Hacking Question Are backup loaders actually necessary?

[Stellar]

Back on the 3DS and Wii U we could install signed cia/pkg files. What's the limiting factor at work now that stops us from being able to do this?

 

[smf]

Back on the 3DS and Wii U we could install signed cia/pkg files. What's the limiting factor at work now that stops us from being able to do this?

If the game is available as a digital download then you should be able to do it. You might run out of space quickly & swapping iso's in an sd card is easier.

I've not seen downloads released by any group yet, only carts. So no idea where you'll get them from.

 

[Stellar]

You'll need emunand though, or you'll run out of space.

Thanks for replying, but how is emunand going to help me with space?

 

[lilpataya]

Thanks for replying, but how is emunand going to help me with space?

You can trim the backups, and you wouldn't need to actually install them, which is way more convenient than having to sign & install them

 

[thequickbrownfox]

BBB released Yooka Laylee eShop dump.
This is useless for now. It looks like digital titles instalation will be much harder than just emulating cartridge.
It's bad, there are many good games released as digital-only...

 

[magypsy3]

BBB released Yooka Laylee eShop dump.
This is useless for now. It looks like digital titles instalation will be much harder than just emulating cartridge.
It's bad, there are many good games released as digital-only...

I'm sure TX will deliver this soon™

 

[Stellar]

It looks like digital titles instalation will be much harder than just emulating cartridge.

Do we lack keys to install things to nand?

 

[Lacius]

Our first backup loaders will load cartridge dumps primarily because it's much easier. Locally installing games similar to how it was done on the 3DS should be possible down the road.

 

[Monado_III]

Just to add on what others are saying, if you wanted to install a 20gb game, you would either have to do it wirelessly, or get an sd card bigger then 40gb as you need room for the original game+installed game which basically double the size reqs of anything you want to install.

 

[Draxzelex]

Just to add on what others are saying, if you wanted to install a 20gb game, you would either have to do it wirelessly, or get an sd card bigger then 40gb as you need room for the original game+installed game which basically double the size reqs of anything you want to install.

This is true although a lot of people have already bought SD cards at least as big as 128 GB to prepare for the inevitable piracy. If only the Switch could support external hard drives...

 

[subcon959]

This is true although a lot of people have already bought SD cards at least as big as 128 GB to prepare for the inevitable piracy. If only the Switch could support external hard drives...

Its kinda interesting. Nintendo could probably cut piracy in half by just making every game 100gb lol

 

[lilpataya]

This is true although a lot of people have already bought SD cards at least as big as 128 GB to prepare for the inevitable piracy. If only the Switch could support external hard drives...

For docked mode this would be awesome but I don't see myself playing in portable mode with a hdd or usb drive attached to it

 

[Draxzelex]

Its kinda interesting. Nintendo could probably cut piracy in half by just making every game 100gb lol

Anti-piracy: Filling every cartridge game with several GB's of Fs.

 

[senas8]

So we can’t use the internal memory to install games to .. yet.

 

[subcon959]

Anti-piracy: Filling every cartridge game with several GB's of Fs.

They kinda already do that, hence the XCI trimmer app.

 

[Draxzelex]

They kinda already do that, hence the XCI trimmer app.

But its not that many GBs is it? I haven't compared the size of trimmed vs untrimmed dumps yet (mostly because I just haven't gotten around to downloading said dumps yet)

 

[The3rdknuckles]

Backups are very much needed. I’m tired of my cartridge getting messed up for no reason.

 

[phonz]

But its not that many GBs is it? I haven't compared the size of trimmed vs untrimmed dumps yet (mostly because I just haven't gotten around to downloading said dumps yet)

depends on the game/original cart size.
ex.
Splatoon 2, with garbage data -> 3800MB (approx)
Splatoon 2 sans-garbo-input -> 2600MB (approx) XCI-Cutter reports -> 3.6GB

 

[Draxzelex]

depends on the game/original cart size.
ex.
Splatoon 2, with garbage data -> 3625MB (approx)
Splatoon 2 sans-garbo-input -> 2597MB (approx)

Interesting. What about third-party games? I've heard those are around 20 GB in size. Anybody tried untrimming those?

 

[phonz]

Interesting. What about third-party games? I've heard those are around 20 GB in size. Anybody tried untrimming those?

I can't get the XCI trimming tool to work that someone posted here though, that was just quick approximations.

I haven't really seen any super-huge XCIs. Don't some of the NSW cart's require you to download the rest of the game from the internet?

(Bayonetta 2 is normally 15.23GB, cuts to 13.07GB according to XCI-cutter)