U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

[Deleted member 559230]

Fair enough, well I still don't believe that the bill gives the rights you say it does and neither does

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...orado-law-does-not-allow-abortions-until-mom/

If it turns out that he did, then it will get overturned for sure as the status quo is based on roe vs wade

Yes, the bill doesn't explicitly legalize abortions through 9 months as that's not what the bill is for. What the new law does is codify the existing laws. I already stated this in my post about the law. So yes, the fact check is correct, but the current law that was codified allows abortions up until birth, regardless if the baby is dead already or not for any reason the mother wants. That's why the news media is stating that women can have abortions up until birth in Colorado. It's because they can (according to the existing law that was codified by the Governor's recent bill).

 

[smf]

You said that you don’t have a personal opinion and that there’s room for a discussion. That’s not an argument for or against reducing the window in question. You didn’t answer the question, you said a bunch of unrelated guff and then got flustered when I said that’s not an answer.

I made my point very clearly the first time

I'm liberal and maybe the current time scales could be moved to reduce the window a little. The vase majority of abortions take place in less than half the deadline. But I think women and doctors are better suited to deciding what should change. Maybe nothing should.

But you clearly misunderstood what I wrote

Why do you think the current window could be reduced? Can you substantiate that opinion?

I can't answer your question, because you are asking me to justify a position that I never claimed to have.

So either you don't understand english, or you've gone back to trolling again. I am leaning on trolling.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

of course i don't think they can get abortions without sex, i'm not a incel retard who spends all his time browsing reddit.

i meant i don't want it used as a form of birth control.

Most abortions are done out of convenience, so they are being used simply because the mother doesn't want the child (ie- as a form of birth control). Abortions for rape, incest or medical reasons are a small minority of why women get them.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

of course i don't think they can get abortions without sex, i'm not a incel retard who spends all his time browsing reddit.

i meant i don't want it used as a form of birth control.

You just said

The problem I have is when people get abortions to get out of the consequences of having sex. That's when it irks me.

so let me ask.
Is getting raped, or having a condom breaking, or birth control failing, and getting an abortion, classified as "getting out of the consequences of having sex"

Would you support abortion in this conditions? and if so. How would you verify that they happened?

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Nice soap box. What's with you being on a gamer board calling people cucks and incel? Are you trying to be ironic? Take a nap. Nothing of what you said actually addresses any point that I've made. It's quite disappointing.

No, I'm calling you by name and surname.

It actually does, but you're illiterate.

 

[smf]

So yes, the fact check is correct, but the current law that was codified allows abortions up until birth, regardless if the baby is dead already or not for any reason the mother wants. That's why the news media is stating that women can have abortions up until birth in Colorado. It's because they can (according to the existing law that was codified by the Governor's recent bill).

If the existing law allows abortions until birth, then the governors recent bill hasn't changed anything.
Was anyone having abortions that late?

 

[smf]

Most abortions are done out of convenience, so they are being used simply because the mother doesn't want the child (ie- as a form of birth control). Abortions for rape, incest or medical reasons are a small minority of why women get them.

For rape and incest, it's still because the mother doesn't want the child as a form of birth control.
You're just saying that there are good reasons why the mother doesn't want the child and bad reasons.

Which should be no surprise as the USA is the last western country with the death penalty.

So the right to life is not quite as cut and dried. It seems to be more about fire and brimstone.

 

[Foxi4]

I made my point very clearly the first time

I'm liberal and maybe the current time scales could be moved to reduce the window a little. The vase majority of abortions take place in less than half the deadline. But I think women and doctors are better suited to deciding what should change. Maybe nothing should.

But you clearly misunderstood what I wrote

Why do you think the current window could be reduced? Can you substantiate that opinion?

I can't answer your question, because you are asking me to justify a position that I never claimed to have.

So either you don't understand english, or you've gone back to trolling again. I am leaning on trolling.

I think I’m going to have an aneurysm if you make one more backflip and twirl over the actual query. I’ll ask again, slowly. You said that most liberals are not in support of allowing abortion to take place regardless of the circumstances and that you can see the possibility of the current window being reduced. You’ve subsequently made it clear that you don’t share this sentiment. What I am asking you, @smf, in this year of our lord 2022, is what you think the justification for such a reduction might be, from the perspective of a liberal. What would be the justification your fellow liberals would use in this instance, in your opinion? I can’t make the question any clearer. You’re the one saying that this possibility exists - I’m asking you why it exists. Is there a specific reason you as a liberal can cite? I’m not asking you whether you agree with it or not, I’m asking you for a reason why you said what you’ve said.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Abortions for rape, incest or medical reasons are a small minority of why women get them.

fails to mention condoms breaking or birth control failing.
I'll ask you the same condition as the last person I just responded to

so let me ask.
Is getting raped, or having a condom breaking, or birth control failing, and getting an abortion, classified as "getting out of the consequences of having sex"

Would you support abortion in this conditions? and if so. How would you verify that they happened?

 

[smf]

I think I’m going to have an aneurysm if you make one more backflip and twirl over the actual query. I’ll ask again, slowly. You said that most liberals are not in support of allowing abortion to take place regardless of the circumstances and that you can see the possibility of the current window being reduced. You’ve subsequently made it clear that you don’t share this sentiment. What I am asking you, @smf, in this year of our lord 2022, is what you think the justification for such a reduction might be, from the perspective of a liberal. What would be the justification your fellow liberals would use in this instance, in your opinion? I can’t make the question any clearer.

The point I've repeatedly tried to make, which is falling on deaf ears.

Is that as a man without any kind of specialist medical knowledge (as we all are), I personally can't justify a reduction. That is what being liberal means, realizing that there are strong arguments on both sides and that it's difficult to choose between them.

All I know, is that your views are too extreme and I'll argue against them. But as for moving up or down a week or two, it's a much more complex issue. I am not going to go out there and distill everyone elses arguments for you. If someone makes a compelling argument and it seems about right, then I'll let you know.

Maybe if you can begin to understand that, then you'll make some progress.

If you wanted to make an argument for moving up or down a couple of weeks, backed by some kind of scientific evidence then I'll consider it.

 

[Foxi4]

The point I've repeatedly tried to make, which is falling on deaf ears.

Is that as a man without any kind of specialist medical knowledge (as we all are), I personally can't justify a reduction. That is what being liberal means, realizing that there are strong arguments on both sides and that it's difficult to choose between them.

All I know, is that your views are too extreme and I'll argue against them. But as for moving up or down a week or two, it's a much more complex issue.

Maybe if you can begin to understand that, then you'll make some progress.

You don’t know my views, I haven’t stated them as of yet.

 

[MicroNut99]

Most abortions are done out of convenience, so they are being used simply because the mother doesn't want the child (ie- as a form of birth control). Abortions for rape, incest or medical reasons are a small minority of why women get them.

"Most abortions are done out of convenience"
This statement is born out of ignorance, chauvinistic at best and a lie at worst.

 

[Foxi4]

If you wanted to make an argument for moving up or down a couple of weeks, backed by some kind of scientific evidence then I'll consider it.

Go for it, champ. I only asked you a couple times.

 

[smf]

You don’t know my views, I haven’t stated them as of yet.

So all this time you've been asked loaded questions that give an indication of your views, has all been a trolling maneuver.

I see, so when are we going to have the big reveal. I'll go grab popcorn.

 

[tabzer]

No, I'm falling you by name and surname.

What? Too illiterate, can't understand.

It actually does, but you're illiterate.

Your post does nothing to address the incompatibility (or compatibility) in the analogy between enforced pregnancy and forced organ transplant. If you think being forced to term is comparable to forcing someone to give up a kidney, that's not pro-life or pro-choice; it's just stupid.

 

[smf]

Go for it, champ. I only asked you a couple times.

You need to seek medical help. What you quoted was me saying I'd consider your argument. How can I go for it? You haven't posted an argument.

I repeat: If you wanted to make an argument for moving up or down a couple of weeks, backed by some kind of scientific evidence then I'll consider it.

I think your aneurysm finally burst.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

What? Too illiterate, can't understand.

Then no one can help you, sorry.

Your post does nothing to address the incompatibility (or compatibility) in the analogy between enforced pregnancy and forced organ transplant. If you think being forced to term is comparable to forcing someone to give up a kidney, that's not pro-life or pro-choice; it's just stupid.

Which is neither what I was talking about nor what you said that bothered me especially, as you'd know if you weren't a disingenous liar.

 

[smf]

If you think being forced to term is comparable to forcing someone to give up a kidney, that's not pro-life or pro-choice; it's just stupid.

Ok, so the kidney isn't going to grow back. Would you prefer if the analogy was forced bone marrow donation?

Both are painful, both are a risk to life, but generally survivable.

Bone marrow grows back within four to six weeks, so you should have no argument?

 

[tabzer]

Then no one can help you, sorry.

Which is neither what I was talking about nor what you said that bothered me especially, as you'd know if you weren't a disingenous liar.

Yeah, still not getting substance.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

"Most abortions are done out of convenience"
This statement is born out of ignorance, chauvinistic at best and a lie at worst.

I'm just quoting the statistics. I was surprised to learn that most abortions are done out of convenience too.

https://www.hli.org/resources/why-women-abort/
https://www.verywellhealth.com/reasons-for-abortion-906589
https://www.guttmacher.org/journals...ons-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

fails to mention condoms breaking or birth control failing.
I'll ask you the same condition as the last person I just responded to

I don't think abortions should happen for any reason, including the condom breaking or the women being raped.