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SciresM (Atmosphere developer) is retiring

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wurstpistole said:
That's bullshit. If there was any leverage from that side, they would've done it years ago.
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Yeah, my thoughts exactly. His code was 100% clean and didn't enable piracy by itself. Nintendo knows they'd have a nothing_burger.png if they tried to sue, and they don't like wasting money if they don't believe they could 100% win a case.
 
Jayro said:
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. His code was 100% clean and didn't enable piracy by itself. Nintendo knows they'd have a nothing_burger.png if they tried to sue, and they don't like wasting money if they don't believe they could 100% win a case.
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i dunno they probably feel pretty emboldened cause of switch emulators e(xcluding Yuzu for their stupid mistake) the main reason why it's plausable is because mike *scriesM) will probably not fight back due to the risk of legal precident (Scotus is packed with corrupt judges who obviously are pro corp)
 
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wurstpistole said:
That's bullshit. If there was any leverage from that side, they would've done it years ago.
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Not quite, within the gigaleaks, Nintendo was trying to figure out who he was IRL. (while legally dubious, the threat having Nintendo breath down your neck isn't exactly pleasant)
 
ELY_M said:
I think Nintendo sent him C & D letter.
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I'm too unsure because timeframe don't make sense and Nintendo would have to send one long time ago.

Even if Nintendo send C&D letter to him, it wouldn't stop the Atmosphere development and it would be done by group of CFW developers that Nintendo don't know about who are them. Nintendo went after emulators but it didn't stop the emulators from developing under different names, so it is cat and mouse chase.

Also, Atmosphere intentionally exclude the piracy to avoid the liability and users have to use third party tool like sigpatches to enable the piracy.

Unlike emulators that is gray area or unclear with copyright law (emulator developers would need to appeal all way to US Supreme Court to set the precedent about legality of emulators), Nintendo has no case to win the lawsuit against Atmosphere that just enable the CFW to have unrestricted access within console like cheat, save sharing, translation patch, mods and homebrew apps that is not related to piracy. I believe that emulator developers rather to give up to not deal with high legal fees like happened to Bleem! that got shut down because of high legal bill.

I do wish that emulator developers would continue the fight all way to US Supreme Court, so if emulator don't violate the copyright law, Nintendo would be real pissed off and possibly lobbying to the Congress to change the copyright law to make emulator as illegal.
 
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Jayro said:
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. His code was 100% clean and didn't enable piracy by itself. Nintendo knows they'd have a nothing_burger.png if they tried to sue, and they don't like wasting money if they don't believe they could 100% win a case.
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also you forgot the DMCCA still makes it illegal to circumvent security sigpatches or not doesn't matter
 
Jayro said:
But again, that's left up to the users to figure out.
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he still has to circumvent the security to make it run on the switch first basicly all cfw on any system or any temp cfw like hen on ps4/5 is technicly illegal (i think bypassing/exploiting the security is also covered in the language), i'm not pro nintendo quite the opposite i'm just spelling out the law
 
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chrisrlink said:
he still has to circumvent the security to make it run on the switch first basicly all cfw on any system or any temp cfw like hen on ps4/5 is technicly illegal (i think bypassing/exploiting the security is also covered in the language), i'm not pro nintendo quite the opposite i'm just spelling out the law
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No, you really don't know what you're talking about. Atmosphere does not circumvent any security whatsoever. YOU need to do that with something else (glitch the system with a modchip or go through RCM), for Atmosphere to run. Because Atmosphere does no such thing. Nintendo would have been all over it within a month (ie, YEARS AGO) if they could possibly slam it with DCMA.
 
urherenow said:
No, you really don't know what you're talking about. Atmosphere does not circumvent any security whatsoever. YOU need to do that with something else (glitch the system with a modchip or go through RCM), for Atmosphere to run. Because Atmosphere does no such thing. Nintendo would have been all over it within a month (ie, YEARS AGO) if they could possibly slam it with DCMA.
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Atmosphere cfw still also to pull keys and do key derivation if I am not mistaken, and still encrypts and and signs it. It got moved around to something else, but it was part of the sept payload that existed.
 
SciresM: I'm tired, I'm leaving.
Comments: it can't be! Nintendo forced him!

Bro got older and tired of doing same routine after every system update. It was passion project. And passion gone over time.
That's it.
 
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x149te said:
SciresM: I'm tired, I'm leaving.
Comments: it can't be! Nintendo forced him!

Bro got older and tired of doing same routine after every system update. It was passion project. And passion gone over time.
That's it.
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That's a bit reductionist. The problem is Nintendo Ninjas are real. (From the Gigaleaks)

We actually do know ex-hombrew developers, who quit developing homebrew, because Nintendo went after them.

So it creates the problem where, people can't be 100% sure that they are choosing to stop out of their own volition.

I personally believe that yeah, he just grew bored of it. But unfortunately I also cannot fully close the possibility that Nintendo somehow got involved. (not saying that's what happened, I am saying I can't believe with 100% certainty is my point)
 
Reualed said:
That's a bit reductionist. The problem is Nintendo Ninjas are real. (From the Gigaleaks)

We actually do know ex-hombrew developers, who quit developing homebrew, because Nintendo went after them.

So it creates the problem where, people can't be 100% sure that they are choosing to stop out of their own volition.

I personally believe that yeah, he just grew bored of it. But unfortunately I also cannot fully close the possibility that Nintendo somehow got involved. (not saying that's what happened, I am saying I can't believe with 100% certainty is my point)
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So, someone, who for 6 years, has been maintaining a cfw and reporting bugs to Nintendo, just all of a sudden, got ninja'd? I find that highly unlikely, especially since the project is still up
 
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