[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[omgcat]

You beat me to the punch by 60 seconds! Hmph!

gotem

 

[Joom]

Sure, and that is why his campaign was only willing to go as far as to say it was not on his schedule. So it is untrue.

Nothing from Biden directly.

Damage control mode activated.

Oh man, even when proven that your bombshell is a total lie, you keep that copium just a'flowin', huh? Yeah, Biden really needs to bother wasting his time addressing conspiracies. We know Trump does it, and even legitimizes them as a means to sow fear and distrust of his opposition, but I don't think Biden is that desperate yet. How hilariously ironic that "fake news" is going to be Trump's demise.

 

[0x3000027E]

Yeah, that's why I'm calling for the dismantling and reconstruction of our system from the ground up. It desperately needs it.

Though no need to 'dismantle' the system; Use your vote to turn the seats! Remove all incumbants, and encourage others to use their vote to do the same.

 

[omgcat]

Just call him a racist scumbag and be on your way, lifes easier that way.




The same people that will be defending this, with their "huhhh so what disinformation hoaxes TeRmS aNd CoNdItIoNs etc are the same people that bathed themselves in the Russia hoax for the last 4 years, they're complete hypocrites. They didn't say a word about Twitter and Facebook not censoring all that disinformation and hoax bullshit because it suited their political agenda.

oh yeah, that hoax that was confirmed by the senate select intelligence committee.

And there it is. Vote for Biden, or you ain't black!

well there would be black trump supporters if they were real...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...accounts-for-posing-as-black-trump-supporters

on another note, Trump's "please like me" plea to suburban women voters was Jeb "please clap" tier.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...burban-women-at-rally-will-you-please-like-me

 

[Deleted member 326676]

Sure, and that is why his campaign was only willing to go as far as to say it was not on his schedule. So it is untrue.

Nothing from Biden directly.

Damage control mode activated.

Giuliani's been sitting on it for awhile, apparently. The entire point of an October surprise is to erode the opposition's polling and overall support in the final stretch. The information itself doesn't have to be true; it just has to be effective. In today's partisan climate, this story may not be run on MSM unless key parts of the story are authenticated. Do you believe it can have much of an impact if MSM ignores it?

 

[Joom]

Though no need to 'dismantle' the system; Use your vote to turn the seats! Remove all incumbants, and encourage others to use their vote to do the same.

I just like to spew revolutionist rhetoric from time to time. I'd love it so much to see a massive overthrow because the US citizens finally came to the realization that anyone working in government is an employee to the people, not the other way around. But hey, this country was founded on protest and revolution, so who knows? This year especially has taught me to expect the unexpected.

In other news, democrats just took a larger lead for the senate and Georgia is starting to look bluer. I sincerely hope 2016 was a hard lesson for those who decided not to vote because it looked like the scale was in their favor. Now isn't the time to get complacent because polls are predicting a blowout. Whether it be in person or by mail, we all need to vote this time around to ensure we don't have another four years of hardship and turmoil. And if you have any love for democracy, and feel that your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness should be upheld, vote. America is only 300 243 years old. We're too young to let it fall.

 

[crimpshrine]

Giuliani's been sitting on it for awhile, apparently. The entire point of an October surprise is to erode the opposition's polling and overall support in the final stretch. The information itself doesn't have to be true; it just has to be effective. In today's partisan climate, this story may not be run on MSM unless key parts of the story are authenticated. Do you believe it can have much of an impact if MSM ignores it?

Again if you have nothing to hide you would answer it definitively. This whole scandal and Biden is not new by any means. This is not some far fetched conspiracy, his kid was a drug addict, he made a lot of money in a position in a foreign country he had no business doing He obviously knows that he has made claims in the past that would directly contradict what this information now tells people.

That is exactly why his campaign responded the way they did with the exact words they chose. I can only imagine how many times they went over that before releasing it today.

Bates added: "Moreover, we have reviewed Joe Biden's official schedules from the time and no meeting, as alleged by the New York Post, ever took place."

They said nothing about Biden vehemently denying this. They would not even commit to putting it out here as being in Joe's own words. They said we checked his calendar and we don't see any secret meeting listed, so you guys are wrong. Joe was not involved 1 bit in the response saying this is untrue.


https://twitter.com/TheJordanRachel/status/1316442453596164101?s=20

 

[Joom]

Again if you have nothing to hide you would answer it definitively.

Uh huh...These double standards of yours, I swear.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-supreme-court-tax-returns-emergency-request/

 

[Deleted member 326676]

Again if you have nothing to hide you would answer it definitively. This whole scandal and Biden is not new by any means. This is not some far fetched conspiracy, his kid was a drug addict, he made a lot of money in a position in a foreign country he had no business doing He obviously knows that he has made claims in the past that would directly contradict what this information now tells people.

That is exactly why his campaign responded the way they did with the exact words they chose. I can only imagine how many times they went over that before releasing it today.



They said nothing about Biden vehemently denying this. They would not even commit to putting it out here as being in Joe's own words. They said we checked his calendar and we don't see any secret meeting listed, so you guys are wrong. Joe was not involved 1 bit in the response saying this is untrue.


https://twitter.com/TheJordanRachel/status/1316442453596164101?s=20

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Two points:

You missed the point of my post and didn't bother to answer what I thought was a non-combative softball question. You've complained recently about how others are responding to your posts, so I tried to have a discussion with you without the typical butting of heads.

You treat these allegations as fact in absence of proof and full disclosure. Because they're undisclosed and unverified, I treat them exactly as such. I don't automatically believe in something just because it may be politically appealing to me.

 

[gregory-samba]

@gregory-samba @crimpshrine @UltraSUPRA Donald Trump claimed disinfectant in the body, particularly in the lungs, was an effective way to kill COVID-19. If you are arguing this is untrue, you are objectively mistaken. I did not bring up anything about ingestion, etc.

If you are going to argue he didn't actually do this, then I suggest you look at Trump's later comments when he admitted he had done this but was being sarcastic. So, the argument he didn't do this doubly falls apart.

In other words, you can't simultaneously argue he didn't say it and that he said it but was being sarcastic. They're contradictory.

Good we're getting somewhere. You now admit Trump never said to ingest disinfectants, so I hope you also realize that he never said to "drink bleach". Trump stated a question regarding what he had heard from experts about disinfectants and UV light and how they can kill the virus. Trump never told anyone to use disinfectants themselves. Trump explicitly said to talk to your doctor about it, but later blew off his lack of knowledge on the issue as being sarcastic. I believe at the time when Trump brought it up he was simply going on what he had heard and was in no position to offer expert advice and that's okay because his statement was a question and not directions to drink bleach.

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person;1I have hard evidence that person3 has done something wrong.
Person2:Can I see the evidence?
Person1:No, but I will talk about it
Person2:... But you stated you have hard evidence
person1: you don't need to see the evidence, just take my word for it
person2:....

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That's essentially what it boils down to and what Lacius is getting at. You can pretend or act that you have hard evidence. But here from what I'm able to find, they just talk about it. Without like, actually showing it. They provide claims without nothing to back it up.

Wow, that sounds oddly familiar. Let me think ... oh yeah, the impeachment case where the only evidence is what some people overheard and assumed was said. LOL. If you're going to go in this direction with this issue then I think it would now be time to admit the impeachment was a farse too.

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they were squashed.. but Italy, Germany, Japan were all fascist countries and a threat to the West.

Trump definitely has America headed towards Fascism.

Maybe you should look up the origins of fascism. It's a system created by communists/socialists. You don't look too smart labeling something the right with ideology from the left.

 

[Lacius]

Good we're getting somewhere. You now admit Trump never said to ingest disinfectants, so I hope you also realize that he never said to "drink bleach". Trump stated a question regarding what he had heard from experts about disinfectants and UV light and how they can kill the virus. Trump never told anyone to use disinfectants themselves. Trump explicitly said to talk to your doctor about it, but later blew off his lack of knowledge on the issue as being sarcastic. I believe at the time when Trump brought it up he was simply going on what he had heard and was in no position to offer expert advice and that's okay because his statement was a question and not directions to drink bleach.

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Wow, that sounds oddly familiar. Let me think ... oh yeah, the impeachment case where the only evidence is what some people overheard and assumed was said. LOL. If you're going to go in this direction with this issue then I think it would now be time to admit the impeachment was a farse too.

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Maybe you should look up the origins of fascism. It's a system created by communists/socialists. You don't look too smart labeling something the right with ideology from the left.

Donald Trump claimed disinfectant in the body, particularly in the lungs, was an effective way to kill COVID-19. I never mentioned anything else.

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Maybe you should look up the origins of fascism. It's a system created by communists/socialists. You don't look too smart labeling something the right with ideology from the left.

Fascism is, objectively and demonstrably, a far-right ideology. Posting a cherry-picked video from a right-wing convicted felon who agrees with your preconceived notions on the subject of fascism that fly in the face of virtually every academic knowledgeable about fascism doesn't do anything to change that.

 

[omgcat]

Uh huh...These double standards of yours, I swear.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-supreme-court-tax-returns-emergency-request/

if they didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

this administration has a terrible record of making claims and it being fucking nothing.

like:

Republicans Said Obama Admin ‘Unmasking’ Story Was ‘Worse Than Watergate.’ The DOJ Didn’t Bother Issuing a Public Report on Prosecutor’s Findings.

or

Trump campaign fails to show evidence of vote-by-mail fraud, filing reveals

or

The time where trump said he would declassify all the russiagate documents, but didn't actually do it.

 

[Joom]

I hope you also realize that he never said to "drink bleach".

Maybe not, but he did tell people that it was safe to eat aquarium cleaner and two people died because of it. So there's that...Also, fascism is antithetical to socialism. I don't think you know what you're talking about. But hey, this is what fascists do; spin up any narrative possible that puts themselves in a positive light. Everyone ignore the little man behind the curtain, he's not real.

 

[KingVamp]

He is arguing the word choice and semantics of "drink/inject bleach", but even with using what he literally said, it doesn't sound good and what he said only caused confusion.

 

[Joom]

He is arguing the word choice and semantics of "drink/inject bleach", but even with using what he literally said, it doesn't sound good and what he said only caused confusion.

It doesn't help that a large portion of his constituency are anti-vaxxers, woowoo snake oil pushers, and faith healers. This is why I called them a death cult. They literally show no regard for human life, and actively peddle misinformation just to push a narrative. I mean hell, the capitol is a disease pit because of Republicans getting COVID and refusing to quarantine or even wear a mask. They're just like lemmings.

 

[Deleted User]

Good we're getting somewhere. You now admit Trump never said to ingest disinfectants, so I hope you also realize that he never said to "drink bleach". Trump stated a question regarding what he had heard from experts about disinfectants and UV light and how they can kill the virus. Trump never told anyone to use disinfectants themselves. Trump explicitly said to talk to your doctor about it, but later blew off his lack of knowledge on the issue as being sarcastic. I believe at the time when Trump brought it up he was simply going on what he had heard and was in no position to offer expert advice and that's okay because his statement was a question and not directions to drink bleach.

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Wow, that sounds oddly familiar. Let me think ... oh yeah, the impeachment case where the only evidence is what some people overheard and assumed was said. LOL. If you're going to go in this direction with this issue then I think it would now be time to admit the impeachment was a farse too.

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Maybe you should look up the origins of fascism. It's a system created by communists/socialists. You don't look too smart labeling something the right with ideology from the left.

sorry but you might want to go learn more than general history. Hitler was anti-communist
How do we know this? Hitler's book
"Mein Kampf,"
He hated communism. And mostly the book/autobiography was him ranting. He wrote it while in prison before he became the dictator we know in general world history.

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Also regarding impeachment case. It wasn't 1 person that testified wasn't it? And it wasn't just 1 that said trump was misusing funding for Ukraine as a quid pro quo.

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Oh and then all of them who testified against him, were fired afterwords. And or arrested for crimes involving the scandal.

 

[gregory-samba]

Maybe not, but he did tell people that it was safe to eat aquarium cleaner and two people died because of it. So there's that...Also, fascism is antithetical to socialism. I don't think you know what you're talking about. But hey, this is what fascists do; spin up any narrative possible that puts themselves in a positive light. Everyone ignore the little man behind the curtain, he's not real.

Trump also never told that couple in Arizona to eat fish cleaner. They took a drug with a similar name to another drug. It's not Trump's fault people are stupid. If you drink drain cleaner instead of vodka it's not the persons fault who said they like to drink vodka that you drank draino instead. There's fucking dumb people in the world and hopefully if they lived after ingesting disinfectants, bleach or fish tank cleaner they realized how fucking dumb their choices were. It's not Trump's fault there's literally idiots everywhere. Trump never said to ingest bleach or any disinfectant nor told anyone to ingest fish tank cleaner. Some people are just stupid.

I also don't know what you and @Lacius are on about. The two links I shared that dig into the origins of Fascism might be posted on a site you both dislike, but that doesn't mean the material isn't sound. It's not the only site that digs into the origins of fascism. I suggest you watch the video and research some of the topics used in the video. The main person responsible for creating fascism studied under the creators of socialism.

(source: http://thedailyjournalist.com/thethinker/fascism-is-far-left-not-far-right-on-political-spectrum )​

I also bet both of you suffer from TDS. So I'm asking both of you this question: Is there anything Trump or the Trump administration has done in the last 4 years that you agree with?

I'll go first:

"The two biggest things Trump has done that I agree with is giving his entire $400,000.00 Presidential Salary away to charitable causes and making it so we can go to a store and legally purchase Hemp Extract (CBD and Terpenes)."

Your turn ...

 

[Lacius]

Trump also never told that couple in Arizona to eat fish cleaner. They took a drug with a similar name to another drug. It's not Trump's fault people are stupid. If you drink drain cleaner instead of vodka it's not the persons fault who said they like to drink vodka that you drank draino instead. There's fucking dumb people in the world and hopefully if they lived after ingesting disinfectants, bleach or fish tank cleaner they realized how fucking dumb their choices were. It's not Trump's fault there's literally idiots everywhere. Trump never said to ingest bleach or any disinfectant nor told anyone to ingest fish tank cleaner. Some people are just stupid.

I also don't know what you and @lacuis are on about. The two links I shared that dig into the origins of Fascism might be posted on a site you both dislike, but that doesn't mean the material isn't sound. It's not the only site that digs into the origins of fascism. I suggest you watch the video and research some of the topics used in the video. The main person responsible for creating fascism studied under the creators of socialism.

(source: http://thedailyjournalist.com/thethinker/fascism-is-far-left-not-far-right-on-political-spectrum )​

I also bet both of you suffer from TDS. So I'm asking both of you this question: Is there anything Trump or the Trump administration has done in the last 4 years that you agree with?

I'll go first:

"The two biggest things Trump has done that I agree with is giving his entire $400,000.00 Presidential Salary away to charitable causes and making it so we can go to a store and legally purchase Hemp Extract (CBD and Terpenes)."

Your turn ...

Educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Position_in_the_political_spectrum

 

[gregory-samba]

Educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

I'm educated enough to know that wiki link is full of leftist propaganda.

You didn't answer my question about Trump.

Is there anything Trump or the Trump administration has done in the last 4 years that you agree with?

 

[Deleted User]

Trump also never told that couple in Arizona to eat fish cleaner. They took a drug with a similar name to another drug. It's not Trump's fault people are stupid. If you drink drain cleaner instead of vodka it's not the persons fault who said they like to drink vodka that you drank draino instead. There's fucking dumb people in the world and hopefully if they lived after ingesting disinfectants, bleach or fish tank cleaner they realized how fucking dumb their choices were. It's not Trump's fault there's literally idiots everywhere. Trump never said to ingest bleach or any disinfectant nor told anyone to ingest fish tank cleaner. Some people are just stupid.

I also don't know what you and @Lacius are on about. The two links I shared that dig into the origins of Fascism might be posted on a site you both dislike, but that doesn't mean the material isn't sound. It's not the only site that digs into the origins of fascism. I suggest you watch the video and research some of the topics used in the video. The main person responsible for creating fascism studied under the creators of socialism.

(source: http://thedailyjournalist.com/thethinker/fascism-is-far-left-not-far-right-on-political-spectrum )​

I also bet both of you suffer from TDS. So I'm asking both of you this question: Is there anything Trump or the Trump administration has done in the last 4 years that you agree with?

I'll go first:

"The two biggest things Trump has done that I agree with is giving his entire $400,000.00 Presidential Salary away to charitable causes and making it so we can go to a store and legally purchase Hemp Extract (CBD and Terpenes)."

Your turn ...

Oh... Oh @gregory-samba
OH GREGORY SAMBA!
SOMEONE HAS BEEN DRINKING THE KOOL AID
IS THIS IT? THE COTS MOMENT!?
I'm so excited, because I see you drinking lots of the cool aid.