Hardware Possible 4K Switch dock addon. Your thoughts about this?

[Jayro]

Even if Nintendo makes it, and it flops, those of us who have them win. Rare and obscure failed Nintendo hardware usually bounces back as a bastardly relic to be worth money eventually. Look at the VirtualBoy. Tons of interest in it now, and even new homebrew games coming out for it. Very exciting stuff!

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It also depends on the game. Forza 7, for example, requires a 100GB download for 4K upgrade.

I'm angry at the lack of game compression these days, with bandwidth limitations still being a thing, and console harddrives still being very small.

 

[daniel26150]

Maybe the new switch will be capable of that but don't think about it and 4k is a gimmick every one is falling for expect to fall in 8k in the next years. 1080p is fine

 

[Biduleman]

Even if Nintendo makes it, and it flops, those of us who have them win. Rare and obscure failed Nintendo hardware usually bounces back as a bastardly relic to be worth money eventually. Look at the VirtualBoy. Tons of interest in it now, and even new homebrew games coming out for it. Very exciting stuff!

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I'm angry at the lack of game compression these days, with bandwidth limitations still being a thing, and console harddrives still being very small.

The POINT of 4k textures is to have a great quality, compressing them would undermine the usefulness of 4k.

For the same quality, a 4k texture is literally 4 times a 1080p texture. So games WILL be way bigger when considering that assets take more places than the code.

 

[Jayro]

The POINT of 4k textures is to have a great quality, compressing them would undermine the usefulness of 4k.

For the same quality, a 4k texture is literally 4 times a 1080p texture. So games WILL be way bigger when considering that assets take more places than the code.

I obviously mean lossless compression, along the lines of 7zip and the like. Load times will suffer, but who cares? I'd rather have longer load times and smaller files.

 

[Exaltys]

Does anyone really care about 4K anything right now?

 

[TheCyberQuake]

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Tapatalk said my comment didn't post, but it did so double post -_-

 

[TheCyberQuake]

I obviously mean lossless compression, along the lines of 7zip and the like. Load times will suffer, but who cares? I'd rather have longer load times and smaller files.

That type of compression won't make enough of a difference to really matter. So no the files will still be too huge for switch storage without lossy compression

 

[Jayro]

That type of compression won't make enough of a difference to really matter. So no the files will still be too huge for switch storage without lossy compression

PNG files can be shrunken considerably with LZMA2 compression, if you weren't aware. Not sure what proprietary game files the game asset graphics use, but I assure you they can be compressed quite a bit. Saving a few GB at least.

 

[Kigiru]

Switch Dock is a flawed piece of technology, and instead of giving it add-ons with 4K it just need a major redesign.

 

[Futurdreamz]

PNG files can be shrunken considerably with LZMA2 compression, if you weren't aware. Not sure what proprietary game files the game asset graphics use, but I assure you they can be compressed quite a bit. Saving a few GB at least.

You have to realize you're grasping at straws. LZMA2 is a dictionary compression, which requires a considerable amount of storage space

Plus, your link have a 7-Zip reference decompression speed of 10-20 MB/s on a 2 GHz CPU, meaning that to fill an 8GB GPU requires about 6 whole minutes dedicated solely to decompressing, and decompressing on the fly would have significant in-game impacts.

It'd be a lot easier to just shove a 2.5" HDD caddy into this theoretical GPU dock and download all 4k assets straight to it and leave the SD card free for assets used in portable mode.

 

[aofelix]

can't see a point in nintendo doing this. dont rly know who they will be marketting that dock towards. the uptake for it as a single unit will be very low.

with the switch selling as it is, i think they'll make more money out of a switch v1.1 in a few years time than this dock.

probably their next console MIGHT have a dock which actually does something.

 

[erikas]

Now i'm not an expert and i love usb-c, but honestly, how would this work? Just google all the problems that SLI setups have and just how many connections they need. If they were to ever make this dock, it would be more of a standalone console than a dock.

 

[Shadd]

It also depends on the game. Forza 7, for example, requires a 100GB download for 4K upgrade.

Not exactly the game, but how the textures are handled. Basically how they were made since not all textures used the exact same type of file structure.

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Now i'm not an expert and i love usb-c, but honestly, how would this work? Just google all the problems that SLI setups have and just how many connections they need. If they were to ever make this dock, it would be more of a standalone console than a dock.

Those are because people setting up their SLI's have different issues because all computers aren't built the same nor have the same Windows settings (since most of them have windows). When it's a console, usually everything is set up almost perfectly (other than malfunctions or non-working parts).

 

[dpad_5678]

Maybe the new switch will be capable of that but don't think about it and 4k is a gimmick every one is falling for expect to fall in 8k in the next years. 1080p is fine

4k really is just useful for cringey 13 year olds to brag that they have a "4k monitor and get 4000+ FPS in every game".
It's nothing impressive and, like you said, 1080p is just fine.

 

[Shadd]

4k really is just useful for cringey 13 year olds to brag that they have a "4k monitor and get 4000+ FPS in every game".
It's nothing impressive and, like you said, 1080p is just fine.

4K looks fantastic even for the less demanding players. It would improve visuals, performance and would be able to hold more things such as (enemies or dropped items). Even if you don't own a 4K TV, 4K still looks really nice on it, especially if in the future the Switch adds in other content such as YouTube or Netflix on it. For example, my computer's monitor is 720p and I can see 4K like if it was the real thing.

 

[Deleted-379826]

This thread is honestly pure gold. It baffles me how you think a mere 1060 can even give a playable experience in 4k anyway.
Side note: 1060s don't come in 8GB flavours lol.

 

[jt_1258]

Ninty was the one that said the market is not ready for the 4k push so don't expect it, I am fine with 1080p myself

 

[DarthDub]

This thread is honestly pure gold. It baffles me how you think a mere 1060 can even give a playable experience in 4k anyway.
Side note: 1060s don't come in 8GB flavours lol.

Nah fam, I want 8k on the Switch!

 

[Pippin666]

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[Treeko]

people fail to realise the real bottleneck for the switch in the future will be that measly ARM A57 Quad core Cpu, which is outdated even by todays standards in the mobile market, the switch will absolutely recieve a "New" 3DS treatment, the console has been designed that way, the base switch has design flaws aswell, people should expect a Switchi with Nvidia X2, more ram, newer ARM cpu cores, and redesigned joycons that don't break themselves, 4K is a long ways off with nintendo, expect them to try to catch up with the competition next generation.