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You also stated that you are using Gateway. So it seems you really enjoy being out of date and with poor security.

Or, I search for, convert, and contribute cheats under another name for the community and Gateway is BY FAR my favorite way to do this. I'm also VERY aware of the risk vectors and how to remediate them. Then again, so long as you're not updating all willy-nilly, there's not really an issue with Gateway is there? If only someone advocated such a position. But 95% of my time is spent on B9S, and for good reason - it's the best option right now. So it's not as if I'm advocating Gateway as a primary CFW option - only when needed.
 
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Or, I search for, convert, and contribute cheats under another name for the community and Gateway is BY FAR my favorite way to do this. I'm also VERY aware of the risk vectors and how to remediate them. Then again, so long as you're not updating all willy-nilly, there's not really an issue with Gateway is there? If only someone advocated such a position.
So trying to get this back on topic and try to relate this back to the topic. The issue with remaining out of date still doesn't make much sense.
If you are doing it because there might be risks with the current OFW, simply search out the risks. In most cases, those are fixed only a few hours after release. The entire idea of just clinging to an outdated OFW because older tools doesn't really hold up at this point. If the tool was necessary, someone will either update or fork it, but tools do start to get outdated over time. Games are slowly adding new methods to block out older OFWs and even older CFWs. Ever Oasis for example is known to bootloop with older versions of Luma3DS. Or games like Animal crossing adding an update that made the game have an OFW requirement. These kinds of issues have effected users in the past and even pushed a good chunk of them to update.
No one ever suggests updating willy-nilly, that's stupid even when dealing with non-hacked systems. Nintendo doesn't have transparent updates, which means they could adding anything to those updates and the enduser will never know until they update. This kind of blind updating has always been extremely frowned upon and discouraged by the community. Of course as time goes on and more testing/research is done, the issues get fixed. There has become far less reasons to stay on an older OFW, when CFWs have fixed the issues brought up with it, plus other benefits. Such as online support without a hassle, future-proofing possible requirements introduced in later games, etc.
 
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There has become far less reasons to stay on an older OFW, when CFWs have fixed the issues brought up with it, plus other benefits. Such as online support without a hassle, future-proofing possible requirements introduced in later games, etc.

As a general rule, on this count, we mostly agree. There's a reason I'm on 11.2 and not, for example, 9.2 and that's additional features and the inevitable requirement for forced updates. The ONLY point of my post, was to highlight the need for asking "What do I gain from updating, and is this enough value proposition for doing so?". You're right, in that the gap is closing VERY quickly as CFW advances. The upgrade to B9S was necessitated by the acceleration of developer adoption, and thus, I moved from A9LH to B9S once 1.2 was released and more relative maturity reached. Should a future Ninty update start creating a threshold necessitating forced updates to run, or offers features that warrant the effort required to update, I'm more than happy to do so. The same potential for downgrades I also consider as part of the equation. It wasn't that long ago that I had to downgrade my other N3DS (which I use for update testing, daughter runs it) from 11.3 after waiting a bit because of the Zelda and Gateway issues (I've got this on 11.4 btw, mostly for testing).

That said, it's my belief that we need to be careful with how we use words like "necessary", especially in forums used more and more for less experienced users. I didn't go through all of this to soapbox or preach, or because I think Nintendo consoles are serious business. I only wanted to offer a point of view as someone who's been on this train for a long time, and I don't just mean this console. I've been tinkering with my shit for 40 years now and understand the pains of early adoption. It's fun...unless you don't know how to get yourself out of it, which is why I generally advocate moving glacially if you're a novice user. Just my 2 cents, and my last post on this topic.

As an aside, I very much appreciate the tone of this post. Candor is fine, and for my part, I apologize for the snark of my previous posts, and hope that feeling is reciprocated. Hopefully, in the end, we can both realize we're simply trying to help the person in this thread.
 

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As a general rule, on this count, we mostly agree. There's a reason I'm on 11.2 and not, for example, 9.2 and that's additional features and the inevitable requirement for forced updates. The ONLY point of my post, was to highlight the need for asking "What do I gain from updating, and is this enough value proposition for doing so?". You're right, in that the gap is closing VERY quickly as CFW advances. The upgrade to B9S was necessitated by the acceleration of developer adoption, and thus, I moved from A9LH to B9S once 1.2 was released and more relative maturity reached. Should a future Ninty update start creating a threshold necessitating forced updates to run, or offers features that warrant the effort required to update, I'm more than happy to do so. The same potential for downgrades I also consider as part of the equation. It wasn't that long ago that I had to downgrade my other N3DS (which I use for update testing, daughter runs it) from 11.3 after waiting a bit because of the Zelda and Gateway issues (I've got this on 11.4 btw, mostly for testing).

That said, it's my belief that we need to be careful with how we use words like "necessary", especially in forums used more and more for less experienced users. I didn't go through all of this to soapbox or preach, or because I think Nintendo consoles are serious business. I only wanted to offer a point of view as someone who's been on this train for a long time, and I don't just mean this console. I've been tinkering with my shit for 40 years now and understand the pains of early adoption. It's fun...unless you don't know how to get yourself out of it, which is why I generally advocate moving glacially if you're a novice user. Just my 2 cents, and my last post on this topic.

As an aside, I very much appreciate the tone of this post. Candor is fine, and for my part, I apologize for the snark of my previous posts, and hope that feeling is reciprocated. Hopefully, in the end, we can both realize we're simply trying to help the person in this thread.
What a great ending! Now I can sleep in happiness!
 

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As a general rule, on this count, we mostly agree. There's a reason I'm on 11.2 and not, for example, 9.2 and that's additional features and the inevitable requirement for forced updates. The ONLY point of my post, was to highlight the need for asking "What do I gain from updating, and is this enough value proposition for doing so?". You're right, in that the gap is closing VERY quickly as CFW advances. The upgrade to B9S was necessitated by the acceleration of developer adoption, and thus, I moved from A9LH to B9S once 1.2 was released and more relative maturity reached. Should a future Ninty update start creating a threshold necessitating forced updates to run, or offers features that warrant the effort required to update, I'm more than happy to do so. The same potential for downgrades I also consider as part of the equation. It wasn't that long ago that I had to downgrade my other N3DS (which I use for update testing, daughter runs it) from 11.3 after waiting a bit because of the Zelda and Gateway issues (I've got this on 11.4 btw, mostly for testing).

That said, it's my belief that we need to be careful with how we use words like "necessary", especially in forums used more and more for less experienced users. I didn't go through all of this to soapbox or preach, or because I think Nintendo consoles are serious business. I only wanted to offer a point of view as someone who's been on this train for a long time, and I don't just mean this console. I've been tinkering with my shit for 40 years now and understand the pains of early adoption. It's fun...unless you don't know how to get yourself out of it, which is why I generally advocate moving glacially if you're a novice user. Just my 2 cents, and my last post on this topic.

As an aside, I very much appreciate the tone of this post. Candor is fine, and for my part, I apologize for the snark of my previous posts, and hope that feeling is reciprocated. Hopefully, in the end, we can both realize we're simply trying to help the person in this thread.
I would also like to apologize for my snarky post.
Although I can't say there is a perfect reason to update, there's also no reason for the standard user to remain on older OFW once everything been fixed.
Personally my views are rather bias at times. I am a tester, so my systems are required to updated in order to properly help the devs. Thus when issues are tested, fixed, and pushed, I am very much in favor of encouraging users to update.
 
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Only update after you install b9s and luma.You need b9s so you can run the luma patches on the latest firmware currently being 11.4.
 

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Lol, TubeHax DNS. I am on 11.2 with B9S+Luma, and I keep my console's wireless off 99.9% of the time. Since after the banwave, I have turned my wireless on to play Smash 4 For Glory a few times, and I have not been banned. I have confirmed that Nintendo can auto-download the nagware ONLY when the system is idle. Even if the nagware did somehow download, FBI can be used to delete the nagware.
 

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From what I understood, there's a higher chance getting banned while playing online on 11.4? Because I have updated to 11.4 after installing luma and b9s and I kinda wanna play online on some games like Mario Kart and Smash Bros.
 

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From what I understood, there's a higher chance getting banned while playing online on 11.4? Because I have updated to 11.4 after installing luma and b9s and I kinda wanna play online on some games like Mario Kart and Smash Bros.
Being on 11.4 did not appear to increase one's odds of being banned during the May 2017 banwave.
 
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Okay. Are the odds of being banned playing online high though?
There hasn't been a banwave since May, and we have no idea if/when another banwave will occur. That being said, you should takes these steps to minimize the risk of being banned:
There have been reports of a wave of bans being handed out to CFW users by Nintendo. To protect yourself, please do the following steps before starting this guide:
  1. Go to System Settings, then “Internet Settings”, then “SpotPass”, then “Sending of System Information”
  2. Disable the “Sending of System Information” option
  3. Exit the System Settings
  4. Go to your Friend’s List (the Face Icon in the top row of your Home Menu)
    • If you receive an error and are kicked out of the menu, the Friend’s List setting is already disabled
  5. Go to the Friend’s List settings, then “Friend Notification Settings”, then “Show friends what you’re playing”
  6. Disable the “Show friends what you’re playing” option
  7. Exit your Friend’s List
If you want to be extra paranoid, you should keep the 3DS wireless turned off when you're not actively using it.
 
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There hasn't been a banwave since May, and we have no idea if/when another banwave will occur. That being said, you should takes these steps to minimize the risk of being banned:

If you want to be extra paranoid, you should keep the 3DS wireless turned off when you're not actively using it.
Ah, I have done these steps before. How often were the ban waves happening before May's banwave?
 

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Ah, I have done these steps before. How often were the ban waves happening before May's banwave?
The May banwave is the only CFW banwave that's ever happened, so the answer to your question is never. All other bans before that were for other reasons (cheating online, using public headers on Sky3DS online, playing Sun/Moon online before the release date, etc.).
 
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I have read somewhere that since 11.4, the newest firmware is required for online services, so updating to 11.4 may require you to update to 11.5 (if that ever is released) to continue to use online functionality. while if you remain on 11.3 or lower, you can continue to use online services without being on the latest firmware. is this true?
 

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I have read somewhere that since 11.4, the newest firmware is required for online services, so updating to 11.4 may require you to update to 11.5 (if that ever is released) to continue to use online functionality. while if you remain on 11.3 or lower, you can continue to use online services without being on the latest firmware. is this true?
Yes. A program called ctr-httpwn bypasses the update nag when going online to the eShop and other places. However, 11.4 patched ctr-httpwn so the exploit no longer works. If 11.5 ever gets released, you will have to update to use online features since ctr-httpwn was patched, while if you stay on 11.3 and don't update to 11.4, you can continue to use ctr-httpwn.
 
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I have read somewhere that since 11.4, the newest firmware is required for online services, so updating to 11.4 may require you to update to 11.5 (if that ever is released) to continue to use online functionality. while if you remain on 11.3 or lower, you can continue to use online services without being on the latest firmware. is this true?
You can downgrade to 11.3 at any time, so it's not really an issue. If you want to play online but not update to 11.5 for any reason, just downgrade instead.
 

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