Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[tabzer]

That's... not what confirmation bias means.

Confirmation bias relies on bias. I was addressing the assertion of bias.

You insist the election was rigged, so you cherry-pick bits and pieces while ignoring the vast amount of cases Trump and team have thrown about that have come back showing that things were legitimate.

On one hand, you could be correct. On the other hand, you are wrong. I'm not ignoring any of those cases. I never saw what I believed appear in them. It all looked like posturing and empty theatrics. What I saw more of, was people saying,"hey look at these incompetent people being incompetent! It is proof that the election was not rigged."

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In all fairness, those eVoting machines should be auditable at any time at the click of a button. There's a lot of weird features embedded into the system that raise an eyebrow, particularly the way the database stores data (been a subject of many-a-hacking conventions before), but that alone is not enough.

I agree in part and I think I disagree... "enough" for what?

 

[Lacius]

Confirmation bias relies on bias. I was addressing the assertion of bias.



On one hand, you could be correct. On the other hand, you are wrong. I'm not ignoring any of those cases. I never saw what I believed appear in them. It all looked like posturing and empty theatrics. What I saw more of, was people saying,"hey look at these incompetent people being incompetent! It is proof that the election was not rigged."

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I agree in part and I think I disagree... "enough" for what?

Accepting there was widespread voter fraud or that there was "probably" widespread voter fraud when no evidence of widespread voter fraud has been provided is ridiculous, by definition.

 

[Plasmaster09]

I disagree, for the sake of a free and fair election, it is enough to warrant an audit. If election proceeding are hidden behind closed source and redacted for reasoning besides proving a fair election, then there is reason to doubt.

They could film it live on camera with a studio audience and you'd claim it was an incredibly elaborate deepfake.
You've already proven you cannot be proven to.

Confirmation bias relies on bias. I was addressing the assertion of bias.



On one hand, you could be correct. On the other hand, you are wrong. I'm not ignoring any of those cases. I never saw what I believed appear in them. It all looked like posturing and empty theatrics. What I saw more of, was people saying, "hey look at these incompetent people being incompetent! It is proof that the election was not rigged."

dude this is literally just confirmation bias combined with a little of the no true scotsman fallacy
you don't want to accept the election was valid, so you look at anything that says it is and accuse it of being falsified or invalid evidence

 

[djpannda]

Signature Bank says it's closing the president's two personal accounts, where he had $5m+, as the bank calls for his resignation.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/b...rump-start-to-distance-themselves-11610444427

HOW DIRTY is your money, that Your Bank does not want your $5mil.

 

[Ghost]

Sleepy Joe rigged the election.

Where’s your evidence?

 

[Plasmaster09]

Where’s your evidence?

It's in Tabzer's sig.
Or rather, about 28% of it is in his sig. The other 72% doesn't fucking exist.

 

[Foxi4]

I agree in part and I think I disagree... "enough" for what?

Right, more specific. The way the voting machine works is that it scans ballots in batches. You slide the paper ballots through the machine until it hits a pre-determined limit (bag full) at which point it informs the user about the calculation of the batch, the ballots are removed and a count printout is generated. The problem is that the way this number is stored in the database is a double, not an integer, meaning it's compatible with weighted voting and can produce a decimal if that's what's needed for the specific selection process you want to run. This is somewhat concerning since you have to ensure the machine is correctly configured before the count begins, otherwise you get an inaccurate count as some votes are weighted differently than others (this is useful for some kinds of selection, but not in this case). There are other features that must be enabled/disabled to run the machine correctly, I believe this is done with a physical configuration key (one was recently stolen IIRC). Then there are actual physical vulnerabilities also, but they wouldn't go unnoticed. Everything depends on which specific machine we're talking about, but messing with them is basically an annual event at DEF CON.

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersec...tails-persistent-vulnerabilities-to-us-voting

With that said, the existence of vulnerabilities is not enough to just bin all the votes, or trigger a nation-wide investigation. You need to have evidence that it happened at least once, some evidence to make the suspicion of electronic fraud remotely reasonable.

 

[notimp]

They said psy ops.

wtf? (Not something I'm usually obsessing about.)

 

[tabzer]

Accepting there was widespread voter fraud or that there was "probably" widespread voter fraud when no evidence of widespread voter fraud has been provided is ridiculous, by definition.

"by definition". There is evidence, by definition. A lot of evidence, by definition.

you don't want to accept the election was valid

It's not that what I want or don't want. I can't because I have a brain and a heart, and I have seen too much to be able to go against either of them.

You are positing that I am not being fair, because I don't accept your beliefs as my own. This is not unlike arguing about religion.

Or rather, about 28% of it is in his sig. The other 72% doesn't fucking exist

28% evidence. That's a new admission. The site has everything relevent up to a certain date, with rankings. But it doesn't include Pulitzer's findings, or other recent evidence. Not to mention the possibilities and definitive assertation of meddling from foreign countries' assets. Since over 90% of the media appeals to less than half of the country's accepted interest, it is not unfair to suggest that the news media is a propaganda arm. So, anyone who already disagrees, will be even more disenfranchised. Anyone who is trying to be unbiased, or those who are 50/50 on the bipartisan scale will be disenfranchised. It's only going to reward the die-hard ideologists who don't even know the outcome of what they are perpetuating--and only temporarily on an emotional level.

 

[Lacius]

"by definition". There is evidence, by definition. A lot of evidence, by definition.

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

 

[Cryoraptor]

Can't wait for the police to drag Trump and his family out of the white house on the 20th when he inevitably refuses to leave. That's gonna be fun to watch.

 

[Foxi4]

Can't wait for the police to drag Trump and his family out of the white house on the 20th when he inevitably refuses to leave. That's gonna be fun to watch.

He already said that he will allow peaceful transition of power to take place, he just refuses to concede, which is his right - concessions are tradition, not a rule of law.

 

[Cryoraptor]

"by definition". There is evidence, by definition. A lot of evidence, by definition.

Except there isn't. Anywhere. This is no different from the 'Russia hacked the 2016 elections' bs; retarded excuses made up by unintelligent manchildren who can't take a loss. Trump supporters are total hypocrites and have been used by Trump to get him as much power as he possibly could.

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He already said that he will allow peaceful transition of power to take place, he just refuses to concede, which is his right - concessions are tradition, not a rule of law.

But leaving his power behind is a form of conceeding loss, correct? You don't abandon your power if you don't think you legitimately lost it. You'd fight until your dying breath to keep it, but Trump has launched an appeal to the supreme court that failed and... used his supporters to trash some shit. Yes, very much a man who believes he didn't lose. He's totally not lying to gullible supporters to try and stir the pan and keep power for as long as possible.

And judging by the way he's handled the loss it wouldn't surprise me if he and his followers made a stand on the 20th.

 

[tabzer]

Except there isn't. Anywhere. This is no different from the 'Russia hacked the 2016 elections' bs; retarded excuses made up by unintelligent manchildren who can't take a loss. Trump supporters are total hypocrites and have been used by Trump to get him as much power as he possibly could.

You could be right. But even though I was okay with Hillary losing the 2016 election, I would have preferred to have known for sure about how much of it was gamed/rigged. I don't unequivocally believe in Trump. I just think it is an appropriate consideration since it is a reoccurring theme that has never been decisively settled. Another *win* for politicians.

 

[Doran754]

Trump supporters are total hypocrites and have been used by Trump to get him as much power as he possibly could.

Trump used the electorate for votes, so he could be President. Wow what a bombshell.

 

[Foxi4]

But leaving his power behind is a form of conceeding loss, correct? You don't abandon your power if you don't think you legitimately lost it. You'd fight until your dying breath to keep it, but Trump has launched an appeal to the supreme court that failed and... used his supporters to trash some shit. Yes, very much a man who believes he didn't lose. He's totally not lying to gullible supporters to try and stir the pan and keep power for as long as possible.

And judging by the way he's handled the loss it wouldn't surprise me if he and his followers made a stand on the 20th.

There are many times in life when you just have to walk away even if you think you're right to avoid a bigger issue resulting from unnecessary defiance. He's already approved enhanced security for the event, with some luck it will all be fairly uneventful. I'm sure he will continue questioning the results down the line, but I doubt that he would put himself in possible legal turmoil by making an ultimately unnecessary stand.

 

[djpannda]

Trump used the electorate for votes, so he could be President. Wow what a bombshell.

your statement is not only wrong but sad....306 for life!!

 

[Cryoraptor]

Trump used the electorate for votes, so he could be President. Wow what a bombshell.

I suppose one way of looking at it is any candidate has to use supporters. But at what point in America's history has a president manipulated their die hard followers so much that he can get away with stirring up rumours of a conspiracy to unfairly depose him, and get some of the more idiotic ones to commit acts of terrorism? They don't even see the irony of it because this is exactly what they were saying to SJWs and other moronic clans on the side of Hillary when she lost and they kicked up a fuss and made hollow claims and excuses. The difference is, Hillary wasn't the one who started the conspiracy. This one is directly coming from Trump and his goons, which is even more ironic.

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but I doubt that he would put himself in possible legal turmoil by making an ultimately unnecessary stand

Oh dear, I don't think you really know the history of the man you're talking about.

 

[Foxi4]

Oh dear, I don't think you really know the history of the man you're talking about.

Biggest Trumpkin on the patch, I'm afraid.

 

[Doran754]

I suppose one way of looking at it is any candidate has to use supporters. But at what point in America's history has a president manipulated their die hard followers so much that he can get away with stirring up rumours of a conspiracy to unfairly depose him, and get some of the more idiotic ones to commit acts of terrorism? They don't even see the irony of it because this is exactly what they were saying to SJWs and other moronic clans on the side of Hillary when she lost and they kicked up a fuss and made hollow claims and excuses. The difference is, Hillary wasn't the one who started the conspiracy. This one is directly coming from Trump and his goons, which is even more ironic.

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Oh dear, I don't think you really know the history of the man you're talking about.

I'm not dismissing your point but I'd also like you to consider the fact he had 86,000,000 followers on twitter. Do you think one man is capable of manipulating 86,000,000 people or that maybe there's a modicum of a chance that you may not be totally correct.