Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[Sicklyboy]

You are arguing legal precedent, I am stating my principals. Sexually exploiting a child at any point is a crime.

A crime that has been determined to have no First Amendment protections as ruled by the US Supreme Court in Miller v. California and New York v. Ferber, yes.

If it is fictional expression sans a victim they are entitled to that expression.

As distasteful and of questionable morality as it may be, I do not outright disagree with you but do not agree either.

I'm simply following the actual definition of the word speech. I can't help it if your side likes to try to use all sorts of words and simply disregards whatever it is they actually mean and create some fantasy based off of personal wants and desires. Speech is spoken, photographs are not speech. Expressive content is also not speech, even if the law provides protections for it.

"My side" is not the 1973 US Supreme Court. Again. I don't know why you're having such a hard time grasping this.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

"My side" is not the 1973 US Supreme Court. Again. I don't know why you're having such a hard time grasping this.

"Your side" always talks about the great political switcheroo of Year XXXX, so...

 

[Sicklyboy]

"Your side" always talks about the great political switcheroo of Year XXXX, so...

I'm not talking about anything besides what I'm currently talking about so I don't know what this comment has to do with anything.

 

[jimbo13]

Okay, hold up. Are you saying loli should be legal? Because I can't defend that.

I am not familiar with the slang, but assuming your talking about cg/drawings of sexualized children yes. I don't defend that ethically at all. But legally yes, but I wouldn't be the attorney taking the case or falling on that sword.

My principles are really simple in this regard. No victim, no aggressed, no crime.

When determining if a crime has taken place every incident should start with who is the victim, if you can't say their name or it is abstract slight against society 99.9% of the time that is not a crime.

 

[VinsCool]

Images aren't words.

Actually they are.

Visual representation of thoughts, words, ideas, actions, or pretty much anything really.

Saying "an image is worth 1000 words" is a direct reference to that. Pictograms, or photographs, are used to help people understand an idea much easier, especially when reading abilities may be lacking.

I was actually surprised when you said images aren't words considering the amount of memes posted to support your point.

 

[gregory-samba]

Okay, can we avoid the talk about sickening dark stuff and return to the topic on hand?

So it seems the transition team is finally cooperating with Biden's team. I don't see how the last Trump supporters and still thinking he's going to win. It could be possible if the lawsuits were going Trump's way, but that is not the case. Like I've been saying for weeks Biden will probably become the President Elect officially when the Electoral College votes in a couple of weeks. It's highly unlikely that the Conservatives fantasy about the Supreme Court changing the outcome or the electors not voting reflecting their districts results is going to happen. I do wonder what's motivating the hold outs and why they think Trump could still win when all of the evidence points toward him losing?

GSA chief informs President-elect Biden that formal transition process can begin
The letter effectively ends a weeks-long standoff

U.S. General Services Administration chief Emily Murphy informed President-elect Joe Biden on Monday that her agency has formally ascertained him as the apparent winner of the 2020 presidential election and would move ahead with transition proceedings.

The letter effectively ends a weeks-long standoff in which the Biden transition team accused Murphy and her agency of withholding critical transition resources needed for a smooth transfer of power. President Trump has yet to concede the 2020 election.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gs...ect-biden-formal-transition-process-resources

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Actually they are.

Visual representation of thoughts, words, ideas, actions, or pretty much anything really.

Saying "an image is worth 1000 words" is a direct reference to that. Pictograms, or photographs, are used to help people understand an idea much easier, especially when reading abilities may be lacking.

I was actually surprised when you said images aren't words considering the amount of memes posted to support your point.

Images can contain words, they are not words, otherwise there would be no need for two words ("images" and "speech") to describe the same thing. Spoken things can be represented in images, but that doesn't make images the same thing as spoken words. The same is applied to expressive content. If expressive content was the same as speech you'd just call them both "speech" and not have separate definitions for them. MEME's can also contain written down spoke words, but they aren't speech by themselves. I advise you pick up a dictionary that hasn't been edited by Liberal nut jobs and learn the definitions for speech, images and expressive content.

 

[Darth Meteos]

Suddenly, I support the 25th Amendment.

You should

For all the conservatives like Supra, @morvoran, @gregory-samba, @jimbo13 and others, I invite you to respond to this video:

It's not patronising or another shot at you, I am really curious what your response is. If you don't want to watch it all, I get it, but the central point is worth addressing.

 

[VinsCool]

Images can contain words, they are not words, otherwise there would be no need for two words ("images" and "speech") to describe the same thing. Spoken things can be represented in images, but that doesn't make images the same thing as spoken words. The same is applied to expressive content. If expressive content was the same as speech you'd just call them both "speech" and not have separate definitions for them. I advise you pick up a dictionary that hasn't been edited by Liberal nut jobs and learn the definitions for speech, images and expressive content.

The thing I can see make sense regarding the definitions is simply that one is the other, but not necessarily the other way around.

So speech could be done in a image form to express an idea, but it does not automatically make an image speech, so to speak.

I understand that the definition may up to interpretation, at a certain point.
I understand why you disagree, and I respect that, I certainly won't try to change someone's mind if they already made their thought.
That being said I stand by my point, but it doesn't really matter at the end.

I won't go and argue over it further since this is getting offtopic anyway

 

[gregory-samba]

You should

For all the conservatives like Supra, @morvoran, @gregory-samba, @jimbo13 and others, I invite you to respond to this video:

It's not patronising or another shot at you, I am really curious what your response is. If you don't want to watch it all, I get it, but the central point is worth addressing.

I watched the first 5 minutes. He basically asked the same question I asked in the thread above your original post. The question I asked was "I do wonder what's motivating the hold outs and why they think Trump could still win when all of the evidence points toward him losing?". The guy in the video asked "what will it for Trump supporters to realize he lost?" I didn't want to watch 18 minutes because the main in the video starts off claiming he's a socialist and socialism would ruin the USA, but the intent of the video is fine by me .... the intent being to get Trump supporters to realize Trump more than likely lost the 2020 election.

I approached the issue with an open mind by stating "maybe he won, maybe he lost, let's see what the court cases turn up" and so far the court cases haven't turned up any wide spread voter fraud. You see, I'm not like the Liberals who claim something is true and then go look for evidence to support their theory as I am a realist and just wait until the results are in. I'm better than Liberals because I realize it's an election, there's 2 candidates and one wins and one loses, which is something they never accepted about the 2016 election.

The only big issue I see is even when Trump probably steps down will be the Left's plight to get the Conservatives to work with them (that was also in the first few minutes of your video). It's going to be really hard to get Conservatives to work with the Liberals when the Liberals spend 4 years fighting the 2016 election results, including the claiming they were invalid, the premeditated impeachment without guilt over the fact they lost, or the Russian collusion conspiracy theory. Plus the way the Liberals addressed and talked about Trump. Now you hear them saying they want unity, but won't even apologize for what they did to Conservatives for the last 4 years. I for one am reminded of a snake that's claiming they want to be your body guard, but as soon as they get the chance they bite and kill you. Liberals remind me of evil and the rest of the country isn't going to forget over night how the liberals have acted for the past 4 years.

Trump is probably going to lose, but after your sides partisan impeachment, Russian hoax and your unwillingness to work with Trump and how you treated Conservatives for the last 4 years means you're going to have an uphill battle on getting them to work with you. I for one always support the President, regardless who he or maybe she may be, but I'm not going to support the Liberal establishment or their sick desire to implement socialism and destroy the USA.

 

[jimbo13]

I don't see how the last Trump supporters and still thinking he's going to win.

I do not know what will transpire.

However this is a fact; Deliberate fraud aside, the authority to allow mail in voting resides in the state legislature. This is not what occured, AGs and Governors depending on the state acted unilaterally.

Mail-in ballots in those incidents are not valid and should not be counted.

It's not patronizing or another shot at you, I am really curious what your response is. If you don't want to watch it all, I get it, but the central point is worth addressing.

• "This is insane, what is it going to take for you to accept the results"

Belief in deliberate fraud sat aside entirely.

Unilateral partisan changes to the election process transpired before the election. State rules vary. Lot of minutia here however the right was very vocal prior to the election we were not accepting a outcome if it was perceived to have transpired through change of process due to Covid.

We said, "Yo bro we aren't playing under this new ruleset" due to that alone. We are not accepting the outcome and we are going to push forward to do everything we can to delegitimize this election. Due process to enact these changes did not occur to our satisfaction.

It is not as if we waited till after the election to say something, we stated this months ago.

If you are counting on the 75 million trump supports to "Come together" you are going to be sorely disappointed.

Biden's not getting a mandate we are going full civil unrest till compromise or suit for peace occurs.

Biden/DNC policies are so repugnant we are willing to burn the whole fucking thing down.

Being free of Pelosi/DNC bullshit is fundamentally more important than remaining United states. Our priority is free states.

Defiance to tyranny is Obedience to God.

 

[Deleted member 397813]

So this is what the politics section is like? Magic.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

So this is what the politics section is like? Magic.

Yup. I enjoy it.

 

[Deleted member 397813]

Yup. I enjoy it.

Honestly I like politics because I like seeing people fight.

 

[djpannda]

Yup. I enjoy it.

You know the moment you gave free speech an exception you destroyed your previous claim about freedoms being the most important thing.. if one thing can stop your freedoms that means Some thing else can be more important then freedoms at the right moment also .. lolol like mask saving lives.. damn you just allowed
@Sicklyboy To destroyed your own argument about mask

 

[UltraSUPRA]

You know the moment you gave free speech an exception you destroyed your previous claim about freedoms being the most important thing.. if one thing can stop your freedoms that means Some thing else can be more important then freedoms at the right moment also .. lolol like mask saving lives.. damn you just allowed
@Sicklyboy To destroyed your own argument about mask

Refusing to wear a mask isn't any form of assault.

 

[djpannda]

Refusing to wear a mask isn't any form of assault.

.. just looking at you is an assault on our senses.. but Seriously .. u should feel bad..

 

[morvoran]

You should

For all the conservatives like Supra, @morvoran, @gregory-samba, @jimbo13 and others, I invite you to respond to this video:

It's not patronising or another shot at you, I am really curious what your response is. If you don't want to watch it all, I get it, but the central point is worth addressing.

I tried to watch that but as soon as I saw it was Vaush-oline, I quickly had to stop it and erase my watch history. Thanks for trying to have my Youtube recommended videos fill up with racist left-wing mush brained shit.

 

[omgcat]

i've been hearing rumbles of healthcare workers going on strike due to people not taking safety precautions and aweful treatment by their employers. going to be interesting.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coro...0201123-yhloq3vzp5guvenvscjq7y4vlm-story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/21/us-nurses-strike-coronavirus-fears-pennsylvania

people are being so damn childish about having to wear a mask and not be retarded with large groups that the people who should be helping us won't because we are risking their lives as well as our own.

what's that? you broke your arm on a fall? too bad, health care workers are on strike. sucks to suck.

 

[gregory-samba]

i've been hearing rumbles of healthcare workers going on strike due to people not taking safety precautions and aweful treatment by their employers. going to be interesting.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coro...0201123-yhloq3vzp5guvenvscjq7y4vlm-story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/21/us-nurses-strike-coronavirus-fears-pennsylvania

people are being so damn childish about having to wear a mask and not be retarded with large groups that the people who should be helping us won't because we are risking their lives as well as our own.

We don't live under socialism so they are free to pick which profession they want to be in and also pick where they want to work. Under socialism you won't have the freedom to work the job you desire or the freedom to quit the job as the Government would be directing you where you can when and when you can work.

 

[jimbo13]

i've been hearing rumbles of healthcare workers going on strike due to people not taking safety precautions and aweful treatment by their employers. going to be interesting.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coro...0201123-yhloq3vzp5guvenvscjq7y4vlm-story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/21/us-nurses-strike-coronavirus-fears-pennsylvania

people are being so damn childish about having to wear a mask and not be retarded with large groups that the people who should be helping us won't because we are risking their lives as well as our own.

what's that? you broke your arm on a fall? too bad, health care workers are on strike. sucks to suck.

Less insult more please if you really want people to wear a masks, wont happen while progressive politicians keep getting caught flouting their own mandates.

You want people sanctioned for not wearing masks? It's a real big deal you say? Well you can start with Pelosi, Newsom and Lightfoot.

Progressives can start recalling these people for being intentional willful spreaders and flouting of "necessary" health mandates.

Better drop the 'tude your going to make someone wear a mask.