About today’s Florida shooting

[RustInPeace]

We talk about tighter gun laws because we care about the deaths, and because we don't want more of them to happen. If we don't talk about the problematically loose restrictions after tragedies like this, they fall into the wayside and never get discussed at all.

Besides, if we wait to discuss stuff like this until there's been a period of calm, then we'll literally NEVER discuss it. It's February 14th and there's ALREADY been 18 school shootings this year

Okay but at least show the condolences then go into the debate, I expected the jousting over gun control more than people just saying they feel bad for what happened. It just comes off people want to jump into the fight without showing a bit of compassion. Or rather, jump into the fight and just be very inconsiderate about it.

And someone kind of summed up what happened, a rinse and repeat, the debate will go on, nothing will be done about it, similar to the Las Vegas massacre months ago. Coming off that, my opinion on gun control really doesn't matter in the end, I'd rather focus on grieving over those who were personally affected by the tragedy.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

tighter gun laws are not gonna stop the black market lmao. We just need a better mental health system and tests for children.

We definitely need both

 

[the_randomizer]

We definitely need both

Assuming both sides will stop their bitching and moaning and agree on something for a change.

 

[Plstic]

We definitely need both

Like I said, tighter gun laws will not really affect the black market. There are too many undocumented guns spread around to make a significant impact.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

Like I said, tighter gun laws will not really affect the black market. There are too many undocumented guns spread around to make a significant impact.

Fair enough, but not everyone has access to the black market. It'd dumb to expect those guns will disappear if we ban them but there'll be less going around.

 

[Navonod]

Assuming both sides will stop their bitching and moaning and agree on something for a change.

That wont happen because everyone wants their way or nothing at all.

 

[the_randomizer]

Like I said, tighter gun laws will not really affect the black market. There are too many undocumented guns spread around to make a significant impact.

So what do you suggest, that more and more shootings occur and we sit back twiddling our thumbs and just say "lol okay"?

That wont happen because everyone wants their way or nothing at all.

And why no one should have faith in the government

 

[TotalInsanity4]

And someone kind of summed up what happened, a rinse and repeat, the debate will go on, nothing will be done about it, similar to the Las Vegas massacre months ago. Coming off that, my opinion on gun control really doesn't matter in the end, I'd rather focus on grieving over those who were personally affected by the tragedy.

I guess I'm just still optimistic that maybe, just maybe, something will eventually change to prevent this in the future.

I do want to make it clear, though, that I obviously feel for everyone involved in this tragedy. I watched a Snapchat video that a student recorded of the gunner trying to shoot his way through a door into their classroom, and it almost made me sick to my stomach. Seeing something real like that carries a lot more weight than actors shooting blanks at each other on TV, or any gun safety demonstration with targets.

That said, though, I don't feel that it's my place to offer condolences to the people affected. I don't personally know anyone who was involved in the shooting, and to mourn or worry over any of them feels like I'm mocking their situation. Instead, I would rather look forward as to how future tragedies like this might be prevented, which is something that no one with the power to change the respective laws seems to want to do.

 

[WiiUBricker]

We already have that law. A mentally ill or impaired person is prohibited by federal law from purchasing or possessing firearms or ammo. Same goes for felons, drug addicts, illegal aliens, domestic violence offenders. They're all banned from having guns, already.

The issue is not whether a mentally ill person is prohibited to purchase guns, it’s the fact that you CAN purchase guns in the first place. Again, lifes could have been spared if that person, for example, had a knife instead of a gun. Those people who died could have defended themselves instead of hopelessly being shot to death. Try to justify your pro-gun view to the killed.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Fair enough, but not everyone has access to the black market. It'd dumb to expect those guns will disappear if we ban them but there'll be less going around.

Like I said, tighter gun laws will not really affect the black market. There are too many undocumented guns spread around to make a significant impact.

That, and, with a gun buyback program and decommissioning possessed guns (crime evidence, confiscated, etc.), you significantly reduce the amount available, period

 

[Navonod]

The issue is not whether a mentally ill person is prohibited to purchase guns, it’s the fact that you CAN purchase guns in the first place. Again, lifes could have been spared if that person, for example, had a knife instead of a gun. Those people who died could have defended themselves instead of hopelessly being shot to death. Try to justify your pro-gun view to the killed.

If Teachers were gun trained then they could have defended their class/school.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

If Teachers were gun trained then they could have defended their class/school.

If the shooter was required to pass a training and education course to receive the gun, the shooting most likely wouldn't have happened at all

 

[RustInPeace]

That said, though, I don't feel that it's my place to offer condolences to the people affected. I don't personally know anyone who was involved in the shooting, and to mourn or worry over any of them feels like I'm mocking their situation.

That's mocking to you? In comparison, already on 4chan I've seen a picture of what looks to be a dead body from the incident today and people making light of that. That's mocking, that's also classic 4chan.

 

[Hanafuda]

The issue is not whether a mentally ill person is prohibited to purchase guns, it’s the fact that you CAN purchase guns in the first place. Again, lifes could have been spared if that person, for example, had a knife instead of a gun. Those people who died could have defended themselves instead of hopelessly being shot to death. Try to justify your pro-gun view to the killed.

That's what I thought. You said you wanted laws to keep crazy people from getting guns. What you really meant is you want laws to keep everyone from getting guns.

The only downside to a society like that is that the weaker people in the population ... handicapped, elderly, females, etc., would have no way of defending themselves against criminal thuggery, burglaries, rapists. The strong would always win the fight. Pepper spray ain't gonna cut it against the segment of society who won't give a shit about your gun ban. You think all those murders in Chicago, NY, New Orleans, WashDC, and etc. are committed with legally owned firearms?!?

If the shooter was required to pass a training and education course to receive the gun, the shooting most likely wouldn't have happened at all

This I agree with 100%. That training and education course should be a mandatory part of the public school curriculum for HS graduation. Everyone should have a basic understanding of firearm safety. I learned from my father and then the Boy Scouts on a proper rifle range, but not everyone gets access to programs like that.

 

[the_randomizer]

That's mocking to you? In comparison, already on 4chan I've seen a picture of what looks to be a dead body from the incident today and people making light of that. That's mocking, that's also classic 4chan.

I hope 4chan's server all get DDOSed, their owners doxxed and then permanently shut down. That place is a hellhole and an abortive part of the internet.

 

[Navonod]

If the shooter was required to pass a training and education course to receive the gun, the shooting most likely wouldn't have happened at all

Even then the shooter bought a gun from some other guy on some website. As far as I know. But I do agree we should have a course on guns and have a license to carry one.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

That's mocking to you? In comparison, already on 4chan I've seen a picture of what looks to be a dead body from the incident today and people making light of that. That's mocking, that's also classic 4chan.

I understand what you're saying, but have you, for instance, had a family member (or pet, or friend...) die, and had a bunch of people you barely (or maybe don't even!) know come up to you expressly to say "I'm sorry for your loss"? That's what stuff like this feels like to me, but on a much amplified scale. I feel the need for somber reflection and understanding, but I don't want to publicly say things that are not my place to say

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Even then the shooter bought a gun from some other guy on some website.

Ah, the "gun show loophole." There's another piece of scummy legislature that needs to be fixed five years ago

 

[Hanafuda]

Ah, the "gun show loophole." There's another piece of scummy legislature that needs to be fixed five years ago

What is this 'loophole?'

 

[Kioku]

The issue is not whether a mentally ill person is prohibited to purchase guns, it’s the fact that you CAN purchase guns in the first place. Again, lifes could have been spared if that person, for example, had a knife instead of a gun. Those people who died could have defended themselves instead of hopelessly being shot to death. Try to justify your pro-gun view to the killed.

Try to justify the fact that gun laws don't make the problem better. If someone wants to kill, they will. Talking about taking away a form of defense due to a crudely ignorant stance is fuel for the fire. The issue isn't "guns". Guns don't kill people. People kill people. "b-b-but they'll have to use a different weapon".. They'll still be using a fucking weapon. Even one life would be all it takes to fulfill his twisted desires. He's a mental case that went ignored for way too long.

Of course the easiest thing to blame is the non-issue. That's all people look at. That'll be the major point. "Why did he have a gun and how did he get it?" Not "How did he become so mentally ill and what can we do to help those in trouble?"

 

[Navonod]

I understand what you're saying, but have you, for instance, had a family member (or pet, or friend...) die, and had a bunch of people you barely (or maybe don't even!) know come up to you expressly to say "I'm sorry for your loss"? That's what stuff like this feels like to me, but on a much amplified scale. I feel the need for somber reflection and understanding, but I don't want to publicly say things that are not my place to say

I try to put myself in their shoes but I feel no emotion for the victims. It sucks to lose a loved one. My grandpa passed a few years ago and it sucks. But I don't expect a stranger to mourn my grandpa not knowing who he was. Yes the thoughts and prayers are nice but in those times I'd just like to grief for a few days then move on. Then people can talk to me about it.