The situation in Ukraine...

[BitMasterPlus]

Trump already destroyed it, and Joe Biden sure as shit ain't capable of putting it all back together again. But that's the point: the Democratic party are controlled opposition and the closest we've ever had to a leftist president was FDR.

Oh yeah. Record low unemployment. Gas prices low. A stable economy. Secure borders. The world being at relative peace. I'm sure glad that facist dictator nazi racist warmonger is gone so he can't fuck up this country anymore

Oof, lame comeback. Guess I set my expectations too high.

My thoughts on half the people here.

 

[Xzi]

Oh yeah. Record low unemployment. Gas prices low. A stable economy. Secure borders. The world being at relative peace.

Institutions destroyed or disbanded. Constitution trampled over. Half a million Americans dead from a worthless federal pandemic response. Drunken rapists and religious cultists on the Supreme Court. Nazis marching through Charlottesville. An attempted insurrection. Two well-deserved impeachments in one term. Support for Putin, Kim Jong Un, and other ruthless dictators. The laughing stock of the rest of the civilized world.

I could go on, but hopefully you get the point by now. Ya boy didn't lose the presidency, Senate, and House all in one term for no reason. Ukraine thanking every god ever imagined that he didn't win re-election, because otherwise any effort to repel Russia would've been doomed from the start.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Institutions destroyed or disbanded. Constitution trampled over. Half a million Americans dead from a worthless federal pandemic response. Drunken rapists and religious cultists on the Supreme Court. Nazis marching through Charlottesville. An attempted insurrection. Two well-deserved impeachments in one term. Support for Putin, Kim Jong Un, and other ruthless dictators. The laughing stock of the rest of the civilized world.

I could go on, but hopefully you get the point by now. Ya boy didn't lose the presidency, Senate, and House all in one term for no reason. Ukraine thanking every god ever imagined that he didn't win re-election, because otherwise any effort to repel Russia would've been doomed from the start.

Oh good god I can't even....XD This is why I gave up arguing here, the delusion is so damn deep with people all over.

 

[Xzi]

Oh good god I can't even....XD This is why I gave up arguing here, the delusion is so damn deep with people all over.

Says the kid whose parents programmed him to be a Republican. Your ego is WAY too wrapped up in Donald Trump's rancid reputation. Like Elsa says, let that shit go.

 

[rantex92]

@BitMasterPlus @Xzi as a european i dont get your beef why are both so obsessed with puppet politicians ?

its like watching a discussion over favourite soccer teams ...please both wake up

your fighting and arguing is exactly what "they" want its a strategy to keep youre people busy and divided as long as both sides (left right,republican or whatever in your country is relevant) arguing and fighting with each other none of them will get the real enemy and that are the politicians and the government itself

just let me remind you guys politicians arent your friends and mostly will never stand for peoplerights in general
its like what i said about the media and let me say it aint different with politicians you have always someone or something whos financing those politicians or parties in return the politicians /parties will do thing in their favour and push their agenda

 

[Xzi]

as a european i dont get your beef why are both so obsessed with puppet politicians ?

You clearly didn't read much of the conversation, I already told him that Trump was just a puppet to other, actual power brokers of the world. He was once a billionaire and then he wasn't, so that makes him easy to manipulate.

its like watching a discussion over favourite soccer teams ...please both wake up

Lol as if I'm arguing for the Democrats here. No, I'm just arguing against all oligarchs, including Putin who has Trump on a leash.

your fighting and arguing is exactly what "they" want its a strategy to keep youre people busy and divided as long as both sides (left right,republican or whatever in your country is relevant) arguing and fighting with each other none of them will get the real enemy and that are the politicians and the government itself

The government and most politicians are under the heel of the private sector, which is why America's oligarchs reside in business. The Musks and Bezoses.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

No please keep spouting misinformation and the bullshit the media has brainwashed you to believe. He beat 2 impeachments because they had jack shit on him and there was nothing substantial on the Ukraine phone call for it to be worth anything. If you think Trump deserves to go to jail for all this bullshit, what about all the other politicians that have done the same and/or even worse? Knowing you, they get a free pass. TDS has truly gotten worse nowadays.

that was all you to bring up the impeachment and media part. Really easy to rile you up. Anyways...
Since you called me brainwashed, let me show you exactly why I stated what I stated.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript.html
it's just the straight up transcript. I am going to chunk it up, since obviously speaking I don't need the whole thing. Just the parts needed. You can check if it's in order through the source.
Trump
" Well it’s very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time"
this statement establishes a beating around of the bush "We help you a lot"
"but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn’t say that it’s reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine"
this establishes that the previous president felt that United States and Ukraine are not Reciprocal.
Zelinksy responds back, and toward the end of that statment:
"We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes."
this is essentially a request for more aid.
"I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it."
this is the part that I find disgusting. Previous president holding it over the country, that knows they are going to be invaded.
This is as close to the presidents own words. No media. his own words.

this is just raw footage, no talking over. Trump did ask Russia to find emails. We already know the result, they did.
However, have you maybe noticed the issue here?

The current ongoing conflict is between Russia, and Ukraine. Reminder that Trump had a call with putin that he didn't want to disclose any information about. Reminder that he has a lot of close ties for whatever reason with Russia.
This is why I don't care about the impeachments. Laws != morals.
It is morally unethical to hold aid over a country who is damn sure they are going to be invaded. And asking for a strong foreign power to find dirt on your opponent is morally questionable at least. And extremely unethical/ immoral at most.

tl;dr
all of this is directly from the horses mouth or as close as it can be, no misinformation. perhaps you're the one brainwashed since you elicited such a strong response. After all, you went through the effort to pull up a meme and throw the image towards me.

 

[smf]

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi -"We hope to see fighting and the WAR stop as soon as possible," - 3/10
WHAT?? He just committed a crime that carries 15 years....

Was he in Russia at the time?

I think more interesting is that after apple and samsung have pulled out of russia, the shipments of xiaomi and huawei phones has also been cut because of the fall in the ruble.

China aren't willing to cut their own throat to support their comrades, even if it would gain them 100% of the market.

Oh yeah. Record low unemployment. Gas prices low. A stable economy. Secure borders. The world being at relative peace. I'm sure glad that facist dictator nazi racist warmonger is gone so he can't fuck up this country anymore

Trump was the worst thing that happened to America since the British went over and stole the land from the natives.

Putin is the worst thing to have happened to Russia.

 

[rantex92]

You clearly didn't read much of the conversation, I already told him that Trump was just a puppet to other, actual power brokers of the world. He was once a billionaire and then he wasn't, so that makes him easy to manipulate.

you didnt get my point maybe its the speechbarriere but let me say it in simpler terms "why are the americans so obsessed with this lowlife?"

Lol as if I'm arguing for the Democrats here. No, I'm just arguing against all oligarchs, including Putin who has Trump on a leash.


The government and most politicians are under the heel of the private sector, which is why America's oligarchs reside in business. The Musks and Bezoses.

oh you mean the "rothschilds" and "rockefellers"....sounds like its the mad painter all over again *just jokin youre somewhat right but its not only america whos on that leash the whole world get fucked by those "olifarchs" as you called them

 

[djpannda]

In Russia, people walk away from money…
But seriously, then fact the guy is losing and Just chucks the Rubles and no one care just show the value of the ruble.

Well off Russian communities are exclusively using Euro/USD.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Says the kid whose parents programmed him to be a Republican. Your ego is WAY too wrapped up in Donald Trump's rancid reputation. Like Elsa says, let that shit go.

And your ego is WAY too wrapped up on yourself to actually have two brain cells to actually see what's going on. But I will take your advice and try to make this my last post on the topic and let it go before my own brain cells die anymore.

that was all you to bring up the impeachment and media part. Really easy to rile you up. Anyways...
Since you called me brainwashed, let me show you exactly why I stated what I stated.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript.html
it's just the straight up transcript. I am going to chunk it up, since obviously speaking I don't need the whole thing. Just the parts needed. You can check if it's in order through the source.
Trump
" Well it’s very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time"
this statement establishes a beating around of the bush "We help you a lot"
"but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn’t say that it’s reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine"
this establishes that the previous president felt that United States and Ukraine are not Reciprocal.
Zelinksy responds back, and toward the end of that statment:
"We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes."
this is essentially a request for more aid.
"I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it."
this is the part that I find disgusting. Previous president holding it over the country, that knows they are going to be invaded.
This is as close to the presidents own words. No media. his own words.

this is just raw footage, no talking over. Trump did ask Russia to find emails. We already know the result, they did.
However, have you maybe noticed the issue here?

The current ongoing conflict is between Russia, and Ukraine. Reminder that Trump had a call with putin that he didn't want to disclose any information about. Reminder that he has a lot of close ties for whatever reason with Russia.
This is why I don't care about the impeachments. Laws != morals.
It is morally unethical to hold aid over a country who is damn sure they are going to be invaded. And asking for a strong foreign power to find dirt on your opponent is morally questionable at least. And extremely unethical/ immoral at most.

tl;dr
all of this is directly from the horses mouth or as close as it can be, no misinformation. perhaps you're the one brainwashed since you elicited such a strong response. After all, you went through the effort to pull up a meme and throw the image towards me.

Dude none of this is even substantial and it's clear many democratic crime families, from the Bidens to the Clintons, have interests from around the world that they don't want to get leaked but already have. The Bidens are wrapped up in corruption in Ukraine more than anyone else at this point. Is that an excuse for Russia to invade? No, but once again people would rather plug their ears and be fed the BS propaganda rather than see what's actually happening, so live your life in delusion for all I care until it all comes crashing down. I won't feel sorry for you or anyone.

Trump was the worst thing that happened to America since the British went over and stole the land from the natives.

Putin is the worst thing to have happened to Russia.

First statement is just your moronic opinion. Second statement, well, I don't really care what Russia does so whether if it's right or not doesn't matter to me.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

Putin is the worst thing to have happened to Russia.

I believe you need to read a little more about the Tzars, about Stalin...

 

[djpannda]

This is quite an old video. This is UKR nazi's shouting "Bendera - our hero". Just watch it.
Have you seen anything like this in Russia? No.

Please tell Putin I found actual Nazis in his Kremlin goverment. Please let us know when Putin starts to denazify the Kremlin (bomb the shit out of itself)

 

[KuntilanakMerah]

y'all just forgot y'all get oil and gas from russia, when all of the europe cut all trade from russia y'all can't move your vehicle lol, depend oil and gas from arabs ? lol y just feeding another monster

In Russia, people walk away from money…
But seriously, then fact the guy is losing and Just chucks the Rubles and no one care just show the value of the ruble.

Well off Russian communities are exclusively using Euro/USD.

 

[KingVamp]

Which is another reason to not rely on oil and gas.

 

[KuntilanakMerah]

i do support you for banning oil and gas it helps the earth a lot

 

[Deleted member 194275]

i do support you for banning oil and gas it helps the earth a lot

I really wish that all trains, cars, motorcycles, trucks and heavy machinery were powered by electricity.

I mean, we would still be fucked environmentally speaking, but way less fucked than we are now.

 

[Dr_Faustus]

Because if that open communist America wouldn't totally be completely destroyed beyond repair at all. Sanders 2024!

Speaking of communist what about those Trump supporters who are so twisted about the current presidency that they would openly accept communism instead?

Tell me, how does it feel knowing that your party has been manipulated so much by external forces that it becomes a snake eating its own tail. You have become what your paranoid nightmares tried to fight.

Trump already destroyed it, and Joe Biden sure as shit ain't capable of putting it all back together again. But that's the point: the Democratic party are controlled opposition and the closest we've ever had to a leftist president was FDR.

The Democratic Party is so up its own arsehole anymore its arguably more illegitimate than the RNC. Superdelegates be damned. Trump got in because of the popular vote, not because the RNC really wanted him (hell they were backing for Jeb but no one cared), the reason why Bernie did not get far enough was because the DNC simply had their own pick already made up and the candidate race is just for show anymore. I still find it amazing that Bernie came out strong at the start of the 2020 election while Biden was so far behind he was in the same level of popularity as "Yang Gang" and Bloomberg but suddenly out of nowhere Biden got so pushed ahead of everyone it was like he was never having any issues at all with being what people wanted.

The two party system is simply too fucked to be considered viable anymore.

 

[Xzi]

Trump got in because of the popular vote

Correction: he didn't win the popular vote, he won because of the electoral college.

the reason why Bernie did not get far enough was because the DNC simply had their own pick already made up and the candidate race is just for show anymore

That I agree with. Both the 2016 and 2020 campaign were more about ensuring that Sanders didn't get the nomination than they were about ensuring the Democrats won.

 

[XDel]

Here are a couple Old Oliver Stone documentaries that Google/Youtube are making it very difficult to find at the moment, but Rumble was kind enough to let me host:

https://rumble.com/vx1kvl-ukraine-on-fire-2016-oliver-stone.html

https://rumble.com/vx3u4b-revealing-ukraine-2019-oliver-stone.html