U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

[tabzer]

My point was never once that abortion should be legal because "pregnancy can be analogous to cancer."

Specifically, the point your comment makes is that she should be able to treat pregnancy like she treats cancer. Your comment about the possibility of pregnancy being "analogous to cancer" is an attempt to make it palatable. Ergo, your comment reads analogous to "a pregnancy can be like cancer, so a women should be able to treat pregnancy like cancer".

You bring up cancer every time you talk about it, and honestly, I have no idea why you even started trying to defend the comparison other than your clear desire to come off as edgy and witty.

 

[Stone_Wings]

Comparing embryos to cancer was your shortcut to handwave the proposed embryonic rights vs woman's rights conundrum. That's already documented. You weren't even trying to be nuanced and I pointed that out too.

And here it is again. You go from step 1: saying that unwanted pregnancy "can" be like cancer, to step 2: treat pregnancy like it's cancer.

VERY servere reading comprehension issues. VERY severe. Like you said, way to keep up.

 

[Lacius]

You bring up cancer every time you talk about it, and honestly, I have no idea why you even started trying to defend the comparison other than your clear desire to come off as edgy and witty.

I didn't bring up cancer. I've only mentioned it when responding to you. It was never part of my argument.

An unwanted pregnancy is analogous to cancer though. I've explained how. My point in explaining this to you is to show there are very real reasons why a woman might want to terminate a pregnancy. That is all.

I'm still waiting for you to address my point about bodily autonomy and when the state should or shouldn't be able to interfere. Thanks.

Specifically, the point your comment makes is that she should be able to treat pregnancy like she treats cancer.

Why shouldn't she be able to? In general, she should be able to do whatever she wants to her body for whatever reason she wants to do it.

 

[Dr_Faustus]

Unborn life is still precious regardless how you want to classify it and your last paragraph might make some people upset because apparently men can also have babies and you're a bigot for pointing out the differences between them and females.

Then with that concept in mind whenever anyone tosses off to a spank mag that in itself counts as bad as an abortion since sperm is just as justifiable as being labeled "unborn life" as whenever a sperm lucks out to meet with an unfertilized egg. Hell if anything it puts it more against us men because a woman simply produces an egg, its the guy who carries the seed of life, which means any time you ejaculate you are killing thousands of potential babies that could have been just as likely walking on this earth than any one singular example that would be terminated in early development of pregnancy.


I think I get it here, perhaps we should make male masturbation illegal since that kills so much potential "unborn life". Makes just about as much sense if not more when it comes to the pro-life definition of protecting unborn life. Turn No-Nut November into an everyday permanent law!

If you were reading what I wrote, and that was your first thought, you don't have the attention span for this. Take a seat.

Empty words to make yourself sound superior without a proper defense, unfortunately you are not a politician nor is this a political debate between two candidates. It holds no water here.

Also for someone who is not even from the states supposedly you have a lot of opinion on this. Perhaps its just Japan's insistence on life being important due to their lowering birth rate. A situation that is born out of the ass backwards culture over there of putting work and career above all else over that the idea of getting a girlfriend, getting married and having kids is not the way to succeed in life over there. Then of course you have the NEET's too but that is another problem.

 

[Iamapirate]

They're also facts, and many of them show the system isn't as democratic as people think.


Could you tell that to the majority of Republicans who continue to whine (incorrectly, I might add) the election was stolen in 2020? Thanks.


An embryo/fetus is not an organ of the mother.


If I require a donation of one of your kidneys to survive, a.) I'm a sentient person with rights, and b.) I didn't create the condition of needing a new kidney. Does that mean the state gets to require you to donate your kidney to me? Does that mean it's murder if you don't?

By your logic here, you seem to suggest that the answers are "yes" and "yes."

Funny to me that Democrats who haven't recognised any Republican President as legitimate since Bush 1, and also complain about Georgia 18 with unsubstantiated conspiracies about voter suppression are so vocal about 2020 election conspiracies. There's already rhetoric about how Trump/Republicans are gonna "steal" 2022 or 2024. This is just how things are now. The populace is so polarised that everyone will deem their opposition as evil and illegitimate.

 

[Iamapirate]

Was working a job and handling kids until evening, but whatever. Medicade is tax funded at the state level with some amount of federal matching and has limitations on what it can be used on, yet PP actually still opts to pay out of pocket even when denied. As for what the topic has progressed to... you've moved on to asking for European countries that support full term abortions and comparing zygotes and embryos to kidneys for some reason. Real progress... sorry, but you've got nothing useful to offer and never have.

So you're saying that you don't care about democracy so much as victory towards a minority agenda? Interesting stuff. Sounds kinda totalitarian, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Also, Democrats have had full control and not done those sorts of things, so... no? I don't much care for the party myself, but they tend to at least make an effort to seem interested in compromise.

No to tell you the truth I'm not very fond of democracy given how generally stupid and uninterested the public seems to be, and the results you get from the process. But how I feel is irrelevant. I'm telling you how it is, not how it ought to be. You can't dispute that Trump or Bush won their elections and were legitimate presidents. All you can do is complain that the system is flawed.

No? Select dem senators have been pushing for abolishing the filibuster. You have influencers, pundits and figures, talking about packing the court, voter reform, abolition of electoral college etc. These would count as changing the rules.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

Then with that concept in mind whenever anyone tosses off to a spank mag that in itself counts as bad as an abortion since sperm is just as justifiable as being labeled "unborn life" as whenever a sperm lucks out to meet with an unfertilized egg. Hell if anything it puts it more against us men because a woman simply produces an egg, its the guy who carries the seed of life, which means any time you ejaculate you are killing thousands of potential babies that could have been just as likely walking on this earth than any one singular example that would be terminated in early development of pregnancy.


I think I get it here, perhaps we should make male masturbation illegal since that kills so much potential "unborn life". Makes just about as much sense if not more when it comes to the pro-life definition of protecting unborn life. Turn No-Nut November into an everyday permanent law!

Empty words to make yourself sound superior without a proper defense, unfortunately you are not a politician nor is this a political debate between two candidates. It holds no water here.

Also for someone who is not even from the states supposedly you have a lot of opinion on this. Perhaps its just Japan's insistence on life being important due to their lowering birth rate. A situation that is born out of the ass backwards culture over there of putting work and career above all else over that the idea of getting a girlfriend, getting married and having kids is not the way to succeed in life over there. Then of course you have the NEET's too but that is another problem.

Sperm has yet to impregnate the egg and can be discarded, as nature intended. There's nothing wrong with discarding semen and it's nowhere comparable to a growing unborn baby regardless of what you claim.

@tabzer - It looks like calling the baby in the mothers womb by other names than a baby and classifying it as a non-human helps these satanic baby killing lunatics deal with the fact they've killed and want to kill human babies. They are pure evil and calling the baby comparable to "cancer", which @Lacius is doing is just wrong on many, many levels.

 

[Lacius]

Funny to me that Democrats who haven't recognised any Republican President as legitimate since Bush 1

Every Republican President since Bush 1 has been "legitimate." There just haven't been any non-incumbent candidates for president from the Republican side that have won the popular vote.

and also complain about Georgia 18 with unsubstantiated conspiracies about voter suppression

There were very real conflict of interest and voter purge issues in Georgia in 2018. These are not conspiracy theories. You can find information here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Georgia_gubernatorial_election#Electoral_controversies

are so vocal about 2020 election conspiracies.

There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud in 2020.

There's already rhetoric about how Trump/Republicans are gonna "steal" 2022 or 2024.

Yeah. Trump tried to overturn the election in 2020, and Republicans are putting people into power who would have overturned the election in 2020, and will do it if given the chance in 2024.

@tabzer - It looks like calling the baby in the mothers womb by other names than a baby and classifying it as a non-human helps these satanic baby killing lunatics deal with the fact they've killed and want to kill human babies.

1. An embryo is not a baby.
2. A fetus is not a baby.
3. I am not a Satanist. I do not believe Satan exists.
4. Abortion is not the killing of an embryo/fetus. It's the termination of a pregnancy. The embryo/fetus dies if it cannot survive outside the mother. Saying abortion is murder would be like saying refusing to donate a kidney to me is murdering me.
5. Whether or not the embryo/fetus is a baby is irrelevant to the topic of bodily autonomy.

and want to kill human babies.

Not only do I not want to "kill human babies," but I don't even want to kill embryos and fetuses.

They are pure evil and calling the baby comparable to "cancer", which @Lacius is doing is just wrong on many, many levels.

An unwanted pregnancy is not cancer. It is, however, analogous to cancer. I've explained ad nauseum how, and nobody can seem to explain how I'm wrong. They just don't like that I'm doing it.

Whether or not an unwanted pregnancy is analogous to cancer is also irrelevant to the topic of bodily autonomy. Hypothetically, an unwanted pregnancy could be completely beneficial to the health of the mother with zero health risks, and it wouldn't change anything.

 

[Megadriver94]

Personally, I am fine with putting bans on most 3rd trimester abortions, the key exceptions being if its a last resort to save the mother's life, or if the baby was conceived from rape.
Furthermore, as far as I'm concerned, if an embryo or fetus has been found to have a substantial to pervasive mental or physical illness while still in the womb, I find it to be permissible to terminate. Not mandatory by any means, but permissible. I for one would not wish to have such mentally defective nor physically deformed children a la extra chromosome 21, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, conjoined twins, neural brain tube defects, Congenital Heart disease, Hutchinson-Gilford progeria syndrome, and certain other conditions.

 

[Valwinz]

49 Democrats just voted for a bill that allowed abortion on demand all the way till birth. They are on record now amazing

 

[Megadriver94]

Sperm cells, while they do contain key genetic information which turns an ova into a zygote, such as being able to be either X or Y in terms of the other half of the sex chromosome pair, are not children. As far as I'm concerned, the soul of a child is in the ova, and the sperm cells are basically organic activation keys (or cards) that race against each other to activate the gestation process.

 

[Dakitten]

No to tell you the truth I'm not very fond of democracy given how generally stupid and uninterested the public seems to be, and the results you get from the process. But how I feel is irrelevant. I'm telling you how it is, not how it ought to be. You can't dispute that Trump or Bush won their elections and were legitimate presidents. All you can do is complain that the system is flawed.

No? Select dem senators have been pushing for abolishing the filibuster. You have influencers, pundits and figures, talking about packing the court, voter reform, abolition of electoral college etc. These would count as changing the rules.

Key term there is "talking about", not performing. Dems don't pull the trigger because it would drastically alter things. They propose, weigh, debate, consider... and often get bought out selectively by special interest groups looking to destabilize any progress with the least amount of money. They do adhere to the process, though, and are not as brazenly hypocritical and dishonest as their counterparts across the aisle.

Also, very edge, good sir. I thought the leftists are the elitists wanting a takeover, but conservatives are bashing Democracy because they are the "smart" ones who should just rule... methinks this may be projection.

Personally, I am fine with putting bans on most 3rd trimester abortions, the key exceptions being if its a last resort to save the mother's life, or if the baby was conceived from rape.
Furthermore, as far as I'm concerned, if an embryo or fetus has been found to have a substantial to pervasive mental or physical illness while still in the womb, I find it to be permissible to terminate. Not mandatory by any means, but permissible. I for one would not wish to have such mentally defective nor physically deformed children a la extra chromosome 21, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, conjoined twins, neural brain tube defects, Congenital Heart disease, Hutchinson-Gilford progeria syndrome, and certain other conditions.

A fraction of a fraction of abortions happen that late, and my fluffy bunnies you must know nothing of the process to assume women carelessly opt for an abortion that far into the process. Typically, they would just induce premature birth if viable and required at that point.

Also, your view on souls is theological, and thus irrelevant to those not of your faith.

49 Democrats just voted for a bill that allowed abortion on demand all the way till birth. They are on record now amazing

That is just flatly misleading and you really ought to be ashamed of yourself.

 

[The Catboy]

I wonder why none of the pro-lifers have addressed my concerns about the contradictions to "big government?" Why is it only "big government" when the federal government creates a law limiting state government from limiting rights? Why isn't big government for the states to limit and interfere in the lives of the people?

 

[Lacius]

a bill that allowed abortion on demand all the way till birth.

That isn't what the bill would have done.

I'm really starting to think your account is satirical with the goal of demonstrating how ridiculous the conservatives are.

 

[smf]

You bring up cancer every time you talk about it, and honestly, I have no idea why you even started trying to defend the comparison other than your clear desire to come off as edgy and witty.

I have no idea why you even started trying to attack the comparison other than your clear desire to come off as edgy and witty

 

[smf]

Sperm cells, while they do contain key genetic information which turns an ova into a zygote, such as being able to be either X or Y in terms of the other half of the sex chromosome pair, are not children. As far as I'm concerned, the soul of a child is in the ova, and the sperm cells are basically organic activation keys (or cards) that race against each other to activate the gestation process.

Souls don't exist, it's just brain activity (which happens around week 24-25). A fetus is not a baby or child either.

https://helloclue.com/articles/preg...fference-between-an-embryo-a-fetus-and-a-baby

 

[tabzer]

Empty words to make yourself sound superior without a proper defense

What's the "proper defense" for an argument that I am not making? "Did you know what menstruation is?" Lol. Feel free to start a Japan thread. I might visit.

VERY servere reading comprehension issues

Yes, very "servere".

I have no idea why you even started trying to attack the comparison other than your clear desire to come off as edgy and witty

As I mentioned a couple of times, it was an attempt to handwave a conflict that arises from the "pro-life" side's desires for embryonic rights.

I didn't bring up cancer. I've only mentioned it when responding to you. It was never part of my argument.

If it's not a "part of your argument" then don't make the argument. It's real simple.

@tabzer - It looks like calling the baby in the mothers womb by other names than a baby and classifying it as a non-human helps these satanic baby killing lunatics deal with the fact they've killed and want to kill human babies. They are pure evil and calling the baby comparable to "cancer", which @Lacius is doing is just wrong on many, many levels.

He may not be a devoted satanist, but he seems to be doing his best in demonstrating where you are right.

1. An embryo is not a baby.
2. A fetus is not a baby.
3. I am not a Satanist. I do not believe Satan exists.
4. Abortion is not the killing of an embryo/fetus. It's the termination of a pregnancy. The embryo/fetus dies if it cannot survive outside the mother. Saying abortion is murder would be like saying refusing to donate a kidney to me is murdering me.
5. Whether or not the embryo/fetus is a baby is irrelevant to the topic of bodily autonomy.

The problem with using this sociopathic logic, is that it doesn't actually help the people you are pretending to support. It can only set them up with false rationale and expectations, only to be blind-sighted by the overwhelming physical, emotional, and and psychological repercussions of their choices. Dr. Lacius as a therapist gaslighting his clients with retorts like,"your baby never existed", "just look at it like it was cancer", "you didn't technically kill it, you just removed it from life support".

 

[Lacius]

If it's not a "part of your argument" then don't make the argument. It's real simple.

I don't think I made an argument involving the word "cancer." I've only acknowledged an unwanted pregnancy and cancer can be analogous. My pro-choice arguments have nothing to do with it.

It can only set them up with false rationale and expectations, only to be blind-sighted by the overwhelming physical, emotional, and and psychological repercussions of their choices. Dr. Lacius as a therapist gaslighting his clients with retorts like,"your baby never existed", "just look at it like it was cancer", "you didn't technically kill it, you just removed it from life support".

I've never made an argument about what a woman's choice should be or how she should feel about it. Do you know how I feel about the morality of an abortion? The answer would probably surprise you.

 

[smf]

As I mentioned a couple of times, it was an attempt to handwave a conflict that arises from the "pro-life" side's desires for embryonic rights.

The pro-lifers are hand waving why embryos should have rights, so it's fair.

The problem with using this sociopathic logic, is that it doesn't actually help the people you are pretending to support. It can only set them up with false rationale and expectations, only to be blind-sighted by the overwhelming physical, emotional, and and psychological repercussions of their choices. Dr. Lacius as a therapist gaslighting his clients with retorts like,"your baby never existed", "just look at it like it was cancer", "you didn't technically kill it, you just removed it from life support".

Thing is, if there wasn't for the pro-lifer's making stupid arguments we could actually have grown up arguments about these issues.

So in that regard, you aren't helping them either. The psychological and emotional repercussions are caused by society as a whole. If you told everyone that it wasn't a big deal from birth, then why do you think there would be repercussions?

If anything, this is the reason why the pro-lifers want to ban abortions. Because they don't want everyone to become ok with it.

 

[Valwinz]

That isn't what the bill would have done.

I'm really starting to think your account is satirical with the goal of demonstrating how ridiculous the conservatives are.

The reason I barely reply to you is that you are clearly here to desinfo users.

Unlike you, I read the info on a bill that they try to push also 10 weeks ago and fail a bill they want so they can campaign on it to try and not get destroyed in the midterms.

it creates a right to abortion through 9 months of pregnancy in all 50 states literally one of the things the bill does.