[POLL] Have you had Covid-19 before?

[The Catboy]

That's not what happened at all. Nice try.

Your quote

99% of the people who died right after getting vaccinated "cannot be evaluated" of it being due to the vaccine due to it possibly being a coincidence yet 110% of people who died while having coronavirus in their system are all corona deaths. This is an obvious double-standard.

Actual quote from the source

Of the 1,325 people who died after getting COVID shots as of Oct. 24, 1,279 had Pfizer Inc. shots and 46 received Moderna vaccines. Deaths tend to be higher among those receiving Pfizer vaccines, which are widely available to elderly people.

Experts have concluded that an overwhelming number of the deaths following COVID shots cannot be evaluated. Of the 1,325 cases, it was ruled that a causal relationship between vaccines and deaths could not be confirmed in 1,317 -- including 1,272 in which people received Pfizer shots -- due to a lack of information and other reasons. Experts have drawn conclusions for just eight people. In all of these eight cases, they say a causal relationship between vaccination and their deaths cannot be confirmed.

Among the 1,325, the most common causes of death included ischemic heart disease, heart failure and strokes. Eighty-four percent of the deceased were aged 65 or older. Because elderly people are more likely to die from chronic illnesses, investigation can be difficult. Eight individuals whose deaths were said to have no causal relationship were considered to have suffered from the progression of chronic diseases such as cancer.

 

[tabzer]

Saying fraud could be committed is not evidence fraud has been committed.

Statistically, we can count on it.

 

[tabzer]

Your quote

Actual quote from the source

Yep, 99% of the people who died right after getting vaccinated "cannot be evaluated" of it being due to the vaccine due to it possibly being a coincidence. You gonna return to eating your own ass any time soon?

 

[Lacius]

Statistically, we can count on it.

You haven't provided the statistics or any other evidence.

You just made a quantifiable claim about real numbers. Put up or shut up.

 

[The Catboy]

Yep, 99% of the people who died right after getting vaccinated "cannot be evaluated" of it being due to the vaccine due to it possibly being a coincidence. You gonna return to eating your own ass any time soon?

It took this many pages to make your claim vaguely connected to something. So what was the point of you bringing that up? Was it evidence of the vaccines being harmful or just spend days dragging it out until you loosely strung together a slightly cohesive post?

 

[Lacius]

Yep, 99% of the people who died right after getting vaccinated "cannot be evaluated" of it being due to the vaccine due to it possibly being a coincidence. You gonna return to eating your own ass any time soon?

Ignoring COVID deaths, there was no change in the death rate before and after COVID vaccinations. We can say with extreme confidence that the vaccines are not life threatening in any meaningful or measurable way. You've been informed of this already. If you are going to argue the vaccines pose any significant risk to one's health or mortality, you need to put up or shut up.

 

[FlorAid]

probably

 

[tabzer]

You haven't provided the statistics or any other evidence.

You just made a quantifiable claim about real numbers. Put up or shut up.

We can count on fraud occurring. It is counter-intuitive to assume that in this special case, where the increased rewards encourage greater risk-taking behavior, that there would be a reduction in fraud.

It took this many pages to make your claim vaguely connected to something. So what was the point of you bringing that up? Was it evidence of the vaccines being harmful or just spend days dragging it out until you loosely strung together a slightly cohesive post?

If you are unable to articulate the inconsistencies between my claim and what the article states, just hold onto your sour grapes for as long as you can.

Ignoring COVID deaths, there was no change in the death rate before and after COVID vaccinations. We can say with extreme confidence that the vaccines are not life threatening in any meaningful or measurable way. You've been informed of this already. If you are going to argue the vaccines pose any significant risk to one's health or mortality, you need to put up or shut up.

You are responding to a statistic that I didn't make up. If you remember, I mentioned that in point to the inconsistency between measuring covid-related deaths and measuring vaccination-related deaths, not as a proof that vaccines cause death, but that the data is being interpreted to favor vaccines. If the data of people dying after being vaccinated was treated the same way that covid-related deaths are generally treated, we'd see the data being reinterpreted as 99% of people who died after being vaccinated as to having a connection with the vaccine.

I don't know what numbers you are referencing about death rate, but from the first impression, the lack of change in deathrate suggests that the vaccines aren't effective.

My proof that vaccines aren't safe was based on the fact that the CDC revised their risk assessment showing that conclusions were jumped to instead of substantiated as scientific fact--while your claims remained unfazed and completely lacked deference to the fact that people should assume personal responsibility when it comes to taking the risk. The "safe and effective" is propaganda that washes over the risks and is inherently greedy on your part.

 

[kisamesama]

Yes,Mister Doktor.
I am very happy we have People like you who knows best for all Human Beings.
Thank you for your only Opinion.Now I can sleep better and Life is good again.

ur welcome

 

[Lacius]

We can count on fraud occurring.

Showing that misreporting is possible is not a demonstration that it's actually occurring. Without evidence, it's nothing more than conspiratorial conjecture. Try again.

If you are unable to articulate the inconsistencies between my claim and what the article states, just hold onto your sour grapes for as long as you can.

If you are unable to articulate any evidence for your bold claims about vaccine efficacy, vaccine safety, COVID death numbers, etc., just hold on to your sour grapes for as long as you can.

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

If the data of people dying after being vaccinated was treated the same way that covid-related deaths are generally treated, we'd see the data being reinterpreted as 99% of people who died after being vaccinated as to having a connection with the vaccine.

You haven't demonstrated that COVID deaths are being misreported in any significant way.

I don't know what numbers you are referencing about death rate, but from the first impression, the lack of change in deathrate suggests that the vaccines aren't effective.

The fact that approximately 90% of COVID deaths are unvaccinated is evidence enough that the vaccines are extremely effective. We've also seen a reduction in overall deaths since the peak of the pandemic, despite delta being more deadly/infectious and omicron being more infectious. Vaccines work, and the science proves it.

My proof that vaccines aren't safe was based on the fact that the CDC revised their risk assessment showing that conclusions were jumped to instead of substantiated as scientific fact

There was nothing about what the CDC said that suggested the vaccines were unsafe or at all potentially life-threatening. Try again. Coming up with exceedingly rare side effects at a time when the CDC said "there might be 1-in-a-million side effects we're presently unaware of" doesn't contradict the fact that the vaccines are extremely safe and effective.

We are roughly a year from the first release of the vaccines. We've learned more about them, but their safety and efficacy has withstood the test of time after hundreds of millions of doses. Our confidence in the vaccines' safety and efficacy is stronger now than it has ever been.

 

[Frexxos]

My Expierience here:

Got covid end of 2020:
From one Moment to another I was knocked out for two days straight. Felt like strong fever. Everything was blurry in my thoughts. But after two days everything was normal.
Three days after Infection lost smell and taste. This came back after almost 1,5 months. But the smell/taste for onions and eggs was completely different. Those two things were horribly stinking and I could not eat this anymore. After almost one year, the smell and test for onion / eggs came back to normal.

Vaxxed middle 2021:
No complications. Felt no difference to before.

End of 2021:
Got covid again - but absolute with no side effects or pain at all.

Beginn of 2022:
Again vaxxed - no comlications, no difference to before.

In the past I was joking around. But this disease is real. Maybe not directly killing people - but defintitely indirect:
My father-in-law had pneumonia and then got covid on top of that. unfortunately he didn't make it out of the hospital and died from the covid + pneumonia mix at 63 years old.

 

[Lacius]

My Expierience here:

Got covid end of 2020:
From one Moment to another I was knocked out for two days straight. Felt like strong fever. Everything was blurry in my thoughts. But after two days everything was normal.
Three days after Infection lost smell and taste. This came back after almost 1,5 months. But the smell/taste for onions and eggs was completely different. Those two things were horribly stinking and I could not eat this anymore. After almost one year, the smell and test for onion / eggs came back to normal.

Vaxxed middle 2021:
No complications. Felt no difference to before.

End of 2021:
Got covid again - but absolute with no side effects or pain at all.

Beginn of 2022:
Again vaxxed - no comlications, no difference to before.

In the past I was joking around. But this disease is real. Maybe not directly killing people - but defintitely indirect:
My father-in-law had pneumonia and then got covid on top of that. unfortunately he didn't make it out of the hospital and died from the covid + pneumonia mix at 63 years old.

While it's true that the vast majority of COVID deaths are people who are elderly and/or have comorbidities, the disease is definitely killing people directly.

 

[tabzer]

Showing that misreporting is possible is not a demonstration that it's actually occurring. Without evidence, it's nothing more than conspiratorial conjecture. Try again.

Statistics are not conspiratorial conjecture. You are clearly pretending that fraud doesn't exist, only for the covid-reporting. It is beyond daft. It's an embarrassment. Your entire response is riddled with bad-faith anti-science. Enjoy your new religion.

 

[Lacius]

Statistics are not conspiratorial conjecture. You are clearly pretending that fraud doesn't exist, only for the covid-reporting. It is beyond daft. It's an embarrassment.

You haven't provided any statistics, so I'm not the one who should be embarrassed.

 

[The Catboy]

My Expierience here:

Got covid end of 2020:
From one Moment to another I was knocked out for two days straight. Felt like strong fever. Everything was blurry in my thoughts. But after two days everything was normal.
Three days after Infection lost smell and taste. This came back after almost 1,5 months. But the smell/taste for onions and eggs was completely different. Those two things were horribly stinking and I could not eat this anymore. After almost one year, the smell and test for onion / eggs came back to normal.

Vaxxed middle 2021:
No complications. Felt no difference to before.

End of 2021:
Got covid again - but absolute with no side effects or pain at all.

Beginn of 2022:
Again vaxxed - no comlications, no difference to before.

In the past I was joking around. But this disease is real. Maybe not directly killing people - but defintitely indirect:
My father-in-law had pneumonia and then got covid on top of that. unfortunately he didn't make it out of the hospital and died from the covid + pneumonia mix at 63 years old.

What do you do for a living or in your daily life that keeps you so exposed? I am asking because I am interested in making sure I am not as regularly exposed. Getting Covid once and still dealing with complications weeks later made me realize I should make sure I go harder at avoiding any possible exposures.

 

[Cyan]

I work at a public office, see hundred of people daily, touch all they are touching and giving me, and I don't think I ever got it.
If I did, I was asymptomatic. I've never been contact case, and never have been tested either.

So far, I also didn't get any other illness, no flu, no cold, nothing for years. Maybe being careful and applying barrier gesture is enough for me. (mask, washing hands, distance, not doing stupid things like licking my hands or touching my nose with unwashed hands...)
Or maybe my immune system is very much boosted due to being in contact with a lot of people every day. seems T-lymphocytes are acting against Covid too, which I might have in excess being exposed to so much potentially ill people every day.
that's just hypothetical, I never did any blood test either.
Or maybe I'm immune to covid, and government will try to catch me and open my brain to make a vaccine.... wait, I've played too much zombie games and seen too much scifi movies

Other than my work, I only go out for shopping. I don't go to crowded places, or restaurant, events, etc. just common senses.

 

[Frexxos]

What do you do for a living or in your daily life that keeps you so exposed? I am asking because I am interested in making sure I am not as regularly exposed. Getting Covid once and still dealing with complications weeks later made me realize I should make sure I go harder at avoiding any possible exposures.

That's the weird thing: I work in the office - no physical customer contact at all. Have almost no contact with other people. When I was sick, neither family nor children had the covid. And like cyan: "Other than my work, I only go out for shopping. I don't go to crowded places, or restaurant, events, etc. just common senses."

 

[The Catboy]

I work at a public office, see hundred of people daily, touch all they are touching and giving me, and I don't think I ever got it.
If I did, I was asymptomatic. I've never been contact case, and never have been tested either.

So far, I also didn't get any other illness, no flu, no cold, nothing for years. Maybe being careful and applying barrier gesture is enough for me. (mask, washing hands, distance, not doing stupid things like licking my hands or touching my nose with unwashed hands...)
Or maybe my immune system is very much boosted due to being in contact with a lot of people every day. seems T-lymphocytes are acting against Covid too, which I might have in excess being exposed to so much potentially ill people every day.
that's just hypothetical, I never did any blood test either.
Or maybe I'm immune to covid, and government will try to catch me and open my brain to make a vaccine.... wait, I've played too much zombie games and seen too much scifi movies

Other than my work, I only go out for shopping. I don't go to crowded places, or restaurant, events, etc. just common senses.

That's the weird thing: I work in the office - no physical customer contact at all. Have almost no contact with other people. When I was sick, neither family nor children had the covid. And like cyan: "Other than my work, I only go out for shopping. I don't go to crowded places, or restaurant, events, etc. just common senses."

Interesting, when my wife and I got sick, neither of us had regularly go out in public much. Due my immune disorder, my wife does much of the shopping and other public stuff since I tend to get sick way too easily. I kind of wonder how much exposure happens when shopping, like how often handling produce that might be contaminated? Or how often we are exposed through asymptomatic people? Do either of you have immune issues?

 

[NyaakoXD]

Interesting, when my wife and I got sick, neither of us had regularly go out in public much. Due my immune disorder, my wife does much of the shopping and other public stuff since I tend to get sick way too easily. I kind of wonder how much exposure happens when shopping, like how often handling produce that might be contaminated? Or how often we are exposed through asymptomatic people? Do either of you have immune issues?

That's one of the scary things about it. Considering how COVID can be spread airborne and on surfaces and can survive within hours to days, all the more reason to be careful when touching things or walking around in public spaces. You never truly know if you're infected and/or a carrier until you find out from testing and/or actually getting sick from it.

 

[Frexxos]

None of known immune issues at all. I am also not often sick. Sometimes the cold. But also Covid did not affected me so hard. Can't tell about maybe "long covid" but right now I am feeling good.
Yeah in the shops it is really weird. People are touching / sniffing on stuff all the time. Thousends of people in a big store... and if this stuff stays for hours and can infect... well you can't do anything.