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"If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing" is a stupid quote and I'm sick of hearing it

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most of the games made these days are indy unity trash and buggy AF. you don't want to waste money play testing these do you?! because that's what your doing before they are either abandoned or never make it out of Early access! i see these games all the time on PCGT and after playing them and deleting them after less than i day i think to myself fucking hell i feel sorry for the poor fools who actually paid money for that!
 
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Dark_Ansem said:
Embarrassing and boring
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Useless and pathetic reply. Contributed nothing of substance.
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MonkeyHead79 said:
And consider the following: a game that you would otherwise find precious, you are forced on principle not to financially support for one reason or another, so the moral "high ground" is to neither purchase nor pirate and simply suffer the loss of the experience. Presumably others in the wild will still maintain pirated copies, but depending on the nature of the game and its distribution and general level of public interest, how long until the last known mirror goes offline? It happens. Next to how many games remain available, albeit near-exclusively through unofficial channels, it's an infrequent occurrence but still a scary thought, especially as more and more public archivals bite the dust over time.

In theory, then, the TRUE high ground is to pirate but then not play the game in service of keeping one more copy of it alive, but at that point... c'mon, it's right there.
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Not a single person who uses the excuse of "archiving" does so with the intention of genuinely archiving the data. As you stated, the perfect example of those who use that excuse are specifically doing it just to not feel bad when they play it. "It's right there, why shouldn't I play it? I'm already backing it up and archiving it!"

Games and softwares are not NEEDS, but WANTS. Experiencing a game is not something that a person needs to do, but entertainment they want to kill time. If you can't financially buy the game for one reason or another, then you can simply move on and either get a cheaper game or play one of the MILLIONS of free games (and a huge bunch of those are quality games) that are available to play natively a browser or that can be downloaded.

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I want to support and preserve games
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There are proper organizations who do this. Pirating games and putting them on a hard drive is NOT supporting nor preserving these games.


Pirating is something that the majority of people online do (including me), but when you try to justify it with dumb excuses such as "Buying isn't owning, so pirating isn't stealing!" or "I'm pirating it to archive and preserve it!", you cross the line into pathetic territory. You should either step up and own the fact that you're pirating or stay quiet and don't mention it to others.
 
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Not great analogy, but I think it's people being upset, that they buy scissors, but realize too late that they *need* scissors to open the pack of scissors, and whatever simple solution they thought of, is really impossible. You can also use other methods, but it will be either very unsuccessful, or end up hurting yourself in the process.


A slightly better analogy I could think of, is ordering a 500mL glass bottle of water at a restaurant.

It used to be, that you got an open bottle of water, you could drink it, you could spill it on yourself, do anything you wanted, as long as you didn't do anything obscene, didn't cause a racket, and didn't damage the things around you. Then you'd return the bottle as per agreement, and go on with your day.

Nowdays, you go to the restaurant (herein "Restaurant"), you get lectured for 12 minutes in a foreign language you don't understand, but forced to listen to. Then, you have to sign a paper as proof that you have understood and listened to the lecture (even though you've probably signed away rights to your kidneys, however enforcable it is in court or not), just to get the water (herein "Water", "Water Bottle", "Goods").
You get the Water, but it still has the cap on. You are not allowed to touch the bottle, it always has to be handled by the server. You are not allowed to drink from it, it always has to be administered intravenously by the server. You are only entitled to 200mL per day, while supplies last. Water Bottle is only valid in Restaurant it was purchased in. The Restaurant may revoke your permission to the water at any point, without any notice or reason. Restaurant is not responsible for monetary damaged as a result of incomplete or damaged goods, and does not issue refunds, all sale is final where there is no obligation to pay. You are not allowed to sue the Restaurant if you get medical damage as a result of incorrect administering, or damage caused by lack of servers administering it to you in a timely manner. The burden is on you for the loss of Goods caused by servers' improper handling of the Water Bottle. Typical administering speed is guaranteed at 0mL/hr, with typical administering speeds of 200mL/hr. Typical serving size is 160mL, guaranteed 60mL.



I don't give a flying fuck about these artificial limitations. Just give me the damn thing, and leave me alone.

If having to use a "bottle opener" on the game I bought the license to is considered piracy, then I'm a yarr-harr-diddledy-fucking-dee pirate.
I will make as many copies *for myself* as I want, and I will adapt the game to any of my platforms as much as I want. I will go great lengths to bypass the artificial locks, if that's what it takes to adapt the game to a different platform of my choice.
I will not lease, lend, sublicense, etc., those copies to anyone else that is not myself, I will respect that part of the license. For anything else, gargle a hedgehog ass.
 
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Not great analogy, but I think it's people being upset, that they buy scissors, but realize too late that they *need* scissors to open the pack of scissors, and whatever simple solution they thought of, is really impossible. You can also use other methods, but it will be either very unsuccessful, or end up hurting yourself in the process.


A slightly better analogy I could think of, is ordering a 500mL glass bottle of water at a restaurant.

It used to be, that you got an open bottle of water, you could drink it, you could spill it on yourself, do anything you wanted, as long as you didn't do anything obscene, didn't cause a racket, and didn't damage the things around you. Then you'd return the bottle as per agreement, and go on with your day.

Nowdays, you go to the restaurant (herein "Restaurant"), you get lectured for 12 minutes in a foreign language you don't understand, but forced to listen to. Then, you have to sign a paper as proof that you have understood and listened to the lecture (even though you've probably signed away rights to your kidneys, however enforcable it is in court or not), just to get the water (herein "Water", "Water Bottle", "Goods").
You get the Water, but it still has the cap on. You are not allowed to touch the bottle, it always has to be handled by the server. You are not allowed to drink from it, it always has to be administered intravenously by the server. You are only entitled to 200mL per day, while supplies last. Water Bottle is only valid in Restaurant it was purchased in. The Restaurant may revoke your permission to the water at any point, without any notice or reason. Restaurant is not responsible for monetary damaged as a result of incomplete or damaged goods, and does not issue refunds, all sale is final where there is no obligation to pay. You are not allowed to sue the Restaurant if you get medical damage as a result of incorrect administering, or damage caused by lack of servers administering it to you in a timely manner. The burden is on you for the loss of Goods caused by servers' improper handling of the Water Bottle. Typical administering speed is guaranteed at 0mL/hr, with typical administering speeds of 200mL/hr. Typical serving size is 160mL, guaranteed 60mL.



I don't give a flying fuck about these artificial limitations. Just give me the damn thing, and leave me alone.

If having to use a "bottle opener" on the game I bought the license to is considered piracy, then I'm a yarr-harr-diddledy-fucking-dee pirate.
I will make as many copies *for myself* as I want, and I will adapt the game to any of my platforms as much as I want. I will go great lengths to bypass the artificial locks, if that's what it takes to adapt the game to a different platform of my choice.
I will not lease, lend, sublicense, etc., those copies to anyone else that is not myself, I will respect that part of the license. For anything else, gargle a hedgehog ass.
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Pretty much that.

I don't think most people using the "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing" quote are actually trying to classify what they're doing as non-piracy, it's more like "If I'm gonna be subject to bullshit, then I'm not gonna feel bad about pirating it".
 
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So companies want to ditch physical media and have us use long-term rentals instead? Maybe, but they'd need to apply a hefty discount and they certainly aren't gonna do it those greedy bastards.

Don't complain when people pirate as that's the way they have access to the actual files so it's what it has come to.

When I see Switch 2 Key Cards I just don't get it, it's more Code in a Box crap and yes I know you can download the game, play it, and resell it. I can't imagine it being worth much (Pokopia is because it's Pokeman).
 

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