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Okay, so when you buy something on the eShop the game gets sent as a download from a server--the CDN.
There are tools for the Switch CDN that allow you to download games from Nintendo's server arbitrarily using your Switch's certificates.
This was done for archiving/experimenting.

He got banned because I would imagine that this is against Nintendo's TOS, can be used for piracy, and Nintendo doesn't want unauthorized access to the delivery servers.
They probably learned from the 3DS and WiiU... At least by tying an identity to the purchase and having a method to discern legitimate system based downloads from a third party/middle man.
 

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And if you don't care of online play/ getting banned ?
Maybe... your... morals will... stop you?
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And if you don't care of online play/ getting banned ?
Well the thing is, after you get banned, you won't be able to download anything else from the eShop so your first download may be your last.

On an unrelated note, this is also why Freeshop won't be as easily realizable on the Switch unless we can figure out a way to mask the downloads.
 

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I don't buy it. Both Simon and Rei have said they've been downloading regularly for months (not even using the correct user agent for most of it), and yet Shiny downloads once last summer and gets a ban now?

Also, it's well known that any kind of payment irregularity gets you a quick ban. Not saying he tried to use a stolen credit card or anything but it's far more likely to be payment related than CDN.
 

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I don't buy it. Both Simon and Rei have said they've been downloading regularly for months (not even using the correct user agent for most of it), and yet Shiny downloads once last summer and gets a ban now?

https://twitter.com/SciresM/status/998855817511165953

https://twitter.com/SciresM/status/998856455938699264

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This is the console cert I've been using for *all* CDN exploration since June of last year. I'm not surprised in the slightest, tons and tons of invalid requests have been sent from this one. I also updated the console to 5.0.1 when that released.
 

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I'm not surprised in the slightest, tons and tons of invalid requests have been sent from this one. I also updated the console to 5.0.1 when that released.

The quote I highlighted MAYBE could have something to do with it.
Now of course he got banned. It's not like he was perfectly mimicking the system and he still got caught. Whatever testing he was involved into, caught a lot of attention and Nintendo acknowledged it.

Imagine I changed the "Title Name" of a game, for example "Mario Kart 8" to "FUCK YOU NINTENDO JHAHAHA I'M PLAYING YOUR VIDYAGAMEZ", and I get banned days later from using that game online. You wouldn't say that playing roms online gets you banned, that's not exactly what happened. My actions raised a flag.
 
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It's a pity it's impossible to know the ban reason as we can only speculate at the moment. However, if we start seeing multiple people (not devs who do all sorts of weird poking, but people who just used the CDN apps) then that would be some serious evidence.
 

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I don't buy it. Both Simon and Rei have said they've been downloading regularly for months (not even using the correct user agent for most of it), and yet Shiny downloads once last summer and gets a ban now?

Also, it's well known that any kind of payment irregularity gets you a quick ban. Not saying he tried to use a stolen credit card or anything but it's far more likely to be payment related than CDN.

Or they're now starting to do log checks and purges. Older logs come first, and scires and shiny were poking at the CDN before most any one else.

I don't really understand why people want to bury their heads in the sand over CDN accountability being real with the Switch.
 
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Most people that will be banned probably don't even know it yet because a lot of people haven't updated and connected to the Internet in a while on their console. I think we'll see lots of bans coming in when CFW is released, maybe not from the CFW it's self but because people will finally update and connect online with their emuNAND.
 

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Or they're now starting to do log checks and purges. Older logs come first, and scires and shiny were poking at the CDN before most any one else.

I don't really understand why people want to bury their heads in the sand over CDN accountability being real with the Switch.
I think my post above yours should've made it obvious I wasn't burying my head. I'm more than willing to change my views on any subject once the evidence backs it up, unlike some of the propagandists that litter this forum spouting nothing but their affiliated ideology.
 

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I think my post above yours should've made it obvious I wasn't burying my head. I'm more than willing to change my views on any subject once the evidence backs it up, unlike some of the propagandists that litter this forum spouting nothing but their affiliated ideology.

Fair. My apologies on misreading your stance then.
 
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I see most people in this thread are forgetting one thing. The 3DS bans happened in a huge waves. First there were the pokemon bans, for anyone who played them online before they actually released. They all got banned at once at some point. Then there was the second wave later that banned a LOT of consoles, which also happened randomly out of nowhere. Back then people basically set on this fact: "Nintendo keeps all the logs and they eventually check them. Once they see suspicious stuff they add it to the ban list to happen during a specific Nintendo Network maintenance".
Second: "But then why people were not banned from 3DS/Wii U CDN downloads?". Simple, 3DS and Wii U had their CDN "open". You could literally download anything from it from anywhere, no authentication needed. Switch is different, when the console makes a CDN request, it attaches it's own certificate, so CDN knows which specific console it is. If that information is missing, then it will throw an error. That's why those two could get banned from it, they downloaded stuff from CDN, which required their console's unique certificate, and it's especially true in ScriesM's case, due to, as he said himself, 'tons of invalid requests'.
 
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The quote I highlighted MAYBE could have something to do with it.
Now of course he got banned. It's not like he was perfectly mimicking the system and he still got caught. Whatever testing he was involved into, caught a lot of attention and Nintendo acknowledged it.

I would trust Scires over any of those randoms.

You're not going to jump on there and, automatically, have some magical system that knows what call the algorithm is looking for. Those types of things take TESTING to see what gets sent back. So, no, none of them started out "perfectly mimicking". There is a cdn thread on here with 'safe percentages' where Scires was going back and forth with the author, letting them know it was unsafe. Said author edited many times during that conversation.

Bottom line, users are going to do what they want to do, advice given or not. It might take N to get fed up and start charging with cyber crimes before some wake up.
 

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Or they're now starting to do log checks and purges. Older logs come first, and scires and shiny were poking at the CDN before most any one else.

I don't really understand why people want to bury their heads in the sand over CDN accountability being real with the Switch.
werent you the one who said freeshop would never exist?

its weird a cdn tool just released and all of a sudden scries gets banned
i know he is against piracy
so is it pure coincidence?;

ive been downloading from cdn, am at latest firmware and am still good, so what gives?
 
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N has their fake 'news' sites/YouTube channel trolls going full force pushing their switchban agenda, giving false hope. Poor saps/masses going to feel real idiotic when those, recent, stronger weapons become widespread in Splatoon 2. Ooo, and the Pokémon and Smash games...


https://twitter.com/ShinyQuagsire/status/999080761679536128

"@ShinyQuagsire

Banning status update, another unit in our circle banned, this one didn't touch hbl but its cert messed with CDN so it probably isn't libnx errors, I guess we'll know if those end up causing bans or not at some point."
 
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werent you the one who said freeshop would never exist?

its weird a cdn tool just released and all of a sudden scries gets banned
i know he is against piracy
so is it pure coincidence?;

ive been downloading from cdn, am at latest firmware and am still good, so what gives?

CDN was happening months before the public tool release. Even the creator of one of these tools (Simon) said he was downloading from CDN months before releasing it. These guys are talented hackers, whatever they release to the public have already been used by them days or even months before the general public. Another example is the Deja Vú exploit for FW 4.x, which is something that exists only privately atm.

Downloading from CDN doesn't mean a immediate ban. Nintendo could be waiting for another banwave or there could be a lapse of time before giving a ban, or perhaps the reason that said hackers got banned was another entirely. As for now, no one can't be 100% sure...

Also, from the moment that CDN was released to the public SciresM stated that it was risky for the user. So yeah, he didn't wait for the bans to start warning us about it.
 
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