U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

[Deleted member 559230]

ROFL ... Lacius "Abortion doesn't kill the baby". I think someone needs to do a google search on the results of abortions using the picture search feature.

 

[Lacius]

The reason I barely reply to you is that you are clearly here to desinfo users.

Unlike you, I read the info on a bill that they try to push also 10 weeks ago and fail a bill they want so they can campaign on it to try and not get destroyed in the midterms.

it creates a right to abortion through 9 months of pregnancy in all 50 states literally one of the things the bill does.

You apparently missed all the parts of the bill about fetal viability, just like when you misread the poll showing the vast majority of Americans oppose overturning Roe.

 

[Lacius]

ROFL ... Lacius "Abortion doesn't kill the baby". I think someone needs to do a google search on the results of abortions using the picture search feature.

I said abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, not the killing of a fetus. There's an important distinction. The fetus dies because it cannot live outside the mother. If the fetus can survive outside the mother, it's called a birth. That's why fetal viability is so important, and it's why it comes up numerous times in the bill @Valwinz didn't read closely enough to see.

A woman has a right to bodily autonomy, so she should be able to end a pregnancy whenever she wants. If we could somehow move an embryo or fetus somewhere where it could survive after ending a pregnancy, then we wouldn't have any issues. That is, however, not an option with our medical technology.

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

I'm already in a state where it will remain legal, this isn't about me.

I wouldn't hold my breath. It was later dismissed but he may have accidently said the quiet part out loud too soon and now he trying to backpedal to avoid sabotaging the GOP taking majority in the midterms by downplaying a federal ban and then doing it after they have majority when it's too late.

I believe depending on the level of their potential majority, they won't leave this to the states and will force this on everyone if they think they can get away with it. This bastard has lied though his teeth before.

 

[Lumstar]

I said abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, not the killing of a fetus. There's an important distinction. The fetus dies because it cannot live outside the mother. If the fetus can survive outside the mother, it's called a birth. That's why fetal viability is so important, and it's why it comes up numerous times in the bill @Valwinz didn't read closely enough to see.

A woman has a right to bodily autonomy, so she should be able to end a pregnancy whenever she wants. If we could somehow move an embryo or fetus somewhere where it could survive after ending a pregnancy, then we wouldn't have any issues. That is, however, not an option with our medical technology.

The anti-abortion people also neglect to mention there's no conceivable reason a person would act with malice toward a fetus. It doesn't have the capacity to be held responsible for pregnancy complications.

Mind you the weirdest scenarios are pretty heartless. I'd certainly be disappointed in a mother who accepted a bribe to get an abortion, but anything like that is too rare to justify restrictions.

 

[Xzi]

I wouldn't hold my breath. It was later dismissed but he may have accidently said the quiet part out loud too soon and now he trying to backpedal to avoid sabotaging the GOP taking majority in the midterms by downplaying a federal ban and then doing it after they have majority when it's too late.

I believe depending on the level of their potential majority, they won't leave this to the states and will force this on everyone if they think they can get away with it. This bastard has lied though his teeth before.

Oh yeah, I'm definitely aware that religious extremists will do just about anything to try to get their way in this issue, up to and including becoming terrorists. I made another comment in this thread about the high likelihood of increased attacks on abortion clinics in legal states. In a similar vein, we already get a lot of robbery of our marijuana dispensaries, and it wouldn't surprise me if many of the culprits were from out of state.

 

[SG854]

I wonder why none of the pro-lifers have addressed my concerns about the contradictions to "big government?" Why is it only "big government" when the federal government creates a law limiting state government from limiting rights? Why isn't big government for the states to limit and interfere in the lives of the people?

They claim to care about human life. But when it comes to wearing the mask they refused to wear the mask and walk in public exposing others to deadly virus that kills people because muh freedom of choice. Yet they want to restrict a women freedom to get abortion. They are inconsistent.

 

[tabzer]

If we could somehow move an embryo or fetus somewhere where it could survive after ending a pregnancy, then we wouldn't have any issues.

This isn't true unless you are suggesting that there is an agreement on embryonic rights to gestation, which there clearly isn't.

 

[tabzer]

Souls don't exist, it's just brain activity (which happens around week 24-25). A fetus is not a baby or child either.

https://helloclue.com/articles/preg...fference-between-an-embryo-a-fetus-and-a-baby

Souls exist:

"Soul" is neʹphesh and psy·kheʹ. They refer to the living body. Living creatures are "souls". If you are going to focus on ethereal aspects, then you have to have a form of measurement for the ethereal.

As for white-knighting, that's what is going on both sides of the aisle. If you need to get an abortion and your life depends on it, you will make the decision. The idea of "economic hardship" entering the decision making process seems to attempt to put a price tag on life and may be equally as bad as the systems that have promoted the circumstances in the first place.

Afaik, abortion isn't a constitutional matter. The connection to the 14th amendment makes as much sense to me as other stretches people take with other kinds of literature (ie. scripture). This "controversy" appears to be a smokescreen or a fool's errand.

The pro-lifers are hand waving why embryos should have rights, so it's fair.

To handwave is to treat a subject as if it is no big deal, or even "irrelevant".

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/handwave

I don't think it would be pro-lifers "hand waving why embryos should have rights" when they are the ones pushing for it.

I am not arguing about whether or not they should or should not have rights. I am arguing that if the embryo had rights, which is what the original analogy I was responding to was not accounting for--and the second, still failing.

Thing is, if there wasn't for the pro-lifer's making stupid arguments we could actually have grown up arguments about these issues.

So in that regard, you aren't helping them either. The psychological and emotional repercussions are caused by society as a whole. If you told everyone that it wasn't a big deal from birth, then why do you think there would be repercussions?

If anything, this is the reason why the pro-lifers want to ban abortions. Because they don't want everyone to become ok with it.

Calling abortion no big deal doesn't make abortion no big deal. That's sociopathic.

You could say the same thing about pedophilia and you'd still be wrong for the same logical fallacies.

 

[smf]

it creates a right to abortion through 9 months of pregnancy in all 50 states literally one of the things the bill does.

No, it literally doesn't.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3755/text

(8) A prohibition on abortion at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability, including a prohibition or restriction on a particular abortion procedure.
(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.

This is another case of pro life hysteria.

The only situation where an abortion would be allowed right up to the end of a pregnancy, is if the fetus was already dead.

What pro lifers want to do is force women to carry a dead fetus for 9 months.

 

[smf]

Souls exist:

To handwave is to treat a subject as if it is no big deal, or even "irrelevant".

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/handwave

I don't think it would be pro-lifers "hand waving why embryos should have rights" when they are the ones pushing for it..

They are hand waving away all the logical reasons why a clumb of unviable cells shouldn't have rights that override an actual living breathing person.

Souls are mumbo jumbo. What you think of as a soul is mainly just learned behavior, which happens after birth.

 

[smf]

Calling abortion no big deal doesn't make abortion no big deal. That's sociopathic.

Calling a clump of unviable cells a big deal doesn't make it a big deal.

Calling something sociopathic doesn't make it sociopathic.

 

[tabzer]

Calling a clump of unviable cells a big deal doesn't make it a big deal.

I'm not. Please continue. Talk about how you are an adult.

 

[smf]

I'm not. Please continue. Talk about how you are an adult.

You always act weird when you are losing an argument, it's funny.

Do you have anything to add to your argument?

 

[tabzer]

You always act weird when you are losing an argument, it's funny.

I am not "calling a clump of unviable cells a big deal".

It's literally not the argument.

Also saying souls don't exist after I demonstrated that the definition of souls refer to living creatures is childish, and/or sociopathic.

Changing your arguments retroactively indicates that I am successful in swaying you.

Do you have anything to add to your argument?

I would add that it's just about as much as my place to decide what an abortion means to someone as it is yours. Saying that I don't think it is your place is not the same as saying that I think it is my place. Hopefully you can comprehend what I am getting at. Spelling it out and building a family of parrots is not my goal.

 

[smf]

Also saying souls don't exist after I demonstrated that the definition of souls refer to living creatures is childish, and/or sociopathic.

Everything to you is sociopathic. I'm beginning to think it's projection.

You haven't demonstrated anything. A soul is a made up term that represents manifestations of brain activity.

That doesn't start at conception, because there is no brain at that point.

The general 24 week cutoff for abortions is because that is around when brain activity starts.

I'm not sure how you think you've swayed me, you haven't really said anything of substance.

I would add that it's just about as much as my place to decide what an abortion means to someone as it is yours.

So you support roe v wade then? Pro lifers want to decide what an abortion means to someone.
The whole point of getting rid of roe v wade is to decide what an abortion means to someone.

 

[tabzer]

Everything to you is sociopathic. I'm beginning to think it's projection.

Saying (believing) living creatures don't exist is the bedrock of sociopathy. Lol.

You haven't demonstrated anything. A soul is a made up term that represents manifestations of brain activity.

Correction, you demonstrated that you either didn't read or comprehend what I posted about it. You aren't even disagreeing with any points that were brought up, so you probably just didn't read. Now, I'm leaning "childish".

 

[smf]

Saying (believing) living creatures don't exist is the bedrock of sociopathy. Lol.

Oh, so what you're saying is that I'm sociopathic because I disagree that soul means "living creatures" just because you says it does. Yes, I'm leaning on projection.

I read what you posted and it's basically nonsense & doesn't argue against any of the points I made. So why would I go down your rabbit hole?

For the avoidance of doubt, I mentioned soul because of this post.

As far as I'm concerned, the soul of a child is in the ova, and the sperm cells are basically organic activation keys (or cards)

So by arguing against me, you appear to be in support of this magical definition of soul. Is that what you're saying? I can't work out whether you are trolling, or just not paying attention.

You might want to read what non magical thinking people say

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul#Physics

If you want to continue talking about souls, then please discuss the points raised there.

 

[tabzer]

I disagree that soul means "living creatures" just because you says it does.

Oh, so you disagree.

I read what you posted and it's basically nonsense & doesn't argue against any of the points I made

It etymologically defines what a soul is. That's not nonsense. That's historical record. Nonsense is your definition despite the evidence, and I don't know why you would both hold onto it and argue against it. That seems like the definition of insanity.

 

[tabzer]

So by arguing against me, you appear to be in support of this magical definition of soul. Is that what you're saying? I can't work out whether you are trolling, or just not paying attention.

I don't think that's considered "magical". It's something that I cannot prove and it's more of an interesting belief than an actual argument. I can't prove to you anything about ethereal claims about the soul. I can only prove that the soul exists because the language which it comes from refers to a real thing, (unless you are a sociopath who cannot be convinced that life exists outside of you ).