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[omgcat]

Less insult more please if you really want people to wear a masks, wont happen while progressive politicians keep getting caught flouting their own mandates.

You want people sanctioned for not wearing masks? It's a real big deal you say? Well you can start with Pelosi, Newsom and Lightfoot.

Progressives can start recalling these people for being intentional willful spreaders and flouting of "necessary" health mandates.

Better drop the 'tude your going to make someone wear a mask.

you don't need to wear a mask if you don't want to, I'm not trying to force anyone to wear a mask. but there are consequences to actions both taken and not. you don't need to be a baby about it though.


when trained professionals tell people something, it is generally a good idea to listen.

https://chochilino.com/news/world/2...pacity-shortages-in-us-warn-top-nurses-union/

 

[Deleted User]

This changed in the early 1970s when the work of John Money, particularly the popular college textbook Man & Woman, Boy & Girl, was embraced by feminist theory

Holy shit. You call yourself an intellectual ? I thought you were trolling, only to read on and see you were fucking serious. I didn't know that feminist theory could change the meaning of words. Only in the mind of a negative testosterone self-hating white bitch.

PS Come and take our guns. Our mantra:

 

[jimbo13]

you don't need to wear a mask if you don't want to, I'm not trying to force anyone to wear a mask. but there are consequences to actions both taken and not. you don't need to be a baby about it though.


when trained professionals tell people something, it is generally a good idea to listen.

https://chochilino.com/news/world/2...pacity-shortages-in-us-warn-top-nurses-union/

When trained professionals tell you something it is always a good idea to listen to them, verify their facts & motivations against contrary opinions and it how it applies to your own behavior. There are no shortage of credible medical officials that are rolling their eye's at masking just like everyone else.

Again, the attitude that this is long term settled science without contradictory evidence while derping at people is what led to a lot of fuck you. Pre-covid science on mask efficacy isn't great and it is all over the place, recent science has a lot of correlation issues. So all the facebook experts pretending they are smarter than everyone else made a lot of defiance martyrs.

@eastwald

If you are going to bring Mr Heston in here I feel the need to leave this for you.

 

[Deleted User]

you don't need to wear a mask if you don't want to, I'm not trying to force anyone to wear a mask. but there are consequences to actions both taken and not. you don't need to be a baby about it though.


when trained professionals tell people something, it is generally a good idea to listen.

https://chochilino.com/news/world/2...pacity-shortages-in-us-warn-top-nurses-union/

Let's say "trained professionals" tell you to wear a butt plug at all times because the fumes from your ass cause pollution. Do you obey?

P.S. I have two doctors in my family - one my Son, the other my Niece.

 

[CORE]

Just One of Many.

 

[mammastuffing]

Let's say "trained professionals" tell you to wear a butt plug at all times because the fumes from your ass cause pollution. Do you obey?

That's stupidly easy. No, because there is contradictory evidence that shows that it would harm you.

P.S. I have two doctors in my family - one my Son, the other my Niece.

Sounds like an appeal to authority. It's a fallacy and bears zero weight here.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

That's stupidly easy. No, because there is contradictory evidence that shows that it would harm you.

Similarly, masks hurt your ears, weaken your immune system, and can make it hard to breathe.

 

[mammastuffing]

Similarly, masks hurt your ears, weaken your immune system, and can make it hard to breathe.

Discomfort is not harm.

But please provide the source for the study that shows that wearing a mask weakens your immune system.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

But please provide the source for the study that shows that wearing a mask weakens your immune system.

Common sense.

 

[mammastuffing]

Common sense.

That's an appeal to common sense. It's also a fallacy. (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Common-Sense)

It's not common, nor is it reliable. There is no evidence that it weakens your immune system.

 

[notimp]

It's not about my comfort, I am comfortable with most anything and anyone. But I am not in the business of legislating what others have to be comfortable with under force of law.

Its mostly moral law anyhow (please no babykiller arguments currently).

So that Mrs Smith doesnt get to the bakery one day and pronounces, that she should get to skip place in line, because the husband of Mrs Notsmith turned out gay --

or that Mr Alan Turing had to be 'chemically neutered' and shunned for winning the US WW2 and bringing you personal computing.

That was one of virtues of western societies at one point (and yes, not the 19th century, but come on...). That stuff gets 'a little more publicised these days' may have to do with everyones 15 minutes of fame on social media (most people still try to avoid).

And stuff like rather hefty changes in language arent mainstream by a long shot.

Minimize the aggressive rhetoric against people 'profiting off of being morally apprehensive' (in your view) - because outside of the SJW subset of people that tried hardest to find a really stupid set of rules to declare who is better that the other person, this still is not how society works. Try to not judge people based on really mostly kinks or race - and you are far less problematic in terms of your believes.

And if you dont believe in socially apprehending people with those attributes anyhow - also change your rhetoric in that regard. Just so people dont get mad thinking you are something that by your own account you are not.

I mostly get the impression that you think people with those attributes get along better in life, but that still should be more or less coincidental. In no version of the world I parttake in does virtue signaling count as first and formost 'promoting' the thing you are championing - for wide use - either. You are promoting your oh so liberal attitude towards it. And that by virtue of the fact that you draw more attention towards that thing - some people looking for attention get more drawn to it -- still doesnt get you - or them, anywhere 'in life'.

Allow for 'private space' where you dont legislate into. Acknowledge, that some of it will swap over into the public real once in a while, and dont hate on that so much rhetorically, if you can help it. Also helps with the tentative selfloathing.

 

[omgcat]

the "party of responsibility" is gonna need another bail-out after their weak medical infrastructure crumbles from overload. Healthcare rationing is going to blow peoples minds when granny doesn't get a vent.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/22/utah-hospitals-have-begun/

“What keeps me awake at night is that we have not felt the admissions of the 4,000-patient-a-day caseloads. We’re going to feel that in the next week or so. But our hospital already is at 100% capacity,” said Dr. Sean Callahan, a University of Utah pulmonologist and critical care physician who oversees the hospital’s respiratory therapists."

 

[jimbo13]

the "party of responsibility" is gonna need another bail-out after their weak medical infrastructure crumbles from overload. Healthcare rationing is going to blow peoples minds when granny doesn't get a vent.

They aren't using ventilators anymore, when noted insane crazy man Alex Jones said two weeks in to the pandemic that the ventilators were doing more harm than good it turns out he was right, as always.

https://www.njspotlight.com/2020/10...dications-steroids-recovery-rate-ventilators/

 

[omgcat]

They aren't using ventilators anymore, when noted insane crazy man Alex Jones said two weeks in to the pandemic that the ventilators were doing more harm than good it turns out he was right, as always.

https://www.njspotlight.com/2020/10...dications-steroids-recovery-rate-ventilators/

your link states that better treatment has reduced the need for ventilators, not eliminated it. read it again.

Maintaining delicate balance
“There’s a sweet spot” in balancing who needs to be intubated and who could benefit more from other treatments, said Nelson, who also chairs the emergency medicine department at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School. “You have to use a good amount of clinical judgment.”

also remember, we have a lot of ventilators, but not enough trained staff to use them all.

you can't hand-wave away a medical disaster.

sure, on one hand critical care is better, but the sheer volume of infections will fuck all of that up.

 

[jimbo13]

your link states that better treatment has reduced the need for ventilators, not eliminated it. read it again.

Maintaining delicate balance
“There’s a sweet spot” in balancing who needs to be intubated and who could benefit more from other treatments, said Nelson, who also chairs the emergency medicine department at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School. “You have to use a good amount of clinical judgment.”

also remember, we have a lot of ventilators, but not enough trained staff to use them all.

you can't hand-wave away a medical disaster.

Here lets just quantify how many sources you want supporting the claim so I can pull up the number all at once instead of you finding a reason to nitpick each individually.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-doctors-ventilators-covid-patients.html

 

[omgcat]

Here lets just quantify how many sources you want supporting the claim so I can pull up the number all at once instead of you finding a reason to nitpick each individually.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-doctors-ventilators-covid-patients.html

your source is talking about putting people on ventilators too early, not that they don't help. read it again.

also that is an article from 7 months ago.

"They aren't using ventilators anymore, when noted insane crazy man Alex Jones said two weeks in to the pandemic that the ventilators were doing more harm than good it turns out he was right, as always."

you are claiming that ventilators are not used anymore. that is 100% bullshit.

Artificial ventilation is fucking awful in any instance, it is always used as a last ditch for critical care, except for early on in the outbreak where it was used early and often because we didn't know what the fuck was going on and people's O2 sats were dropping fast as fuck.

also the fucking title of your article spells all this out for you...


"Doctors think ventilators might harm some COVID-19 patients"

 

[Deleted User]

That's stupidly easy. No, because there is contradictory evidence that shows that it would harm you.



Sounds like an appeal to authority. It's a fallacy and bears zero weight here.

Sounds like an appeal to authority? No matter what I write, factual, non-factual, you will respond with 'you suck' because I hurt your narrative. I made the point that two doctors are in my family - who I greatly respect - and they were the one's who convinced me of a) cloth masks are 10% effective, if that b) surgical masks are about ~50% effective, and c) all of their bosses say one thing and do another.

If you trust government 'authority', you don't know history, plain and simple. Don't put words in my mouth that nothing to do what I was pointing out.

 

[mammastuffing]

Sounds like an appeal to authority? No matter what I write, factual, non-factual, you will respond with 'you suck' because I hurt your narrative. I made the point that two doctors are in my family - who I greatly respect - and they were the one's who convinced me of a) cloth masks are 10% effective, if that b) surgical masks are about ~50% effective, and c) all of their bosses say one thing and do another.

If you trust government 'authority', you don't know history, plain and simple. Don't put words in my mouth that nothing to do what I was pointing out.

I'm sorry, but you are not above criticism. If you present fallacious arguments you bet I am going to point it out.

Here, maybe you can learn something:
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Authority

 

[Deleted User]

Discomfort is not harm.

But please provide the source for the study that shows that wearing a mask weakens your immune system.

I'm making an assumption - you are young. I thought like you once, and this is where conservatives and liberals seem to differ as of late. Your kind (not saying you specifically - I don't know you as you don't know me, but I'm talking about people who will sacrifice liberty for temporary safety - one who does such deserves neither).

Ever hear about cases of children raised by germaphobe Moms, who eventually became allergic to dirt? The more your body fights viruses, the stronger your immune system is.
I'm all for protecting the elderly/those w/ pre-existing conditions. Both of my parents are still alive and I want it to stay that way, as long as possible.

I don't need to cite a medical journal. It's common knowledge that your immune system strengthens as it fights more - unless you are compromised. Not many young people are compromised.

If you REALLY want MD references, I'll email my Neice (very liberal) and post what she responds with.

 

[tabzer]

your source is talking about putting people on ventilators too early, not that they don't help. read it again.

also that is an article from 7 months ago.

"They aren't using ventilators anymore, when noted insane crazy man Alex Jones said two weeks in to the pandemic that the ventilators were doing more harm than good it turns out he was right, as always."

you are claiming that ventilators are not used anymore. that is 100% bullshit.

Artificial ventilation is fucking awful in any instance, it is always used as a last ditch for critical care, except for early on in the outbreak where it was used early and often because we didn't know what the fuck was going on and people's O2 sats were dropping fast as fuck.

also the fucking title of your article spells all this out for you...


"Doctors think ventilators might harm some COVID-19 patients"

Seems like you two are saying the same thing. Doctors don't start treating patients of the virus by putting people on ventilators anymore. If they really need to do it, they do it with modified settings because they were doing harm, previously. He's not being technical, and you aren't being practical.