarence Thomas is racist and KKK too. :wacko:
 
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Saddest part is, all of you numbnuts really believe what you think you know... is right. So Judge Clarence Thomas is racist and KKK too. :wacko:
You're in no position intellectually to call anyone else numbnuts.

I can't imagine lacking this much basic awareness to continue on like this and attempting some weird deflection to Judge Thomas.

You've yet to give an explanation as to why modern KKK, Confederates and Nazis are overwhelmingly MAGA either.
 
Saddest part is, all of you numbnuts really believe what you think you know... is right. So Judge Clarence Thomas is racist and KKK too. :wacko:
Uncle Thomas? Uncle Tom for short? LOL! The guy who's the MOST bought and paid for SCOTUS out there? Even for YOU, that's a reach.

- Private jets
- Yacht vacations
- Buying a house for his mother to live in
- Paying for a nephew's tuition
- Forgiving a $2 million loan for an RV
- Tons of other "gifts" which were never declared

Harlan Crow has him so deep in his pocket that he doesn't issue opinions, just forwarded messages.
 
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ROFLMAO

So Democrats create the KKK
Democrats try to keep slaves
Democrats create Jim Crow Laws
Democrats vote against desegragation
SPLC, run by Democrats, get caught funding the KKK


And you're all pissed off because the Supreme Court said you're not allowed to redistrict based off of race.

And you say Repulikkkans... as if you're clever. :rofl2:
And who does the KKK vote for today?
 
That is *not* what the court has decided. The court has decided that race cannot be the predominant motivation (to the detriment of all other core characteristics of a district). I don’t know why one would argue in favour of creating the district equivalent of racial ghettos.
They didn't overturn or overrule that left with a lot of questions and assumptions.

States tend to assume that US Supreme Court rulings affect them, despite that only affected Louisiana.

It take multiple cases to set the precedent and sometime, US Supreme Court end up flipped for other case.

Also, US Supreme Court struck Louisiana's 2nd majority black district down in 1990s.
 
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Saddest part is, all of you numbnuts really believe what you think you know... is right. So Judge Clarence Thomas is racist and KKK too. :wacko:
Meanwhile, Clarence Thomas be like:

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You're in no position intellectually to call anyone else numbnuts.

I can't imagine lacking this much basic awareness to continue on like this and attempting some weird deflection to Judge Thomas.

You've yet to give an explanation as to why modern KKK, Confederates and Nazis are overwhelmingly MAGA either.
The real answer is, because Trump's nationalist policies sit right with them. The temu answer is because the SPLC paid them to. Fact is, it has always been dems from the beginning. And here we are decades after this magic party switch you believe happened... and Turns out Dems are the ones still funding them. I'm not the one moving goal posts. You're just keeping the blinders on, as long as it's blue.
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And who does the KKK vote for today?
So now it's ok for YOU to move goalposts and use whataboutisms? No. Democrats fund them. Republicans denounce them. They can vote for whoever they want.


Yes, Donald Trump has explicitly admonished the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), although he faced significant criticism for not doing so immediately following certain events. [1, 2]
Key Instances of Admonition:
  • Charlottesville (August 2017): After initially blaming violence "on many sides," Trump made a subsequent statement in which he declared "racism is evil" and explicitly named the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists as "criminals and thugs". He stated that these groups were "repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans".
  • Rejection of Endorsements: Trump and his campaigns have at times rejected support from individuals linked to the KKK


Your pants are on fire with this one.
 
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racial ghettos
That’s not nice to say like that and black people had centuries of horrible discriminations. Look at American history and tell to yourself.

There is no surprise about black people faced the economically disadvantaged due to past discriminations, especially Tulsa and also US government’s exploitation in black communities during crack epidemic in 1980s.

Want to blur the political advantage with race? You would need to invest and support them with boost the economy in their community that help to create the wealth. That would take decades to narrow the gap with white.

As for court ruling, they didn’t opt to invalidate the Section 2 under VRA, so it is uncertainty and there is no surprise about states want to take advantage of court ruling but it could backfired on states if court flips or backtrack to declare that map is discriminatory. I have to wait and see for follow up with new cases and it wasn’t first time nor last time for court to backtrack, so it could be related to different issues like deliberately packing the minority in one district is unacceptable as same goes with create a majority minority map under 2026 ruling.

It is very complicated case and I don’t have a good outlook about what precedent would be. I’m more favored to ban on all of gerrymandering and require to have fair maps for all states. Also, states have own laws or requirements to draw the map like require to be compact and connected for example.

As for political, the court ruling only affected the house of representative that could be under GOP control for while, even with majority democrats in US senate and president’s office, so senate cannot be gerrymandered. However, if VRA Section 2 is truly unenforceable, it could help the democrats in northern states by dismantle many of majority minority maps and replace with race neutral map that expand from city to rural to make as blue instead of limit to urban only. States with heavily gerrymandered maps run out of option, otherwise gerrymandered maps would end up go opposite instead of try to help the party. Texas, Florida, Maryland and Illinois relied on gerrymandered maps would be in those situation.

Back in 1990s, newly created of majority black districts did help to enable the republicans to take control of the house, but it wasn’t one of only reason, also dissatisfaction with Clinton and more aging southern democrats retired are two other reasons.
 
The real answer is, because Trump's nationalist policies sit right with them. The temu answer is because the SPLC paid them to. Fact is, it has always been dems from the beginning.
Jesus christ, it's in one ear and out the other with you isn't it. Even with me pointing out the MULTIPLE logical fallacies with your blatant oversimplifications.

The funny thing about your comment is that you called it the "Temu answer", which means it's of shit quality. And guess what? Your comment IS of shit quality. The SPLC paid informants within the group to get information about their plans. That's common practice.

When you were blown out of the water (pun intended) about the facts when Trump was blowing up fishermen illegally, you slithered away without admitting that you were either uninformed or directly lying even though it was definitively proven. I advise you to do the same for this one.
 
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Jesus christ, it's in one ear and out the other with you isn't it. Even with me pointing out the MULTIPLE logical fallacies with your blatant oversimplifications.

The funny thing about your comment is that you called it the "Temu answer", which means it's of shit quality. And guess what? Your comment IS of shit quality. The SPLC paid informants within the group to get information about their plans. That's common practice.

When you were blown out of the water (pun intended) about the facts when Trump was blowing up fishermen illegally, you slithered away without admitting that you were either uninformed or directly lying even though it was definitively proven. I advise you to do the same for this one.
I was never blown out of the water, dumbass. I am also perfectly aware of what "Temu answer" means. I don't need an idiot explaining my own words to me.
 
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I was never blown out of the water, dumbass. I am also perfectly aware of what "Temu answer" means. I don't need an idiot explaining my own words to me.
Then why would you call YOUR OWN answer a Temu answer!? Idiocy.

Yes, you were blown out of the water in no uncertain terms.

- Everyone said they were illegal.
- You said "Nuh-uh! They were ALL da baddies!!!!"
- You were shown that survivors were let go (You don't do that for criminals)
- You said they went to jail in their own countries
- You were shown that they were released in their own country, proving that they were innocent (Or at a minimum had zero evidence because it was blown up)
- You slunk away with your tail between your legs

Slink away, simp.
 
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