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Loud minority groups like the ones you used to see on sites like tumblr and now more on sites like Twitter are a bit of hassle even for the LGBT+ community. I've literally been called "transphobic" within the trans community for things like suggesting people get blood tests from actual doctors so they don't literally give themselves a stroke by not getting the proper medication/doses. There are also social issues that go super deep within the LGBT+, but people get called "homophobic" for pointing them out, like the massive amount of racism commonly found within LGBT+, primarily found to the case with far too many white gay men. So yeah, I can agree with wanting to avoid that kind of a mess because it's literally a mess and often just self-destructive.
Shaming other people for their sexuality is evil. It leads to surpression and many problems in life (including others).
That said bisexuality is not the same for women and men. I find it funny when bisexual women think they are part of a oppressed group. It is a male fantasy and same-sex aversion is much less pronounced among females (see how many hetero-sexual women experience with other women).
It is much more difficult for a bisexual man. Women often regard them as simply homosexual.
Are bisexual men equally attracted to men and women btw?
That said bisexuality is not the same for women and men. I find it funny when bisexual women think they are part of a oppressed group. It is a male fantasy and same-sex aversion is much less pronounced among females (see how many hetero-sexual women experience with other women).
It is much more difficult for a bisexual man. Women often regard them as simply homosexual.
Are bisexual men equally attracted to men and women btw?
it shouldnt matter if your this or that, while i agree all should have equal rights, one thing that i dont understand is that youll dedicate a day or event for the lgbt community, yet if it was the same for straight then offence would be taken.
the same logic applied to lets say black people, they have dedicated events ect yet if it was for whites its racist.
take recent events, things like movies and tv shows ect which had white people playing a character thats black is deemed racist and forced to be pulled off streaming services and networks and similar things in filming then axed, yet white chicks, 2 black men portraying white women is perfectly fine and in fact claims a sequel is happening.
in my eyes equality works both ways and should not be limited to gender, race, religion, but unfortunately thats the problem with rights, yes you have rights to be xxx but then you cant revoke others rights for not been as accepting to xxx.
the same logic applied to lets say black people, they have dedicated events ect yet if it was for whites its racist.
take recent events, things like movies and tv shows ect which had white people playing a character thats black is deemed racist and forced to be pulled off streaming services and networks and similar things in filming then axed, yet white chicks, 2 black men portraying white women is perfectly fine and in fact claims a sequel is happening.
in my eyes equality works both ways and should not be limited to gender, race, religion, but unfortunately thats the problem with rights, yes you have rights to be xxx but then you cant revoke others rights for not been as accepting to xxx.
Bisexuals as a whole aren't always equally attracted to men and women. Although I don't speak on behalf of bisexual men (I am not a man,) I am bisexual (or pansexual, I don't really care,) and have a long history of sleeping with literally any sex/gender. That being said, my romantic interests very rarely fall into court with men, I primarily date women (cis or trans,) and other enby folks, I don't really date men (cis/trans.) Sexual preference is individualistic and some people are 50/50, some people 60/40, etc. it just depends on the indviual.
I think those "minorities" on twitter and tumbler are not actually all regular people, but someone with agenda or siple bots that are brainwashed to make a gap and division among people. Its happening around the globe literally.
It's not just tumbler, its mass media, small organizations, donations from goverment, people behind stage with their own agendas, and state it self involved in indoctrination, to some degree.
Some countries have elected LGBT person as prime ministers...coincidence? i don't think so. (not to get into details why its not an accident and that its staged and manipulated but ill just say, it's not a conincidence) They think they do good, but they do harm.
Yeah that's rally funny that you are called that lol... people dont really know meanings so they just use words that their "teachers" thought them indirectly (brainwashed). I mean i kinda sypathise with them because all they want is to FEEL accepted so they go to any lengths without thinking really... it's sad really...
That's why i always say, homosexuals need mental help, and whenever i say that they usually jump to conclusions. but they need help not because they are less humans or need to be "cured" its not a disease as far as i know lol, but because they have serious issues them self adopting, understanding them self and world, socializing, working, living...i mean many homosexuals even realised they are actually NOT homosexuals, or thought they are, others genuenly are, its a really traumatizing experience for anyone, not just homosexuals per se.
Thats why i said....its not their fault as a comunity, but thats why i focus on "what i think about LGBT comunity" as a organistaions, cause individuals are not important in sense that they dont make bad image for people who feel like that or are that, some really shady characters and groups that share their view are really loud.
It goes that far that some jops REQUIRE lgbt person being hired not because another person is needed but because homosexual is needed....i mean....everione should put a finger to their chin and think about it hard.
So yeah....avoiding them like a plague imo, but understanding them is also important. LGBT comunity should be understood in their own circles also.
Generally no but it's different per person. Some have a stronger preference for one gender, some are straight up neutral however it's usually a case of liking both but also I like this one more.
@Lilith Valentine
Off topic....i saw your signature....you draw? I cant find your drawings, id love to see them. I also draw my self and i enjoy watching other people art.
Can you please send me a link?
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But id add...i mean i guess its kinda harder for bisexual man because males in general are not so open for same sex thingand judget harshly by their male pears and mocked, where girls, even straight girls are pretty open minded about girl vs girl and dont judge as man do, they can even engge even if straight just for fun, where man can be a lot stiffer in that regard. I guess its natural...but yeah...
I mean by nature, man is the one who has natural tendenty to impregnate so to say, and other man are simply rivals, where girls dont have that rivlary in same way as man do i guess. I mean yeah they do but its not evolutionarry, its more human and perosnal meaning they just want selfishly to have man they like for them self, but in males nature kicks in, not selfishness.
Off topic....i saw your signature....you draw? I cant find your drawings, id love to see them. I also draw my self and i enjoy watching other people art.
Can you please send me a link?
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Huh...thats interesting, havent thought about it but makes sense kinda (if i understood you).
But id add...i mean i guess its kinda harder for bisexual man because males in general are not so open for same sex thingand judget harshly by their male pears and mocked, where girls, even straight girls are pretty open minded about girl vs girl and dont judge as man do, they can even engge even if straight just for fun, where man can be a lot stiffer in that regard. I guess its natural...but yeah...
I mean by nature, man is the one who has natural tendenty to impregnate so to say, and other man are simply rivals, where girls dont have that rivlary in same way as man do i guess. I mean yeah they do but its not evolutionarry, its more human and perosnal meaning they just want selfishly to have man they like for them self, but in males nature kicks in, not selfishness.
I am actually no artist, my signature was actually drawn by Maria Victoria Pizarro Falla and my avatar was drawn by my wife, @FatalAryia, which I do have a thread of her work
Uh...
That entire post is making a ton of assumptions. I'm open about my sexuality, all my friends are guys and no one cares. And no, men are no inherently perverts 24/7 who want to fuck everything.
I wouldnt say its evil per se, its crtanly a dick move, but you got to understand, people need to grow up that way. You cant be locked in a room expecting world to change, YOU got to adopt and develop thicker a skin its the only way to evolve. yeah it hurts and leads to sectain issues, but those things are dealt, talked about, and if tis really to much you even call a police, but the main thing is its not evin, its just life. All kinds of peope have all kinds of problems and there are literally more people than there are genders on this earth. Not only LGBT people face this, EVERIONE is facing this, i bet you have adn i sectanly had, and i suffred a lot but i never complained, i just talked and trying to get over it and now i dont mind those situations....but yeah, i dont see them as hurtfull anymore, just idiotic, and it tells more about them (people being "evil") than me. Sometimes those people that are "evil" to me are actually tight in a cruel way, but EVERYTHing helps you grow. You cant expect world to bend in your will, YOU need to adapt is what i believe.....
You know, like godzilla lol they nuke him and he develops thicker skin and atomic breath..i mean lol not saying you should wreach havoc on Tokyo when someone call you sick for geing gay, but dealing with emotions, evolving learning and undesrtand that they have problem, or they try to tell you something in really rude manner...
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i see....well you want me to draw you something, i just like to draw?
I always love fanart of Lilith, so if you ever want to draw Lilith art, just send me a message and I can send you some references
It's my theory, i did not conduct a science experiment.
Everything anyone here is saying is not definitive unless evidence is presented, so...
Haha well perhaps they aren't "perverts" (and there is nothing perverted in being sexually hungry it's natural, especially for males, so i wouldn't call that perversion though. perversion is everything that's not natural by definition), but their hormone levels tell a different story. x) I mean i'm talking about normal, healthy, grown up male.
That's actually a fact, not an assumption. Now there are ALWAYS exceptions in anything not just humans or living things, but i'm talking generally, talking a large sample of ordinary males in consideration.
So yeah, guys are generally "perverts" as you call it, at a very basic level at least, but not every guy has time to think about it or is arroused, but hormonal factory does actuall works 24/7 for 70 years. Those hormones actually dictate behaviour, but some man are different in displaying it since not every person is the same. Sometimes psychological factors can cause loss of libido and sexual functions thus halting hormones which can impact a man in some way (perhaps negative) cause males are naturally the ones initiating reproduction.
Males in general today in modern world are kinda oppressed sexually and shamed, that can affect their libido thus making it look like they are not "hungry" but in reality thats not their natural state.
So what I refer to when i say that, is that THEIR NATURAL STATE IS actually like that, to be hungry or "perverts" 24/7 as you refereed to (god i hate that word, it makes normal seems abnormal/perverted). in different degree from 10 - 100% (never 0 though) Just a hot girl is enough to start the mechanism unconsciously. And thats how its al lhappening.
But on the other hand, you have a point, not every guy is always horny. I'm not always horny, but have potential to be. But everione is a differnt person and deals with that in a different way and has higher or lover libido, but no man has 0 libido and nature in them always work.
As fro they dont want to fuck everything...well....they just need to release the pressure so they pretty much can fuck everything, but hey, man are not animals, but some do act like ones, hence you see that many rapes and molesting of children. Now thats a head problem, but for analizing purposes, it proves that yes, man WOULD in fack fuck everything and are horny 24/7 imo, but they are also a person with a brain, but nature is always present.
Id just say, every man is different, but they all have the same nature.
some of the hate in this thread is cringe.
i quote:
"i hate those trans with bigger penis then me. with sexy sexy bodies and unbelievable faces.
stupid sexy trans"
i quote:
"i hate those trans with bigger penis then me. with sexy sexy bodies and unbelievable faces.
stupid sexy trans"
Doing this one again?
I care not what consenting partner(s) you decide to go with in whatever combination of genitals they have, and while I am slightly curious at the bundling of transexuals with such things as an interest group (it is not entirely unrelated I guess but there are differences of goal that are not necessarily aligned, see the whole TERF thing) I equally do not give a flying fuck what genitals you wish you had. As best as I can tell such things have no bearing on anything I care about -- whether you fumble genitals matching your own or not if you are my mate and break up with your significant other(s) then I still get to wander round there with a bottle of booze and placate things, has no bearing on any intelligence or skill, no bearing on morality and that also cuts the other way in that it also provides no insight. Similarly suffering is also not an exclusive trait or one experienced in such greater magnitude that is obviates all others -- basically everybody is an individual and may have had to struggle, or not, and while some probabilities might be in play they are just that and seldom amount to much over the whole equation.
Show me someone that denies you a job, housing, to simply sell a product (the cake baker question is an interesting one if that counts as a service*, though if a plumber says no thanks then that is a different matter), punches you on the basis of such things... I will call them a cunt and it seems the law will as well in most places anybody wants to live.
*personally pay my rates and I will make a nice picture saying "FAST6191 loves tomatoes", which is a patently absurd statement, about myself no less, and categorically untrue. Just a job really so suck it up and get it done. Now whether there should be a law to compel that action (give or take an otherwise accepted contract) is a different matter. I am similarly sure said person with the cake met a couple that were obviously going to last 6 months (and not because because death saw them part) which also then probably renders them a hypocrite if it is their religious ideals that compel them but hey.
The psychology of dislike is a fascinating one and one I usually find best illustrated by contemplating asexuality. Here even the most hardened [insert thousands of years old book o morality] thumper may have a personal visceral dislike if they imagined it happening for themselves but they will still usually understand at some level and thus accept, get them to contemplate asexuality and you find the lack of desire to be one hard to understand (even among those that fumble matching genitals, and in some particularly amusing cases the transexual set as well -- "I exist" and "this change of law says I don't exist" being phrases you will hear). Know this and debates and observations of thought patterns become rather different.
The "born this way" debate is a fun one. Some probably are (whether genetic, epigenetic, conditions in the womb or otherwise being the main) but I am not prepared to rule out nurture either -- soldiers have more girls, those with large families disproportionately have more gays, the younger twin thing, victims of abuse... all having far more than random effects on statistics. That said I would not care if it was completely a choice so this largely seems moot as a moral debate for me and instead we are left with a scientific question.
Toilets and changing rooms I mostly consider a moot point. Are there risks? Certainly (arseholes will use acceptance and passive psychology to do things anywhere). Do they outweigh things? Going with no.
As far as using gay as an insult. Words is words. "OMG you are gay" to a gay person sounds more like a statement of fact. If my male friend talks to me about his new back for 10 minutes on end then "are you gay these days or something?" seems a reasonable remark to make, no malice just amusement no different to "stop thinking with your dick".
I have a massive problem with the "no negative stereotypes" stuff. The stuff with the Persona rerelease the other week but the latest in a line of. Such things do anything but project an air of confidence and acceptance in your way in the world, not to mention we are back to compelled speech.
I have a problem with the you must have a ? in this work of fiction mentality as well. I would have thought pointless tokenism would have been a problem for such people but hey. Fascinating stories can be told (several revolving around it I consider some of the greatest works of fiction I have ever experienced) but in general if making a work of fiction or choosing what to include for something like a documentary then if something is said it needs to play a role, much the same as Chekhov's gun.
The more genders than there are atoms in the universe thing nobody has yet managed to satisfactorily explain to the point where I consider it a useful concept (and even if it was being infinite means basically unknowable), as such there are two (and by extension I would generally view bisexual and pansexual as synonyms**). You may or may not care for various things that are typically associated with one or the other but that just falls to personal preference (I can't stand football, does not make me a girl). I have equally only ever seen one case of someone swapping around as time goes on -- they were a lovely elderly gentleman who swapped and swapped back as they were happier as a gay guy before promptly getting dementia that did the whole regress to earlier points in life that varied with days. I have read of other cases of similar things and had them discussed by those with more than a bit of training in the relevant fields. Can't rule it out in someone young and otherwise healthy but no account, be it personal or any kind of observational study, I have ever seen passes muster for me.
**mathematically speaking I suppose it is possible for someone to sleep with either but go all "ew tran nies", might even have some examples from life, fiction and accounts. That said where do we draw a line there -- M,F, FTM but no MTF and every combination of something like that, what about "F, FTM, M but only if they are a well hung Greek statue type - no bears", "M,F but no fat chicks"... that is now more combinations than people are able to keep track of. Equally not sleeping with transexuals does not make you a bigot in any way, shape or form, or if it does then so does "no fat chicks" and thus the term bigot more or less loses all meaning as a undesirable characteristic or something one might reasonably seek to avoid to stay in polite society. What if they had in the past but much like I won't sleep with blonde women because they remind me of a ex that did some unpleasant things? More on it in a moment but if woman I know has previously only slept with women, as far as I can tell has no sexual interest in men... shacked up with a MTF are they now a bisexual or still a lesbian? Same example but her female partner of many years decides to do the FTM bit, are they now straight, maybe bisexual?
There is also the history problem with words -- if I am reading an account from the 1980s say and they say bisexual do I assume them to be of the "ew, no tran nies" persuasion? We could also do the history of the word tran ny (apparently today is a horrid slur, historically that use, even after it started to be used in contexts other than transistors and geared machine transmissions, was far less negative).
Multiple partner setups, combinations in X ways and all the rest also come into play.
MTF transexuals in sports is a question I am up for debating (and there very much is one). Most sports devolved into a genetic freak show long ago (if you are short, a largely inherited trait, you can train all you want but will never join the NBA, and if one might a group of 500 certainly won't saving that they learned a radically better method of play) but I would say it is an unfair advantage in most cases and renders female sports more or less pointless. Plenty of conditions prevent people otherwise physically able from competing (if I have to take all the steroids and blood transfusions for some reason as a male then even with a note from my doctor I am still going to be told to bugger off, same idea). Similarly "I am hurting nobody" except the 18 year old that might be 10th place (now 11th and off the grid and out of the league/funding/...) but would have hit their stride at 24. If a league wants to ignore this and go anyway then whatever, and if not then claims of "phobic" are wrong.
Sticking with the transexual thing. Your body, your rules. Happy for such things to be done under insurance (be it private or provided by the public), though fully agree with the living as part, hormones and counselling part being done for adults (18+ seems good enough). For kids... a far harder task. Puberty blockers and hormones given young can both make the final result far more convincing (assuming that is what we go for) but do damage that is hard to repair and as such the risk of false diagnosis (any medical test has 4 outcomes -- positive positive, positive negative, false positive and false negative) makes things incredibly dubious -- there may be sub conditions that warrant something but as a whole then no. Testing, double blind, randomised placebo controlled trials... are ethically hard to do here but we do have many things to look at cancers, traumas, chimerism, people buying sugar water off the internet, abuse victims, those that left things later, other morphologies that can inform what goes and there are enough people that we can find things out.
Related and continuing "I am a [opposite of what you were born with]", fantastic and quite happy to do the whole pronouns thing. Back to sports though my immediate question would be do we then stop any research into dosages, refining specific surgical techniques (if a better scar reduction options came along tomorrow obviously employ them but otherwise today is as good as it gets...)? As there is room for improvement then there are differences, even if I don't care about pronouns. "A pill to either turn it off or just make me not care", would be a wonderful invention*** and option for those that want it and apparently that makes me an arsehole according to some, "a pill full of these nanobots that rewrite DNA and reconfigure organs" is also an option.
Similarly "it is not an illness" is more of a semantic argument. I would agree that simply having your head reckon it is the opposite of your genitals is not alone an illness, however when you then start taking seriously fun chemicals and contemplating going under the knife then yeah that is a harder argument to make.
***some reckon it is an impossibility. I say nothing has yet been found, or actually it has (many times even) but the downsides are too severe; here take this block of black tar heroin, cook it up and inject according doses -- you will not care about much of anything while it is active, however it obviously has massive downsides. Similarly aspirin does not cure schizophrenia but does wonders for headaches. Any number of chemical and traumatic events have rewired brains for people as well.
Many of the activist groups do things I dislike -- the misuse of stats (never mind not employing them as someone that measures risk likely would), the downplaying of inconvenient stats, the awful logic employed, the misuse of science, the misuse of medicine, the constant cries of victimhood... many things there serve to rub me the wrong way and in what looks like a largely solved problem (it is there, laws say all those things at the start, people with such traits are in high positions and low, most people don't care...). Similar things for the modern (last 10 years or so) takes on pride parades -- gyrating down a high street in fetish gear does so very little for your cause and is less empowering than sad from where I sit.
Seems redundant to say (this is a discussion forum, I would thought the name made it clear) but seems I get to say it anyway. Challenge any point I made, I welcome both greater understanding and debate on the merits of my positions, and happy to expand on others if you want.
I care not what consenting partner(s) you decide to go with in whatever combination of genitals they have, and while I am slightly curious at the bundling of transexuals with such things as an interest group (it is not entirely unrelated I guess but there are differences of goal that are not necessarily aligned, see the whole TERF thing) I equally do not give a flying fuck what genitals you wish you had. As best as I can tell such things have no bearing on anything I care about -- whether you fumble genitals matching your own or not if you are my mate and break up with your significant other(s) then I still get to wander round there with a bottle of booze and placate things, has no bearing on any intelligence or skill, no bearing on morality and that also cuts the other way in that it also provides no insight. Similarly suffering is also not an exclusive trait or one experienced in such greater magnitude that is obviates all others -- basically everybody is an individual and may have had to struggle, or not, and while some probabilities might be in play they are just that and seldom amount to much over the whole equation.
Show me someone that denies you a job, housing, to simply sell a product (the cake baker question is an interesting one if that counts as a service*, though if a plumber says no thanks then that is a different matter), punches you on the basis of such things... I will call them a cunt and it seems the law will as well in most places anybody wants to live.
*personally pay my rates and I will make a nice picture saying "FAST6191 loves tomatoes", which is a patently absurd statement, about myself no less, and categorically untrue. Just a job really so suck it up and get it done. Now whether there should be a law to compel that action (give or take an otherwise accepted contract) is a different matter. I am similarly sure said person with the cake met a couple that were obviously going to last 6 months (and not because because death saw them part) which also then probably renders them a hypocrite if it is their religious ideals that compel them but hey.
The psychology of dislike is a fascinating one and one I usually find best illustrated by contemplating asexuality. Here even the most hardened [insert thousands of years old book o morality] thumper may have a personal visceral dislike if they imagined it happening for themselves but they will still usually understand at some level and thus accept, get them to contemplate asexuality and you find the lack of desire to be one hard to understand (even among those that fumble matching genitals, and in some particularly amusing cases the transexual set as well -- "I exist" and "this change of law says I don't exist" being phrases you will hear). Know this and debates and observations of thought patterns become rather different.
The "born this way" debate is a fun one. Some probably are (whether genetic, epigenetic, conditions in the womb or otherwise being the main) but I am not prepared to rule out nurture either -- soldiers have more girls, those with large families disproportionately have more gays, the younger twin thing, victims of abuse... all having far more than random effects on statistics. That said I would not care if it was completely a choice so this largely seems moot as a moral debate for me and instead we are left with a scientific question.
Toilets and changing rooms I mostly consider a moot point. Are there risks? Certainly (arseholes will use acceptance and passive psychology to do things anywhere). Do they outweigh things? Going with no.
As far as using gay as an insult. Words is words. "OMG you are gay" to a gay person sounds more like a statement of fact. If my male friend talks to me about his new back for 10 minutes on end then "are you gay these days or something?" seems a reasonable remark to make, no malice just amusement no different to "stop thinking with your dick".
I have a massive problem with the "no negative stereotypes" stuff. The stuff with the Persona rerelease the other week but the latest in a line of. Such things do anything but project an air of confidence and acceptance in your way in the world, not to mention we are back to compelled speech.
I have a problem with the you must have a ? in this work of fiction mentality as well. I would have thought pointless tokenism would have been a problem for such people but hey. Fascinating stories can be told (several revolving around it I consider some of the greatest works of fiction I have ever experienced) but in general if making a work of fiction or choosing what to include for something like a documentary then if something is said it needs to play a role, much the same as Chekhov's gun.
The more genders than there are atoms in the universe thing nobody has yet managed to satisfactorily explain to the point where I consider it a useful concept (and even if it was being infinite means basically unknowable), as such there are two (and by extension I would generally view bisexual and pansexual as synonyms**). You may or may not care for various things that are typically associated with one or the other but that just falls to personal preference (I can't stand football, does not make me a girl). I have equally only ever seen one case of someone swapping around as time goes on -- they were a lovely elderly gentleman who swapped and swapped back as they were happier as a gay guy before promptly getting dementia that did the whole regress to earlier points in life that varied with days. I have read of other cases of similar things and had them discussed by those with more than a bit of training in the relevant fields. Can't rule it out in someone young and otherwise healthy but no account, be it personal or any kind of observational study, I have ever seen passes muster for me.
**mathematically speaking I suppose it is possible for someone to sleep with either but go all "ew tran nies", might even have some examples from life, fiction and accounts. That said where do we draw a line there -- M,F, FTM but no MTF and every combination of something like that, what about "F, FTM, M but only if they are a well hung Greek statue type - no bears", "M,F but no fat chicks"... that is now more combinations than people are able to keep track of. Equally not sleeping with transexuals does not make you a bigot in any way, shape or form, or if it does then so does "no fat chicks" and thus the term bigot more or less loses all meaning as a undesirable characteristic or something one might reasonably seek to avoid to stay in polite society. What if they had in the past but much like I won't sleep with blonde women because they remind me of a ex that did some unpleasant things? More on it in a moment but if woman I know has previously only slept with women, as far as I can tell has no sexual interest in men... shacked up with a MTF are they now a bisexual or still a lesbian? Same example but her female partner of many years decides to do the FTM bit, are they now straight, maybe bisexual?
There is also the history problem with words -- if I am reading an account from the 1980s say and they say bisexual do I assume them to be of the "ew, no tran nies" persuasion? We could also do the history of the word tran ny (apparently today is a horrid slur, historically that use, even after it started to be used in contexts other than transistors and geared machine transmissions, was far less negative).
Multiple partner setups, combinations in X ways and all the rest also come into play.
MTF transexuals in sports is a question I am up for debating (and there very much is one). Most sports devolved into a genetic freak show long ago (if you are short, a largely inherited trait, you can train all you want but will never join the NBA, and if one might a group of 500 certainly won't saving that they learned a radically better method of play) but I would say it is an unfair advantage in most cases and renders female sports more or less pointless. Plenty of conditions prevent people otherwise physically able from competing (if I have to take all the steroids and blood transfusions for some reason as a male then even with a note from my doctor I am still going to be told to bugger off, same idea). Similarly "I am hurting nobody" except the 18 year old that might be 10th place (now 11th and off the grid and out of the league/funding/...) but would have hit their stride at 24. If a league wants to ignore this and go anyway then whatever, and if not then claims of "phobic" are wrong.
Sticking with the transexual thing. Your body, your rules. Happy for such things to be done under insurance (be it private or provided by the public), though fully agree with the living as part, hormones and counselling part being done for adults (18+ seems good enough). For kids... a far harder task. Puberty blockers and hormones given young can both make the final result far more convincing (assuming that is what we go for) but do damage that is hard to repair and as such the risk of false diagnosis (any medical test has 4 outcomes -- positive positive, positive negative, false positive and false negative) makes things incredibly dubious -- there may be sub conditions that warrant something but as a whole then no. Testing, double blind, randomised placebo controlled trials... are ethically hard to do here but we do have many things to look at cancers, traumas, chimerism, people buying sugar water off the internet, abuse victims, those that left things later, other morphologies that can inform what goes and there are enough people that we can find things out.
Related and continuing "I am a [opposite of what you were born with]", fantastic and quite happy to do the whole pronouns thing. Back to sports though my immediate question would be do we then stop any research into dosages, refining specific surgical techniques (if a better scar reduction options came along tomorrow obviously employ them but otherwise today is as good as it gets...)? As there is room for improvement then there are differences, even if I don't care about pronouns. "A pill to either turn it off or just make me not care", would be a wonderful invention*** and option for those that want it and apparently that makes me an arsehole according to some, "a pill full of these nanobots that rewrite DNA and reconfigure organs" is also an option.
Similarly "it is not an illness" is more of a semantic argument. I would agree that simply having your head reckon it is the opposite of your genitals is not alone an illness, however when you then start taking seriously fun chemicals and contemplating going under the knife then yeah that is a harder argument to make.
***some reckon it is an impossibility. I say nothing has yet been found, or actually it has (many times even) but the downsides are too severe; here take this block of black tar heroin, cook it up and inject according doses -- you will not care about much of anything while it is active, however it obviously has massive downsides. Similarly aspirin does not cure schizophrenia but does wonders for headaches. Any number of chemical and traumatic events have rewired brains for people as well.
Many of the activist groups do things I dislike -- the misuse of stats (never mind not employing them as someone that measures risk likely would), the downplaying of inconvenient stats, the awful logic employed, the misuse of science, the misuse of medicine, the constant cries of victimhood... many things there serve to rub me the wrong way and in what looks like a largely solved problem (it is there, laws say all those things at the start, people with such traits are in high positions and low, most people don't care...). Similar things for the modern (last 10 years or so) takes on pride parades -- gyrating down a high street in fetish gear does so very little for your cause and is less empowering than sad from where I sit.
Seems redundant to say (this is a discussion forum, I would thought the name made it clear) but seems I get to say it anyway. Challenge any point I made, I welcome both greater understanding and debate on the merits of my positions, and happy to expand on others if you want.
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I thought that the Rainbow one and the Trans one were the only ones.
That's interesting.
I used as an insult too but that's when I was young and only when my classmates bothered me so much that I ended up punching them on their faces, and once they were on the floor I'd say: "No que muy hombrecito, pinche p***?"
Nowadays, is hard for me to be this violent towards people pissing me off. I'd rather to laugh at them instead (which pisses them off way more than I already do)
And you shouldn't become Atheist for that reason.
It's better to adopt an Agnostic Mentality, which means that Agnostic people only believes on what can be proved.
Also, I'm a guy that has addopted science and maths as a life philosophy.
Think about it.
Discrimination sucks and I've had discrimination before (not of this kind, but still) and most of the times I don't mind.
I just can't get why people decides to discriminate other people.
For instance, I've shared this story before (and deleted it afterwards) but one day, a guy from India came to my FB page and said:
"I feel sorry for you my nig** because you live in a horrible country"
And to top it all, this guy had nutella skin color.. and I was like: "Okay, see you later?"
Ever since that day, I've kinda can't stand Indian people because that was just one of some, I certainly didn't expected that.
Is like, if someone from Oaxaca or Chiapas came to CDMX and started to talk about white supremacy or shit like that. Hahahaha.
I remember though, having some gay classmates on primary school, and actually 2 of them told me that they liked me and I never understood what they meant until I got into secondary school.
After that I never met any other gay friend, which is a shame because they have the best parties.
Proof of this, is when in 2016, the Gay Community had a massive party near my school (literally 1 street before it) and they had Ivonne Montero as their Queen, and I missed my chance of seeing her because I was attending my classes.
And I was like: Oh shit! I got to breath the same air that Ivonne breathed!
Pretty much, yeah. At this point anyone should be able to realize this before continuing an argument.
I knew this as we've talked before, but I didn't knew the flag.
I thought that the Rainbow one and the Trans one were the only ones.
That's interesting.
I admit that I've used that term before and now I'm ashamed.
I used as an insult too but that's when I was young and only when my classmates bothered me so much that I ended up punching them on their faces, and once they were on the floor I'd say: "No que muy hombrecito, pinche p***?"
Nowadays, is hard for me to be this violent towards people pissing me off. I'd rather to laugh at them instead (which pisses them off way more than I already do)
Yeah, I too have a Christian family... my aunts, and I've heard them rejecting all of this. I don't mind really, as I don't have any contact with them (or anyone else from my family for that matter, except my parents and sisters as I'm still living with them so I'm kinda stuck there)
And you shouldn't become Atheist for that reason.
It's better to adopt an Agnostic Mentality, which means that Agnostic people only believes on what can be proved.
Also, I'm a guy that has addopted science and maths as a life philosophy.
Think about it.
Pretty much any Christian (and most Catholics) are, so no surprise there to be honest.
I've never had bad experiences regarding these.
Discrimination sucks and I've had discrimination before (not of this kind, but still) and most of the times I don't mind.
I just can't get why people decides to discriminate other people.
For instance, I've shared this story before (and deleted it afterwards) but one day, a guy from India came to my FB page and said:
"I feel sorry for you my nig** because you live in a horrible country"
And to top it all, this guy had nutella skin color.. and I was like: "Okay, see you later?"
Ever since that day, I've kinda can't stand Indian people because that was just one of some, I certainly didn't expected that.
Is like, if someone from Oaxaca or Chiapas came to CDMX and started to talk about white supremacy or shit like that. Hahahaha.
I remember though, having some gay classmates on primary school, and actually 2 of them told me that they liked me and I never understood what they meant until I got into secondary school.
After that I never met any other gay friend, which is a shame because they have the best parties.
Proof of this, is when in 2016, the Gay Community had a massive party near my school (literally 1 street before it) and they had Ivonne Montero as their Queen, and I missed my chance of seeing her because I was attending my classes.
And I was like: Oh shit! I got to breath the same air that Ivonne breathed!
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No, I'm not gay. If you are, ok. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I honestly don't care how other persons choose to live if they're not imposing upon the rights of others by doing so. It isn't the government's business if you're gay, it isn't my business if you're gay, it isn't anyone else's business if you're gay. I think sometimes a little too much (defensively) is made of it, because from my perspective you don't need to parade on the street with your dong hanging out to be gay. That stuff I don't get. I was in Manhattan last summer during the big parade and saw some very interesting (inappropriate) things, out in public. It was only a few in a crowd of many participants, but nobody discouraged them.
So all persons are due equal protection under the law, all persons should be left alone to live as they wish if that doesn't impose on the rights of others, and I 100% support life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all.
But penises go in one bathroom, vaginas in the other.
I honestly don't care how other persons choose to live if they're not imposing upon the rights of others by doing so. It isn't the government's business if you're gay, it isn't my business if you're gay, it isn't anyone else's business if you're gay. I think sometimes a little too much (defensively) is made of it, because from my perspective you don't need to parade on the street with your dong hanging out to be gay. That stuff I don't get. I was in Manhattan last summer during the big parade and saw some very interesting (inappropriate) things, out in public. It was only a few in a crowd of many participants, but nobody discouraged them.
So all persons are due equal protection under the law, all persons should be left alone to live as they wish if that doesn't impose on the rights of others, and I 100% support life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all.
But penises go in one bathroom, vaginas in the other.
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Exactly its trans hate which is against site rules so why has the post not been deleted?
His post is full of hidden and some not so hidden transpobic hatred.
We also have another post by someone else using the derogatory T word that is also against the site rules
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